I've been lucky and blessed to put a cabin on my 160 acres down around Steelville, Mo. I plan to use a propane heater some but def thinking about a wood stove. It's an insulated cabin and the inside is 12 ft x 20 ft. Max it is 240 sq feet. I'm having trouble finding a small enough wood stove. Would like a pot belly type stove to take up less space and cook on but they the smallest heats 2 or 3 x the space I need it to heat.
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Anyone have any great ideas? Thanks
Oh yeh, 100 yds from the cabin. :goldtooth:
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I don't know about stoves, but it looks like you got your own little slice of heaven there.
Looking good John.
I think the best heat source would be a ventless wall mounted propane heater.
I know the wood stove is nostalgic but it does take room, not counting the wood storage etc.
Maybe a lean too and a,nice wood cooker outside could fill this void.
try a drolet woodsman (rocket or hunter), they are small and very efficient.
Def going to do that Ron but having a cabin in the woods off the grid with no wood stove is a sin, ain't it? :)
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There is a company near me that makes those cabins. Been looking at one myself. Wood stove is what I am thinking of. Maybe just not build a big fire inside. Shows us what you do to the inside. Looks like a great camp.
A little Waterford wood stove would be just the right size, IMO...looks like the lil Jotul but less expensive...
I've been pondering the same thing. I've recently been thinking some sort of external fire place with a radiant heat system should work. I must also point out that I have exactly zero experience with such systems or anything to do with them.
I would prefer the smell of woodsmoke over propane in my camp. The ventless propane wall mount stoves smell like propane.
I am the worst fix it up guy in the world. It is raw plywood on the inside.
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I have put 2 coats of paint on the walls. It looks pretty rough (still can see nail holes and some raised grain) but I can live with it I think. Still thinking about the ceiling. Gonna go with the snap together wood laminate flooring. Need to skirt it also. Any ideas for the ceiling? Paint it too? Just seal it?
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Take a look at Cylinder Stoves or 3 Dog stoves. They are made for wall tents - would think they would work great in a little cabin like that.
Jotul Black Bear woodstove. Nice looking and campact. Nothing like a woodstove in the winter!
That looks awesome. I've been through Troy a few times, it's a pretty area. Should be a lot of great stories coming out of there in the future it seems.
I can speak to this a little bit. I have had a 1950's rollo-home (8X30) on my place for about 10-15 years.
I tried a little box stove, guessing it is about 12 X 12 X 18". I just about froze one year. I could not keep a fire going more than about 2-3 hours. I finally moved my sleeping bag down to the floor, right next to the stove. I would get toasty warm and about two hours later I would wake up freezing.
I found a used propane stove (with chimney) and that worked much better.
But really, my problem was a lack of insulation in an old trailer.
I personally would get a vented propane stove, one that gives you some control over heat settings.
Also in a small air-tight cabin like you have oxygen depletion, or carbon monoxide poisoning could be a real danger.
My friend has a cabin that is just about identical to your cabin's size and he eventually ran electricity to it and put in a baseboard heater in it. Much safer.
Be safe and enjoy your new hideaway. It was one of the best things I ever did!
Not to disagree with you Fireman,but if you put a Black Bear in there you would have to damp it down terribly to be able to stand it. I was considering getting a Black Bear to heat my whole house.
Jotul use to make a very small wood stove,always looked like a novelty,but was really known for it's heating abilities.
Good Shooting,
Craig
whatever you chose make sure it is installed properly and doesn't leak. As a young man I was almost killed along with 3 friends by a leaky wood stove. I was on the top bunk and a severe headache woke me up. I stumbled out the door and vomited all over. When I open the door the stove roared to life It had sucked up all the oxygen out of the small one room cabin while leaking carbon monoxide through a crack in a seam.
In my opinion for a cabin that small, it would be easiest to heat it with a gas heater. in you want to smell woodsmoke and watch flames, you could put a fire pit and benches out in front of it.
How may hunters are using your camp at one time? the cabin I spoke of had 8 men sleeping in it during hunting season, it was in the middle of 160 acres of private land that backed up to the national forest. When all 8 guys were in there it did not take much to heat it.
Elvis liked that shag carpeting on the ceiling (and walls).
ChuckC
QuoteOriginally posted by Whip:
Take a look at Cylinder Stoves or 3 Dog stoves. They are made for wall tents - would think they would work great in a little cabin like that.
