Opinions please: Shooting BW SA curve. 55# @ 30.5" draw:
Beman ICS 340 Hunters (.340 spine)- 31.25" arrow. 520gr total. 210 up front. 21% foc
CE Heritage 350 (.320 spine) (Prettier too! :) )- 31.25" arrow. 600 gr total. 210 up front. 18% foc.
Besides ascetics, what is the better hunting shaft? You lean to the wt. or the foc. ??
Which ever setup shoots the best.
Yep both will kill efficiently. Having said that I love Heritage arras
Best shooting one for sure
Both bare-shaft perfect. . . dialed them quarter inch at a time.
So again- foc or wt. ? What do you think??
I would go with the CX heritage. They'll shoot quieter and penetrate better. Probably more durable too.
Myself, I would take the heavier. Not that much diff between 18 and 21%, quite a bit from 520 to 600 gr. Your BW draws 30.5" is gonna be plenty quick with either.
Plenty there with the Heritage
Thanks guys
55@31.5 is like shooting a 60@28........the foc between the two is a mute point....
Your only real decision is when ya going bunting?
80 gr in weight means 10 to 12 fps of speed difference for the same bow and archer.
Assuming both fly perfectly, If you hunt and shoot at very close range (let say within 15-18 yards) choose the heavier, as those 10 fps will not change dramatically your point of impact and that little added weight may increase (little) penetration . If for any reason you may shot further than 20 yards then choose the lighter as those 10 fps may help with flatter trajectory thus accuracy.
Heavier
Heritage.
Both of those arrows are more than ample at your draw length if you put the right type of broadhead on them. I personally would probably go with the lighter one and use a good single bevel broadhead
I'm with Terry.
QuoteOriginally posted by hybridbow hunter:
80 gr in weight means 10 to 12 fps of speed difference for the same bow and archer.
Assuming both fly perfectly, If you hunt and shoot at very close range (let say within 15-18 yards) choose the heavier, as those 10 fps will not change dramatically your point of impact and that little added weight may increase (little) penetration . If for any reason you may shot further than 20 yards then choose the lighter as those 10 fps may help with flatter trajectory thus accuracy.
I like this suggestion. Maybe keep the lighter set up if you hunt open country for mulies or caribou, or wood chucks.. :D
Great thoughts guys. I want to chrono it for fun. I wonder if the BW with that draw length will actually see much difference in fps. Trajectory too will be interesting. . .
Got the input I was searching for. Thanks TG cyber commune.
Dan in KS
If the heavier arrow was merely 12% FOC and the lighter arrow was 21%, the lighter arrow would only have a 2% FOC penetration enhancing advantage. Measureable gains are not incurred until exceeding 19% FOC.
My own personal experience is that appreciable gains are percieved at approx. 25% FOC and the gains escalate starting arround 28+%.
Would merely suggest choosing the set-up based on the quarry you pursue.
Either is just fine, but the Heritage is going to be the tuffer of the two shafts.
ICS all the way you will get better FOC and why not go for it if you can even if its only a small improvement?
I have both these shafts and prefer the ICS, just because of the lighter weight per inch of shaft. I do shoot a heavier and stiffer spine and get 22.3 FOC with them while only around 17-18 with the Heritage. 54# @ 31" centershot static recurve
A very rugged shaft too when footed- the ruggedness factor is mute unless you shoot into rock and/or steel.. I know, I have shot both a lot into hard objects. and the Heritage does win the concret, steel, rock contest.
I didn't apply for a rock tag this year however...
Joshua
Ok Joshua. . . another opinion. . great. What I asked for on the post! Sounds like you are shooting a set-up similar to mine. That is what I found on FOC too. I do like the extra 80 gr. and look on the Heritage. Like the cost of the ICS though. What shall I do?
Thanks again guys
Dan in KS
Itd all about penetration...and 600 grains wins here...
try a 300 spine eg GT uls and a bigger point which will give you more FOC and more overall weigth Thanks Shane
Tried 300 spine GTs. Took over 350 grains on the front end. Not good.
Dan why the prob with 350 i run about 310 on the front with about 650 total weigth out of 50@30 but man it hits hard for a girly bow Thanks Shane
Good question Shane. . . I was just getting closer to 400 and I was still occasionally (based on release, etc) weak. Just seemed crazy going with that much wt on an arrow to get it to work. I would be far over 700 gr with a boulder tied to the front. Work? Sure. Benefit?? Worth the wt?? Not so sure.
I suppose if I were hunting big bears or hogs at 15 yds and closer the heavy wt. and EFOC makes sense to me. For my hunting of primarily deer species' keeping at 500-600 gr with that 18-25% FOC seems beneficial including that 20-35 yd shot if I feel up to it. I guess I see no big advantage of shooting a deer with a .375 HH, when a .280 takes them down fine while giving some trajectory advantages.
Just my thoughts. . .
Dan in KS
With your set up you can blow through deer with 4 blades all day long with either arrow....as long...and you don't hit the ball joint. And there is no guarantee that any head will blow through the ball joint. Oh, and of course there's always the off side leg, but if you hit that you're gonna be eating back straps.
Like I said,....just pic one and go hunting. :campfire:
Yep both arrows are plenty heavy for penetration. I would go with the flatter shooting shaft.