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Title: Friend is in New Zealand!
Post by: Stump73 on March 17, 2014, 03:51:00 PM
Scott left out on the 11th and is not supposed to be until this Saturday. Well I got an email this morning with a photo of him. This the only information from him I have until he returns from the States. Sorry guys I can't resize pictures on photo bucket with my phone.
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Post by: Stump73 on March 17, 2014, 03:52:00 PM
Just a hint     :clapper:
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Post by: Burnsie on March 17, 2014, 03:59:00 PM
Don't need to resize photos anymore
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Post by: wingnut on March 17, 2014, 08:20:00 PM
Yep I got the same pic.  What a monster bull!!

Mike
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Post by: Mike Vines on March 17, 2014, 08:25:00 PM
I got the same email/picture.  Scott did an amazing job on a phenomenal animal.
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Post by: Matty on March 17, 2014, 08:51:00 PM
YOU S.O.Bs!!! QUIT TEASING!!!!
  :dunno:
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Post by: Hermon on March 17, 2014, 08:59:00 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Matty:
YOU S.O.Bs!!! QUIT TEASING!!!!
   :biglaugh:  

Yes, please share with the rest of us!
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Post by: Stump73 on March 17, 2014, 09:39:00 PM
Sorry guys my phone wont let post from photobucket.  I'm not very tech savvy.  I guess we will to wait for Scott to get on here.
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Post by: mmgrode on March 17, 2014, 10:07:00 PM
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Post by: John Havard on March 17, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
Here you go:

 (http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/JCHavard/IMG_0314_2_zpsf31b48f4.jpeg) (http://s603.photobucket.com/user/JCHavard/media/IMG_0314_2_zpsf31b48f4.jpeg.html)
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Post by: centaur on March 17, 2014, 11:18:00 PM
Holy Crap!! What a stag!!
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Post by: Warden609 on March 17, 2014, 11:24:00 PM
WOW!! What a great adventure.
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Post by: Pat B. on March 17, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
Outstanding !!

Well done Scott.

    Pat
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Post by: Ryan Sanpei on March 17, 2014, 11:27:00 PM
W   :eek:   W  

Story should be along shortly???
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Post by: dhermon85 on March 17, 2014, 11:31:00 PM
Don't know if I could've held it together! Way to go!  :notworthy:
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Post by: South MS Bowhunter on March 17, 2014, 11:47:00 PM
Great Job Scott! What an Outstanding bull!!!!
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Post by: medic77 on March 17, 2014, 11:55:00 PM
Holy cow
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Post by: Caughtandhobble on March 18, 2014, 12:17:00 AM
Wow... Way to go my Friend  :thumbsup:
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Post by: GrayRhino on March 18, 2014, 12:24:00 AM
What a stud!  Talk about excess baggage!   :eek:
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Post by: azhunter on March 18, 2014, 12:31:00 AM
My jaw just dropped when I saw that monster.
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Post by: Flying Dutchman on March 18, 2014, 02:56:00 AM
Looks like Jurassic Park...  :)
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Post by: Fattony77 on March 18, 2014, 02:57:00 AM
Phenomenal is a slightly inadequate description! That's a bad mama-humper!!!!!

Can't wait for the story from our Friend!
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Post by: Plumber on March 18, 2014, 04:59:00 AM
great job. what a remarkable animal
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Post by: glenbo on March 18, 2014, 05:02:00 AM
Outstanding Scott. Looking forward to the story
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Post by: Jayrod on March 18, 2014, 06:07:00 AM
He's a whopper for sure!
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Post by: Whip on March 18, 2014, 06:52:00 AM
What a giant! Congratulations Scott! I'm looking forward to a very long story - end to hear every detail.
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Post by: Izzy on March 18, 2014, 07:07:00 AM
Wow!!!!!!! Crazy looking beast, I love it.
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Post by: stocker56 on March 18, 2014, 07:11:00 AM
WOW!!! That is a lot of bone, Scott, I'm looking forward to the story.    :campfire:
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Post by: Brianlocal3 on March 18, 2014, 07:31:00 AM
Outstanding work Scott!!!!! Your preparation , practice and hard work have paid off.  

