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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Seeking Trad Deer on January 22, 2007, 09:47:00 AM
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Has anyone used these shafts. I shoot Axis out of one of my bows and these seem like they would be basically the same but a little heavier. Anybody know a business that would sell these in a test kit or just a couple to try out. I would like a 500 and 400 shaft. I prefer someone other than 3Rivers. Any input on these shafts as compared to Axis or where a guy could just buy a couple to try would be appreciated.
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I will send Bob an email. Any other input is appreciated...thank you.
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3 Rivers sells them, as well as selling different test kits...a call might get you a test kit of the MFX.
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Kustom King sells them by the half dozen.
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Thanks for the Custom King info. I don't have their catalog but I'll look em up on the web. Does anyone out there use these shafts?
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here is the link, have used the fmj and axis, shoot well. The mfx is a heavier shaft but since my point weight is so high going to the mfx would take me over 800 gr.
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here is the link, have used the fmj and axis, shoot well. The mfx is a heavier shaft (all made by easton) but since my point weight is so high going to the mfx would take me over 800 gr.
http://www.kustom-king.com/
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I just started using them for 3D out of a Barta Bow I had to adust the nock hieght and play with tip weight but I have some 30" 500's flying like darts. I still have to shoot wood to hunt though.
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I use both the Axis 400 and Beman MFX 400 and other than a little more (slight) drop in trajectory, I don't notice any difference in the arrows. I think there's about 30 grains difference for me in a 29.5 inch arrow.
P.S.-I get mine through Kustom King. If you order on-line, you get a 5% discount.
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I shoot the MFX Classic 400's and love em. I just drive 10 minutes to Lancaster Archery for mine!
Lee
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What spine for:
52# recurve with 29.50" arrow and 200-225 grain broadheads.
60# recurve with 29.50" arrow and 200-250 grain broadheads.
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S.T.D,
When bareshafting out of the same bow, my Axis shafts ended up 1/4" longer than my MFX Classics out of the same bow.
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My arrows are cut 29.5" to the back of point. I'm shooting a 60#, high performance R/D longbow with 450+ string and drawing abotu 29". I use the 400 size in both with a 200 grain point.
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Steve, I am assuming your results indicate the the Axis is a bit more stiff than the Beman. Am I thinking correctly? Which of the bareshafting techniques are you using...Adcocks?
Thanks everyone for your input thus far...
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For that batch, yep. 1/4 inch is not much for sure. I just keep cutting them till they show slightly stiff and double check with broadheads.
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Ray, is the point weight 200 grain total? ie. with or without the insert?
Steve interesting that the Axis proved stiffer but are lighter than the MFX.
STD I would think the 400's would work well.
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My dad shoots the 340's from his 65# recurve. With a little tuning they are flying amazing. We shot them through a chrono just for giggles and at over 180fps and a nearly 630 gr arrow his kinetic energy is pretty impressive if you ask me. That and the flat trajectory is very comforting to him since he just made the switch a year ago to traditional from the wheels.
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I added them to my lineup last year after testing them. I used hot melt glue to bare shaft tune them using the Adcock method. Seems I ended up leaving them (400's) longer than my Gold Tip 5575's out of my 55# longbow. I don't like the fact that the HIT inserts make bare shaft tuning more difficult.
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Larry...I am with you on the tuning difficulties inherent in the HIT inserts. I find carbon is much more picky than aluminums to tune even without the HIT issue. Is Lost Nation selling these arrows by the 1/2 dozen or some type of Test Kits? How much longer than your draw are you Axis arrows?
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Guys, you could glue them in tight and cut them from the back...
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Originally posted by Steve O:
For that batch, yep. 1/4 inch is not much for sure. I just keep cutting them till they show slightly stiff and double check with broadheads.
I thought OL's method calls for bare shafting till they are just slightly weak? ...I've been having trouble getting 500 Axis to bare shaft well compared to CX arrows....Maybe I should try that.
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Katman,
I'm using the 200 grain points and standard aluminum insert supplied with the shaft, which I believe is somewhere around 15-20 grains.
