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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Kevin Hansen on May 28, 2014, 12:21:00 PM
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I'm would like to hear from members who have experience with backpacking dome type tents that offer the "fast pitch" option of pitching the tent with just the fly and footprint. Pros, cons, features that make one make of tent with this option better than others, etc.
Thanks.
Kevin
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I think it's only a viable option in areas of the country or in seasons when bugs are not a problem. For example, in the Sierras in California, you wouldn't want to do that in June or early July. In the Wind Rivers in Wyoming, in July to mid August, etc. I'm sure in some parts of the country, you would never want to camp without bug protection.
Personally, if I had a choice between a tent fly and a bivy sack, at about the same weight, I would choose the bivy sack for it's greater overall protection against bugs and weather, although it offers less mobility once you're inside.
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I don't have a dome tent but an MSR Zoid I,that has the fast and light option.I haven't used it yet in that configuration but consider it a great option and it just adds to the tent's versatility.I can't think of a down side.With mine,you shave a little over a pound or app. 1/3 of the total weight.I can think of a lot of times when this would have come in handy.
I can't think of any down side other than as McDave stated,you chose to use it when bugs are bad.Wise choice of when to use the option would cover that.I expect that by elk season,in the mountains,bugs aren't much of a problem.
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Might consider a Kifaru tepee, or tarp tent. Very light and fast to set up.
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I've got a Hilleberg that can be run that way but I've never actually done it. It adds versatility if you only have one tent, but they're are probably lighter options if bugs aren't a concern.
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Thanks for the input thus far. Maybe I should explain a bit more why I am considering this option.
I currently have two tipis; an 8 person and a 4 person. They are great, and in the back country they are my shelter of choice.
I also have a 27 year old Eureka Timberline 4. I like the Eureka for its simplicity. Kids can set it up, and there isn't much they can do to hurt it either. I prefer the Eureka when I am vehicle camping and in a designated campground. The floor is nice to shield me from all the stuff on the ground in a campground that nature didn't put there. The Eureka is beginning to show its age and I'm looking at replacing it. I was thinking the fast pitch option might be nice on the off chance I didn't have the tipis with me and needed to get away from the road. Maybe I'm making the decision tougher than it needs to be.
With using the fast pitch option does the fly come all the way to the ground, or is it gapped up a few inches?
More thoughts????
Thanks.
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Not attempting whatsoever to jack the thread...
I have camped a fair bit, not a ton, but more than most and I don't get the "fly option" at all. Even midrange priced backpacking-grade tents are just not that heavy and setup is 1-3 minutes.
But most importantly, I don't need a shelter for the nice days, I need it for the crap weather. You know, those days and nights when camping kinda sucks or worse it is on the verge of dangerous. Give me a tent for snow, heavy wind, bugs, driving rain, hail etc. I will carry the extra pound or two gladly to seal out the mess.
FWIW I have backpacked camped for weeks in CO, AK, MT, and the boundary waters in CA. Like I said, not a ton, but enough to have been out in some real garbage weather with some real ridiculous bugs.
I don't know how you can make the assessment from home before hand or even from the bush that night whether you will need more protection throughout the night.
In rereading this, it may be a little harsh, but I really don't understand the tradeoff or the value of a tarp (or similar unsealed shelter) versus a tent.
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Kevin,
I use a Mountain Hardwear Drifter 3... 3 man tent for backcountry elk hunting. They call it the "light pitch" option... using only the fly and footprint. For less than 3 pounds I can have a shelter with two vestibules, two doors, and lots of room.
I have my tent and gear hauled in and then I make a couple of trips hauling everything out at the end of my hunt. I am retired and the time isn't a factor. At my age the weight is just too much hauling it all in.
If I were to have to haul everything in... I would definitely use the pitch light option. I have a Eureka Solitaire bivy... which is plenty light... but does not offer the room needed for a significant degree of comfort. A tarp in conjunction with the bivy might make it doable though.
Again... the pitch light (or fast pitch) option would be very viable for my elk hunt. No bugs by September where I hunt (`10,000 feet).
Good luck!
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P.S. There is also more room with the fast pitch option. The fly is actually larger inside than the tent.
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Just another tool in the tool box. Might as well get the option if you ask me. If you use it/need it one time, its worth it.