I know Scott was very selective of where he went and was very ADAMANT about a fair chase hunt, way to go
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Post by: Old Chief on March 18, 2014, 08:00:00 AM
Congratulations on a truly Outstanding Bull!
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Post by: tracker1 on March 18, 2014, 08:04:00 AM
Very nice I can't wait for the story.  :campfire:
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Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on March 18, 2014, 08:27:00 AM
That is just fantastic!  Congratulations to you and your hard work...can't wait to read the story behind it.
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Post by: KentuckyTJ on March 18, 2014, 08:36:00 AM
Oh WOW! Fantastic Stag Scott. You have successfully completed one of my dream hunts. I hope you make it to our Ky TradFest so we can chat about it.
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Post by: BDann on March 18, 2014, 08:43:00 AM
That thing is huge!  What an awesome animal!
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Post by: pdk25 on March 18, 2014, 09:49:00 AM
Great stag there!  Congrats are in order.  Thought he was a poet, not a killer.  I have never understood the selection process, but I would love to see this one up top.
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Post by: VictoryHunter on March 18, 2014, 09:50:00 AM
Awesome stag, congrats!
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Post by: on March 18, 2014, 11:02:00 AM
That's a stud, for sure!

Congrats,

Bisch
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Post by: cacciatore on March 18, 2014, 06:08:00 PM
Porca putt. Sorry what a mo ster!!!!
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Post by: bruinman on March 18, 2014, 07:20:00 PM
Wow!! Gargantuan!! Ive been wanting to use that word for 40 some years, LOL. Hope I spelled it right. Congrats what an awesome animal.
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Post by: Kris on March 18, 2014, 07:25:00 PM
Nice shot!  I've been to New Zealand, had my bow but did not hunt (long story, my wife was with me blah, blah, blah)  Someday...someday!

Beautiful and congratulations!

Kris
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Post by: Blaino on March 18, 2014, 08:03:00 PM
That is one amazing trophy! I'm sure the story will be just as good. Congratulations!
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Post by: Mike Gerardi on March 18, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
:clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:  Awesome!!
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Post by: WESTBROOK on March 18, 2014, 09:03:00 PM
Well done Scott!    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Stump73 on March 18, 2014, 09:09:00 PM
He toldme before he left that if he got one he may not post about. He said he didnt want brag. I told him if he dont im going to. This way he had no choice in the matter.
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Post by: Stump73 on March 18, 2014, 09:13:00 PM
Thanks John for posting the picture. I tried all day but couldn't get it figured out.
Now its awaiting game to get the phone call from him to hear the,story
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Post by: DesertDude on March 18, 2014, 10:47:00 PM
Sweet...........Well Done.
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Post by: pdk25 on March 18, 2014, 11:14:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by shed hunter:
He toldme before he left that if he got one he may not post about. He said he didnt want brag. I told him if he dont im going to. This he had no choice in the matter.
Brag?   Heck, I bet everyone here wants to hear the story so we can live vicariously through him. That is the best part of this site to me, hearing about others hunts and hopefully learning something in the process.
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Post by: KentuckyTJ on March 19, 2014, 08:33:00 AM
Yes, PLEASE Brag Scott, I'm dying to hear about it!
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Post by: zipper bowss on March 19, 2014, 08:58:00 AM
Its not bragging its sharing. We NEED to hear this story.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Ragin Bull on March 19, 2014, 09:36:00 AM
I want to hear the story because that is one hunt I want to do...........soon   :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
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Post by: RAU on March 19, 2014, 12:38:00 PM
Never talked to the guy in my life but I always enjoy his posts. He has an interesting  way of saying things. Id really like to hear his story.
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Post by: coaster500 on March 19, 2014, 12:47:00 PM
What a beast Scott!!!!

Congratulations !!!!!
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Post by: Dirtybird on March 19, 2014, 01:16:00 PM
Scott will no doubt have every detail I hope to relay to us here on tradgang.  Like others have said, it's not to brag but to learn and experience something that some if us may never get to do.  Congrats on such a fine specimen Scott.  I for one, can't wait to hear about your adventure in New Zealand.
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Post by: ronp on March 19, 2014, 02:14:00 PM
Oh my!  WOW!!!
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Post by: Josh Perdue on March 19, 2014, 02:14:00 PM
Nice!!!!!!
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Post by: chall on March 19, 2014, 02:33:00 PM
WOW!!!!
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Post by: glass76 on March 19, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
Fine looking animal. I'm waiting on the story, hope there's more pics too!
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Post by: Stump73 on March 19, 2014, 09:39:00 PM
I asked him for one thing and that was take as many pics as he can.
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Post by: redant 60/65 on March 19, 2014, 11:14:00 PM
Very nice    :thumbsup:   love to hear the story    :clapper:
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Post by: rainman on March 20, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Really awe inspiring animal.  Would like to see more pics when you get time and hear the story.
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on March 21, 2014, 06:19:00 AM
Dang! That's freakin' awesome!