I'm with Whip...I use a 4 Dog stove in my 14x16 (224 SF) wall tent and love it. Since your cabin is insulated it should have no problems keeping you toasty warm. I might even consider stepping up to the 5 Dog since it will be a permanent fixture and weight isn't really an issue. You can always build a smaller fire in a larger stove but you can only go so big in a smaller stove.
Very nice, enjoy it. Joe
John
I had the Amish build a similar but smaller (12X16) cabin for my place in Putnam Co. Mo. I insulated and panelled the inside and heat it with a cylinder type stove like Joe and a couple others mentioned. Mine is about the 3 dogs size and works great - will run you out if not dampered correctly. Another thing to think about (unless your locals are different than mine in Putnam Co) is that anything interesting will be investigated and stolen, unless you live there. Hunting cabins are the #1 target for every meth-head and loser in the area. I take EVERYTHING in and out with me except a metal bed frame, including the stove. The first 6 months my cabin was there it was broken into twice. Nothing inside to steal and I think the word has gotten around the local bars and I've been left alone since. The stove and pipe only takes a little while to setup and my stove is around 75lbs so easy to handle. Post oak burns like charcoal and a nice post log put in at bedtime keeps the cabin warm all night.
I also bought a battery operated carbon monoxide detector that I put on the inside wall.
I'm not good at documenting with pictures, but its a nice little place, and I've already had some good times there in the past year. My goal was to invest as little as possible into permanent fixtures (panelling, flooring, etc) knowing the locals would likely break in eventually.
Ryan
typing one handed, lease forgive errors. i have had a passle of woodstoves over the past 40 years, and i think that the waterford or some version thereof ie. a small, airtight cast iron stove, would be fine-- you don't have to run it flat out-- you can have small hot fires and regulate heat that way. and open the windows! it will take up floor space, thoug. me, i would pass on the indoor stove in a building that size and ave a fire pit or fireplace outside.
Your cabin is great!! Enjoy it!!!
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I'm with you Keith, I'd have to go with a little wood stove. The smallest model of any WELL MADE brand - Waterfords and Jotul's
are both good examples, there are several others. Skip the inexpensive, non-airtight hardware store varieties. See if you can find one without a catalytic system; often there are older models for sale used.
With some attention to the install, they can be safely mounted pretty close to the wall, and don't take up much space. One out of the ordinary option would be a little sauna wood stove - small, light, very well made, some have a little glass window. Small firebox, but you need a small stove. Look up "Help" stoves.
And as Huntryx suggests, a small, hot fire is often a good way to avoid overheating. Good luck!
As much as I absolutely love wood. I would go with b both. The l mount propane has it's advantages, like immediate heat. When you are at the cabin during cold season,set it at a minimum and hunt all day. Return cold wet etc. Heat already there, then strike up the wood stove.
Having said that I camped 32 nights in my wallet last year and 36 the year before, there ain't nothing like wood!
Tongue and groove wood siding will probably be a lot cheaper than flooring for the ceiling...
with that size of cubic feet, Id go with a small propane.
You can get a small one for 169 bucks
A WB stove would take space and you would have to chimney it.
A wall mount propane takes none and would keep up warm.
Most have oxygen depletion sendors and cut offs (but Id add a battery carbon monoxide detecter.
You can also build a cheap outside stove and pipe the heat in (but more work than needed)
Clarry?
Thom
We put in a ceramic lined stove three years ago. It is very nice looking and very heavy. What is great about it is that it does not get really hot but rather radiates heat like a register. Runs at least 8 hours with three sticks in it so no waking up at night to stoke it. Once it warms up you can almost shut it down and kick in the catalytic system which burns the smoke too.
How to finish the ceiling is killing me. As previously stated I am not a good home improvement type guy. I'm trying to figure out the simplest way to finish the plywood ceiling. Leave it bare and just use a wood sealer? Which sealer? A couple of coats of poly?
Any other simple ideas?
Thanks
Forgot gratuitous farm pic :) Shot of wife at our water fall :)
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Here is the outhouse that a good friend made for us. He is real handy, built his own house. He heats his house with an outside wood burner and cuts wood on me. We bartered and it was a win/win deal
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Our families cabin is just about the same square footage as yours. We put in a small antique wood cook stove with a small fire box yet large surface area. The larger surface makes it possible to radiate heat for a long time using little wood. Propane is a nice option because you can install gaslights. If you do go with propane, you should consider direct vent. CO poisoning is a definite possibility in a room that size. Pm if you like, my family business is heating and pipefitting.