I suppose for more versatility, you could use a 100 grain brass insert and a 125 grain point and be close to the 215 or so that I have up front. If you were dropping down in bow weight, you could then add a 200 grain point and weaken the spine considerably.
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Standard aluminum insert is 16 gr. Adding a 100 gr. brass insert isn't exactly like adding 100 gr. of point weight. The brass insert is longer than the standard insert, which will slightly stiffen the shaft, and the extra point weight at the very end of the shaft will tend to weaken spine. Go with whichever combo you want, but be very careful with cutting the bareshaft to tune. A little goes a long way.
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Norb,
I start out with the point weight I want so I HAVE to start out weak and cut to stiffen. I'm not exactly 100% sure of OL's technique, but I believe he and Bob Morrison state you need just slightly stiff to account for the fletching which will ACT to weaken the spine. Mine fly pretty good with broadheads, but I may just be getting lucky.
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I just recently bought some MFX's. To tune them I've been screwing a field point in the insert and placing it in the arrow. When retrieving the arrow from the ol' Block target I have. I push it all the way through 'til I can take the point and insert out w/o losing it in the target. That way I can tune with bare and fletched shafts per Adcocks method by still being able to cut the front of the shaft.
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Steve,
I do it the same way but OL's method says to cut to stiffen until the shaft is showing slightly weaker than the fletched shafts because broadheads tend to stiffen them. Who know? I can't get these microdiameter shafts to fly well no matter what I do! :banghead:
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Are you guys who are adjusting the length to get to tune right using a high speed arrow cutter? I don't have this type of equipment so I guess I have to find me someone who will just sell me a couple of different lengths or try to figure out the point weight for tuning. Sure is much easier for me to tune aluminum Beachbowbender also.
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Mike,
You can pick one up thru Harbor Freight:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42307
They are often under $20
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Steve...wow...only $24 for one of these...I should have got one a long time ago. I even have a Harbor Freight store nearby. Does the model you show do carbon safetly?
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I shoot the Axis 500 @29 1/2 out of my 50# bow with 170 or 200 grain points. The Beman at 400 spine would be heavier as a shaft which is what I am seeking. I don't like that my arrows although having a decent FOC are only 450 grains. Not sure if I could push the 400's to be weak spined enough to fly right out of my 50# bow. My Fedora's seem to favor spine on the weak side for some reason.
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Seems OK to me...it is super duper high speed and I haven't noticed any fragments. I hit them on a G5 ASD to make sure they are square.
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Ray, I was curious as to your total point weight on a 400 as I am working a 340 up on a 55# recurve, looking at maybe 350 up front, arrow may end up about 29.5-30", am getting the bare shaft flight really close before adding fletching and using OL's method and fine tuning with point weight and brace height. Got to get them very close before fletching since cuuting off the tail to stiffen won't take long before need to refletch.
From OL's site: "The most forgiving arrow to shoot will actually show a slightly weak/slightly high nock point indication. In other words, at 20 yds or more, bare shafts grouping a little low and right is perfect because fletching makes a shaft react slightly stiffer." So bare shaft slightly weak because fletching will stiffen the arrow.
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For the best prices check out FS Discount Archery. I'd love to support 3 Rivers and KK, but FS saves me too much.
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I'm using a 200 grain point plus the 16 grain aluminum insert, so 216 total point weight. I'm drawing 29" and have a 29.5 BOP head.
I didn't do the bare shafting thing. I just make sure broadheads and fieldpoints group at 30 yards together and call it good. All I want to see is a lazer beam streaking to the target. I guess I'm from the old school and really don't want to stress out over 25 grains of weight or 1/4" cut off the back of my arrow.
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"Old School" :clapper:
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I shoot the MFX 500, 29.5", 100g insert, 125g point, with a wrap and 4" fletching these arrows weigh 538g. My bow(Blacktail recurve) is pulling 53#@28.5" and my arrow flight is great. I shot thru a buck that weighted 228 lb field dressed.
They are much tougher than any other carbons I've shot.