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I don't think I'd buy based on that option alone, but if it has everything else you want, why not?
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fnshtr, awbowman, and gringol, thanks for taking the time to comment. Your thoughts are appreciated.
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I use to be a big bivy sack guy. I had several different kinds, until 10-11 years ago when a friend found 2 snakes coiled up and sleeping under his sack. Needless to say all my sacks were sold with in the next month.... Did I mention how much I hate snakes.... :scared: :scared: :scared:
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I had a kifaru tipi but now I went with a hilliberg. Great tents, expensive but will hold up in the worse conditions. They have many options, I would buy a free standing model for the hard ground. I use an Akto so I could go light and fast if needed.
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The only serious drawback to fast pitch options is that you have now created a single wall shelter. In cooler weather condensation becomes an issue if ventilation is less than perfect.
I'm sure you have had vapour build up in your tipis, but with tipis there is more room to keep from touching the fabric and the option of a stove to keep it dry.
It is a great option in a tent (free-standing still best), for that narrow band of perfect bug free/not too cold weather.
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I have a Marmot Limelight 3 that has that option but I have never use it. I have bugs interrupting a good nights rest.
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I do get Dave's point (not harsh- good insight): A) If it is good weather why even have tent? (bivy, simple tarp, nothing would be fine) B) If it is possibly bad weather you need a good tent. And you may not know how much of tent you may need! So- what is the benefit of just the rain fly set-up?
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I hang a hammock and rain fly all the time. Just need two trees and it is like sleeping on air, almost any season in Texas. From when I stop at the tree it is up in under five minutes, usually three.
:thumbsup:
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Bugs, snakes, and a place to put your night time stuff. I know people that swore by the hammock tent, until they found that when they laid on their back at night they had serious back issues. Also, if it is raining hard and you need to get up to pee, happens to me every night when camping, if you need to put on a jacket, your boots, a head net or a rain jacket, it is good to have the room to do those things.
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Has anyone used a blind for camping?
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I have a Mountain Hardwear tent that has the option to just use the footprint and fly.....I have done it once in cold weather but dont usually backpack that far in on my trips so an extra pound does not bother me much as still need the tent poles. In warm weather I dont do it...too many snakes and stuff around here and would rather carry the tent itself than stress about things crawling in with me all night in my dreams...haha
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I've gotor had bivys, dome tents, wall tents, tipis- and tried or stayed in many mfr tents.
I'm no longer a tipi fan and sold my Golite SL5 with the stove I made for it. Though 3.5# total weight inc stove, the disadvantages just weren't apparent to me until I used one for a year.
I've settled on H.S. Tarptents as the best light backpacking alternative and have been using my Cloudburst [2# 4 oz with full floor and bug screen] for almost 12 years now. Super light, vent well, American made, Quality construction, fast setup and they have a model for everyone even tall guys like me that are wedged into other tents. these Tarptents have a huge following of seasoned backpackers. Much better quality than the overseas made Big Agnes type stuff and much cheaper than Kifaru.
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Originally posted by beendare:
I've settled on H.S. Tarptents as the best light backpacking alternative and have been using my Cloudburst [2# 4 oz with full floor and bug screen] for almost 12 years now. Super light, vent well, American made, Quality construction, fast setup and they have a model for everyone even tall guys like me that are wedged into other tents. these Tarptents have a huge following of seasoned backpackers. Much better quality than the overseas made Big Agnes type stuff and much cheaper than Kifaru.
I've looked at the tarp tents quite a bit in the last year or so. What locales have you used your tarp tent, and are there situations where you wished you had something else for a shelter?
Thanks.
Kevin
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I've run a Tarptent Contrail an awful lot and have never been disappointed in the performance. That's actually what I was thinking as a lighter option in my earlier post. At less then 2 lbs trail ready it's what I always have with me when a tent probably isn't necessary, but I've been in it down to single digits and some horrible downpours and it held its own. When I know the weather is going to be challenging my Kifaru Sawtooth and stove usually come along.
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Wow, I thought you sold the Sawtooth and went BCS like the rest of the cool kids? :D
I love my Seek Outside BCS. I could see using a floored tent if I lived in bug or snake country. But in NW Montana, it's my year 'round standard. It's tight with two guys, gear, and a stove, even with the extra panel. But it's also 3 Lbs lighter than a Sawtooth.