Well done, Scott!
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on March 21, 2014, 07:40:00 AM
Congratulations Scott on a perfect Representative of the species.

I am looking froward to the story of your hunt and perhaps some extra photos.   :campfire:    :clapper:
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Post by: Stump73 on March 22, 2014, 09:58:00 PM
Got the from the Man himself this  evening He had just arived back in the States, but wont be home until tomorrow afternoon. He said to give him time to rest from his trip and he give us details as only he can.    :campfire:  I can't wait!
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Post by: Dirtybird on March 22, 2014, 10:10:00 PM
:campfire:    :coffee:
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Post by: 4dogs on March 23, 2014, 12:19:00 AM
:clapper:    :clapper:  Looking forward to this.
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Post by: elkken on March 23, 2014, 11:23:00 AM
I have my dictionary ready and am waiting for Scott's story ... Congrats    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Friend on March 23, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
G'day Gentlemen,

Never have I posted details of any of my harvest. Perhaps it is somewhat selfish since I thoroughly enjoy living the treasured experiences shared by others. However, my main driver is the fear of miserably failing to render the proper respect these wonderful creatures deserve. Also, sharing this particularly coveted adventure, which may never be possible for some, holds its own personal reserve.

The Trad Gang group's enthusiastic inquiries have moved me to present this splendid adventure. Much gratitude is enjoyed by the genuine care-  so freely rendered by the Trad Gang family. This NZ adventure requires no additional galvanizing, just accurate and vivid interpretations of my field notes.

Just returned from NZ this afternoon and have only had 2 hours of shuteye since Friday. Please attempt to maintain some patience as I recover and attend to the home front?  Will likely start posting by Thursday. No attempts will be intentionally rendered in order to string you along.

This adventure warrants establishing an accurate delivery of this splendid account.

Thank you and best regards,
Scott

(http://i.imgur.com/bIlzKJY.jpg)
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Post by: see on March 23, 2014, 10:18:00 PM
Great hunt Scott. Yours of a lifetime I'm sure.Glad it all came together for u. Hope to see u at Ky tradfest.
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Post by: dhermon85 on March 23, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
Welcome back, look forward to you posts.
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Post by: pdk25 on March 23, 2014, 10:35:00 PM
Well,  I guess I just have be patient. Glad you made it back safely.  I am sure the story will be worth the wait.
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Post by: JEFF B on March 24, 2014, 12:05:00 AM
well done scott when are ya coming back down here looks like ya'll had a good time.    :archer:
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Post by: Marksman Quivers on March 24, 2014, 06:24:00 AM
Looking forward to the details, NZ is a mystical place to hunt.
Cant wait.
Cheers
Mark.
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Post by: shirikahn on March 24, 2014, 12:18:00 PM
Get some rest...I (and I know everyone else here) is eager to hear of your grand adventure.
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Post by: KentuckyTJ on March 24, 2014, 02:09:00 PM
If no one shared their successful or unsuccessful trips afield this would turn into a boring tech talk site. Share away!
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Post by: Archie on March 24, 2014, 05:35:00 PM
Notwithstanding the posts of the many individuals who have already extended to you their unreserved congratulations, I feel I must opine as well with respect to your singularly inspiring accomplishment...

AWESOME, DUDE!
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Post by: doubleo on March 24, 2014, 09:51:00 PM
Congrats and get some rest my friend!   :campfire:    :coffee:
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on March 24, 2014, 11:09:00 PM
That's a monster.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Butchie on March 25, 2014, 05:45:00 PM
Wow, that's fantastic!  Congratulations!
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Post by: wingnut on March 25, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
I heard part of the story today on the phone.  Can't wait to read your account of the adventure.

Mike
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Post by: tradgreenhorn on March 25, 2014, 06:17:00 PM
Way to go. Holy cow !!!!!!   :clapper:    :archer2:
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Post by: Knawbone on March 25, 2014, 10:11:00 PM
Welcome home Friend,looking forward to reading of your adventure. I enjoy your colorful writings.  Hope your hunting in NZ fulfilled your expectations and instilled a lifetime of memories and new friends in which to share them.
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Post by: Friend on March 27, 2014, 10:00:00 PM
NZ>>>>>>>New Zealand<<<<<<
Dreams of a NZ red stag pursuit intensified to the melting point in 2007. This charter was in process and illness over the next few years seemingly eradicated this coveted adventure. Fellow Trad Gang member 'wusup' both rekindled the fire and inspired me to fervently pursue my dream. Much is owed wusup.

