Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: frassettor on September 23, 2007, 09:19:00 AM
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I have not taken a deer with traditional gear yet but am hopeful to this year. I try to pick the smallest spot I can on anything I want to shoot at, but seems that if I concentrate on it for 30 seconds or so my eyes start bugging out. Then I will blink and refocus on a spot. Does this happen to any of you? I dont know if Im concetrating to long (before I let the arrow fly) or why this happens. :banghead:
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I don't think you need to concentrating on it for 30 seconds, just atill you commit to the shot,...meaning yeah, you should be 'looking' at where you want to hit, but don't start concentrating till the string starts coming back.
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If you can hold steady the poundage you are shooting for 30 seconds I would go up in bow weight.
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I agree with Terry. The ability to concentrate on a spot you want to hit on a live animal can be difficult at first. The tendency is to shoot at the whole deer instead of just a spot on the deer. Over time though, it becomes easier.
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For me, I'll "pick my spot/hair/shadow/etc...", just before I start to draw...draw...and it's gone....still concentrating on the spot till the arrow hits...I believe that's the key to killing critters. The ability to focus thru the shot and not "peek"....
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Terry, Is it easy to find a spot that quickly? I just dont want to rush the shot and shoot at the whole animal instead of a spot.
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I must be blind because I always hear of people PICKING A HAIR to hit then find out that they took a twenty yard shot.
Heck at 10 yards I have to shoot at a PATCH OF HAIR.
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Im no expert but you can do a little excersize all year that will help you in picking a spot. Whenever you look at something, let's say a picture on your wall, you'll notice the main subject. Maybe it's a house. Practice looking 'into' the house. Focus on a window that's on the house. If it's a big window, focus on the point where the window panes meet or even an object inside the house. After a while, you'll find yourself picking many objects apart. Always focus on something within the object itself. You'll find yourself being able to concentrate on a smaller spot, therefore zeroing in on that spot. At longer distances, it's harder to hold focus on a spot as long, but practice helps alot.
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When a animal gets into my shooting zone (<20 yds) I have already made up my mind weather or not I'm going to shoot. No more looking at horns or wondering about taxidermy costs or how good the meat is going to taste. I am locked onto that little crease behind the shoulder. Drawing aiming and releasing all just seems to happen. Good luck and have FUN. That is the reason we do this.
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Bodork's exercise sounds excellent to me. Trad shooting doesn't just happen around hunting season. It is a year long, year after year, thing. What Kctreeman says is also correct. A true trad shooter shouldn't have to worry about the shot, except where it is going. Everything else is subconsciously mechanical.
If you will study a deers anatomy, you will see where the arrow should go. Shoot for the off side foreleg. Pat
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I try to think of pointing at the spot with my index finger knuckle (sometimes I do it with my index finger itself) it helps me concentrate. Concentration or focus(along with lots of practice) is the key to instinctive shooting, but you shouldn't have to concentrate on a spot for 30 seconds. I pick a spot, focus on it, draw, focus a little harder, and then release all in a couple of seconds. Along with Bodorks suggestion maybe you could try shooting at moving targets.Moving targets (imo) help you to concentrate and don't give you time to second guess yourself.
Also, I have found that the old adage "aim small miss small" is right on the money. Now, if I could just remember that on every shot. I don't know if you have watched the DVD "Masters Of The Barebow" , but Dean Torges said something in the bonus section at the end with all the bloopers and such. He said iirc " lets see how close I can get to that spot without hitting it" that was really profound if you think about it.
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The real skill to picking a spot is in recognizing when and how your shot will come. If you don't see the shot coming, you're playing catch up to find your spot, focus, get the bow up, and get the shot off. You're a lot less likely to pick a spot if you're trying to find one when you should be shooting.
When you see an animal, look at where it's going, not where it is. Prepare for the shot that's coming. You should know where your spot is before you start focusing on it. It takes a split second to shift your vision from the animal to the spot and just a second or two more of concentration until your arrow is through the other side. That's all you need to make the shot.
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I practice picking spots on a year round basis.
Driving down the road and see a sign- pick a number or letter and focus on that particular item. If the number or letter has a "hole" in it- even better. Following a car- try to focus on the little tag on the plate. Just do it for a few seconds and it will be a habit. On game animals, I only concentrate just prior to the shot and through the shot.
Good luck
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Just the fact that when the deer gets into range your thinking and looking for that spot will carry you through. if you see the deer and are thinking about "not missing" or anything else you'll more than likely shoot at the whole kill area or animal and probably miss.
Ron
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Just pull it back and let it go! You'll miss your first one over the back anyway. :) I sure had my share of "the top of the back zone".
Shooting at 3D targets helps out alot. If you can pick your spot on a target, you'll be able to do the same thing on a live animal as long as you can control the "buck fever". :)
I read a book once where the author recommended imagining a one inch button over the spot where you wanted your arrow to hit. Seems to me that he even toted the button around in his pocket, took it out and looked at it often. Give it a try. What have ya got to lose?
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i try and look through the deer where i want to hit it just take your time and it will fall in to place :thumbsup:
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30 seconds is a long time too concentrate. Try 3...Van
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I use to have a problem picking a spot. I could get my arrow into the vitals but not always in the best place mostly due to the angle of the game. What helped me most was looking at where the arrow should exit. Once I started doing this my placement of the arrow improved.
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Im a pretty fast shooter. And i am deadly at my target with painted on blue dot. Now my 3d target is different. i cant pick a spot as well.
Last month while antelope hunting i missed a doe.
I competely fell apart. I tried to sight down the arrow, drew to the wrong point, had my bow in a death grip, and so on. I couldnt understand it. I did everything wrong.
The next antelope that headed my way (which was 150 yrds) I was already going through my list. Hand Grip Loose, thumb down --- check.
Split finger, --- Check
Chest toward target --- Check
Plenty of room to draw --- check
Only problem was the antelope only got to about 60 yrds.
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There is a downside to picking a spot and that is you can be so anxious to see that you hit the deer you alter your shot. Kind of like lifting the head in golf.
I look where I want to hit use solid mechanics and the arrow is off. You can really screw up the fundamentals if you try to get a peek.
Paul
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I try to pick an imaginary spot where I want the arrow to exit. Sounds strange, I know, but it works for me. A hunting shot should not take more than 3 or 4 seconds, depending upon how fast you draw.
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What seems to work for me and helped my kill ratio is as soon as I see a deer I am telling myself silently(pick a spot-follow through)repeating it the whole time until I make the shot.This has helped me a lot kinda makes me get ready and not worry about the deer as much.Kip
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What always works for me is to only shoot animals that have spots on them:) Seriously, the best black bear I have shot to date had a piece of gray lichen right behind the shoulder in the 10 ring. Made a great shot on him.
I always try to look for something in the kill area that catches my eye; a crease, tuft of hair, burr, etc. Picking a spot on a blank canvas of hide can sometimes be diffucult(especially in low light conditions). Good luck.