John, the bathroom in my shop is all chip board and doesn't have any sealant on it.
If you wanted it brighter in there maybe whit paint on the ceiling.
Nothing wrong with naked plywood.
QuoteOriginally posted by John Krause:
How to finish the ceiling is killing me. As previously stated I am not a good home improvement type guy. I'm trying to figure out the simplest way to finish the plywood ceiling. Leave it bare and just use a wood sealer? Which sealer? A couple of coats of poly?
Any other simple ideas?
Thanks
John; If that were my cabin I would paint the ceiling white to keep it bright inside. If that doesn't meet your fancy just seal it with a couple coats of polyurethane.
Finally whatever you do settle on for heat source make sure your cabin is not air tight so that the heater consumes all the oxygen inside. Do as Ryan said, install a Carbon Monoxide detector.
Good luck and enjoy!
If it was mine, I would put a door on the outhouse. Maybe they do things differently in MO. :)
QuoteOriginally posted by groundhawg:
If it was mine, I would put a door on the outhouse. Maybe they do things differently in MO. :)
:laughing: Exactly what I was thinking.
Some years back I made a nice wood stove from a 30 gal water heater tank. Here's the link
http://www.motherearthnews.com/diy/recycled-water-heater-wood-stove-zmaz78jfzgoe.aspx#axzz32U7Dqekw
get to page 3 and at the top is the diagrams for building it. The heavier steel holds the heat well. You can also use a smaller heater tank like a 15 gal, just scale the details down to fit, Makes a fine cabin stove.
We don't need no stinking door! It has a door :)
Just gonna go with Thompsons Water seal on the ceiling. Will have three other buds this weekend working on it. Hope to get a lot done this weekend. Also have an arrow shed that needs to get finished. Only 10,000 more screws to go.
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Make one.
I have one made from a 100 pound propane bottle that heats my wall tent nicely. I've seen them made from 20 pound bottles too. Just need someone who can weld.
maybe something like this?
http://www.ammocanstove.com/
If your handy with a welder you can build a good little stove for $100 or so bucks. I used to build smokers and a stove is a piece of cake.
If your cabin is insulated it won't take much to heat it, I now work for a portable building company and we build the same type of cabins. Another option that a lot of my customers use is the 3 burner propane inferred heaters that mount on the wall, and they won't take up any floor space either.
3 dog stove.
Great progress on this cabin this weekend. Two coats of white paint on the ceiling (I changed my mind and glad I did).
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Shed is done after 4 guys cranked on it while putting in 1 million screws. The outhouse was also put over the hole. With 2 inches of rain the hole just about filled up with water. The soil is rocky and clay down here. This is concerning me some. Hope it drys and seeps out. If not might have to try something else, not sure what yet. Click on first picture for video.
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Here is the set up
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Looking good! I have a 12x16 cabin that I have heated for years with a boxwood stove. I do crack a window and just recently bought a carbon monoxide detector but I have not had any problems. I am like you I tried a wall mounted propane heater a couple of years ago but it just wasn't the same. It is a little more work I usually have to get up once or twice during the night to add wood but there is something about burning wood in a cabin.
I would like to see apic of your stove or the brand, model size etc ALWoodsman
Thanks
It is a Vogelzang boxwood stove. I do not know the model or size.
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This gives an idea of my cabin size.
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Thank you. I am thinking about the Vogelzang lil sweetie. It's the next step smaller than yours.
Nice thread and good comments. My wife and I been living in a 10x20 cabin fully insulated for two an a half years now. And last year we installed a small cast iron pot belly wood/coal stove. Unless you want to feed it every twenty to 30 minutes in freezing winter weather to stay warm, small stoves like those work. But half way through last winter we swapped it out for a new boxwood, since it was free. It was the larger one and we thought we wouldn't have to feed it as much. It Cooked us out unless we had one big window fully opened at all times. For which we did the last three months of winter. It still kept the cabin around 80 degrees. We found out quick we couldn't load the stove up with too much wood as it isn't very air tight and the fire temps seemed to get out of hand at times. Even dampering it down. Small fires seemed to be the ticket for us. We were still up every hour an a half loading it. So we had to learn how to sleep in shifts.
John...real nice place you have there! One good thing about having a cabin, you never have to worry about being bored....always another project to do. It does look like you could use some help thinning those turkeys out though :saywhat:
One thing you might consider since you are trying to maximize space is to go with a double wall stove pipe. It's more expensive but you can get it much closer to the wall as opposed to single wall. I used it in my cabin and was able to get the stove very close and save some space.
QuoteOriginally posted by DarkTimber:
One thing you might consider since you are trying to maximize space is to go with a double wall stove pipe. It's more expensive but you can get it much closer to the wall as opposed to single wall. I used it in my cabin and was able to get the stove very close and save some space.
The double wall pipe may be code.You might want to check on that if you are going to insure your cabin.
I've got a 13X28 fully insulated cabin in Michigan's U.P. It is heated with a direct vent propane stove by Heritage. The direct vent is the way to go. It won't create condensation inside your cabin and no propane fumes. Also no risk of draining the oxygen in the cabin. My stove is the 28,000 btu medium size, but they make a smaller 20,000 btu model. Mine has a remote control to turn it on or off; so I just lay in my bunk and if it gets too hot I just turn it down from my bed. I was there in February when the temps were in the teens and it kept me warm on the low setting. I'll email you pictures or you can look it up at www.empirecomfort.com (http://www.empirecomfort.com)
Most of the stoves, manufactured or homebuilt, require a 36" clearance to combustibles. Building proper wall protections can only reduce these by 1/2. They also all require a hearth pad with a minimum 12" on sides and 16 in front of any door. Big footprint in a small space. These codes have been set for a reason and you and loved ones are going to sleep there.
35 years in the woodstove/fireplace business and I would go with a small direct vent LP heater.
What SteveB said
Thanks for the great input! Makes a lot of sense
More progress on the cabin this weekend. Wanted to skirt it but a mix up left me with no material to skirt it.
Did get a loft ladder built. It went together great.
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We put up a hummingbird feeder and we got visitors!
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I used the bright red flu flu fletch to lure them in. :) I sat about 6 feet away several times today and watched them come in. They are neat birds! Just need the floor in and skirted and I am good to go. It's just getting all the right guys together
Awesome place John. You're gonna have some good times there. Those turkeys will keep you entertained.
Good luck with it.
Well more progress on the cabin last weekend and this weekend. Last weekend we skirted it. Two of my good friends helped tremendously.
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It was hot work. I almost passed out two or three times. We had to rake away the gravel at the base then toe in some boards to screw to besides the lip. I used the same siding for skirting. Looks pretty good I think.
This weekend we cut some vents in the skirting and laid a laminate floor. Again good friends and neighbors pitched in. I felt guilty just watching, gofering, water boy and doing the lunch thing.
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Friday night we laid the water barrier and this morning started on the floor. It turned out great.
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Here is the finished product. The cabin is now livable. Have some finish work that can be done over time but no rush. The wife will join me this nest holiday weekend and we will move some stuff in.
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Very Nice! Enjoy it
Was reading something last night and came across a Salamander Hobbit Stove. Looked about ideal for this project, but spendy.
That Salamander stove looks about the best I have seen so far but they are a little high.
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A few visitors in the yard.
Awesome cabin and hope you make many great memories in it and outside it!
Ryan is absolutely correct!
DO NOT leave anything there that you value.
The local scum, and they are EVERYWHERE, will make quick work of your stuff.
Good Luck and Enjoy
Philip
I'm sure everyone is about sick of this thread but we put some finishing touches on it this weekend. It was glorious weather for S MO this time of year. Low 80's during the day and mid 60's at night.
The wife came down for the first time in a while and we had a great time. She had to have the blender for Marguaritas. :) Thank God for generators!
A Cabelas camp kitchen went in one corner.
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A futon in the front. It was great to sleep on as the loft really traps the heat.
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The shower tree. Really simple solar shower hanging from a chain. Wife's a trooper. it was nakedness at the shower tree. :)
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A nice sign the wife had made. I have three spring fed creeks / draws hold water.
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Thanks for playing along. I know a few trad gang guys in MO I want to invite down and maybe soon hope to do a St Judes hunt. (the hunting is tough but the scenery is great)
"Three Springs Cabin" - that's a great name for your place! You have a very thoughtful wife. Enjoy your nice looking cabin! :thumbsup:
Bernie