Identifying a personally desired outfitter was quite frustrating and a TG post guided me in the absolute spot-on direction. Wildside Hunting Safaris on the North Island was easily chosen. The issue that concerned me is that I had failed to identify a viable 2nd choice..
Just some of the attributes:
100% Fair Chase
100% Born in the wild
No food plots
No feeders
No hormones
Spot and stock
Quality herd
Archery focused
Numerous traditional successes
Exhibited the ultimate respect for family, hunter and the red stag.
Numerous recommendations such as one in particular from Dale Karch
Since I was determined to hunt eight days, then offered his one and only guarantee..."we would get close".

Had numerous communications with Gerald Fluerty of Wildside Hunting Safaris prior to booking. I was took contract the hunt in Jan. 2012, however just a month prior, Gerald's visit to an SCI show in the US, 2014 was greatly successful and 2014 was completely booked. We both were disappointed and Gerald contacted me 2 days later. He strategized that we could hunt the stags prior to the 'ROAR", while they were still in bachelor groups and that there would be far less eyes since a stag would less likely be accompanied by numerous hinds; and the antlers would likely have less damage due to serious engagements. Note: we saw one behemoth bodied stage fending off  ten stags stage left with 30 hinds stage right.. He also, stated the 'ROAR" could likely start towards the end of my hunt. Without hesitation, I was in.

From their base on the southern slopes of the North Island's highest mountain, the magnificent Mount Ruapehu and adjoining the Tongariro National Park, Wildside Hunting Safaris conducts trophy hunting safaris on both the North and South Island. A short walking distance from Wildside's Ruapehu Hunting Lodge is the start of Wildside's North Island exclusive private land hunting concession, where huge red and fallow stags roam in their natural herds and habitat. A habitat perfectly suited for the thrilling "spot and stalk" hunting for which Wildside Hunting Safaris is world renown.

The team WHS team consisted of Gerald, Brenda & son Joe Fluerty and Ben Shaule - a BC Rocky mountain goat guide specialist as well as a grizzly, elk and red stag guide. This group is not only highly skilled within each's individual role, they left an indelible impression for this group is blessed.

Below is a pic of the lodge and the spectaular view from the lodge of Mount Ruapehu:

  (http://i.imgur.com/zMNk3wb.jpg)
  (http://i.imgur.com/QehgvMw.jpg)
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Post by: BDann on March 27, 2014, 10:03:00 PM
:campfire:
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Post by: pdk25 on March 27, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
Here we go!
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Post by: dhermon85 on March 27, 2014, 10:26:00 PM
:campfire:
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Post by: John Havard on March 27, 2014, 10:33:00 PM
This is going to be good!
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Post by: Stump Buster on March 27, 2014, 11:00:00 PM
Scott,

Looking forward to hearing about the stalk and how those ACS-RC Limbs performed!!!

CONGRAT's on the trip AND the hunt!!!

Stump
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Post by: 4dogs on March 27, 2014, 11:43:00 PM
Oh boy!    :coffee:
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Post by: ermont on March 28, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
I can't wait to hear this story. What a beast!
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 12:04:00 PM
Note: Still waiting on pics, permissions and authorizations.
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Post by: hybridbow hunter on March 28, 2014, 12:50:00 PM
Wow that beast Is magnificent ! And beautiful bow as well!!
Congrats Friend     :thumbsup:
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 07:08:00 PM
Seems personally demeaning somewhat to assign an SCI score to an animal. Yet, this is quantitative value utilized to establish the target animal. After nine months of relentless searching, I was only able to identify one confirmed traditional red stag harvest over a SCI 350 score. Ironically, the upper 350's beautiful stag was harvested by Dale Karch just last year and also had been taken at Wildside Safaris.
Note: Will post a pic of Dale's magnificent stag if granted authorization.

My established objective, while possibly unrealistic, was to pursue a SCI 350+ stag. Yet, my ultimate desire constantly wandered two classes higher...SCI 380 – 399. Yes, I was dreaming large.

After arriving, and having had some time to become acquainted with the team, we got down to business. The initial meeting prior to the hunt was a complete shock. Gerald informed me that they would like to spend the 1st 4-5 days pursuing a stag which would break the SCI 400 barrier. I had not even dreamed that big. Caught totally off guard, and don't even recall my response, I am sure that I uttered something quite unintelligible.

Little did I ever conceive that this endeavor would stand alone as the most rigorous, torturous and rewarding hunt of my life.

Day 1 Morning hunt
Saw a spectacle of numerous stags and multitudes of hinds. Stags were constantly picking us out to over 400 yards and were well versed to recognize a human form. Standing motionless seemed never to serve us well as they were quite weary and owned exceptional noses.

Day1  Afternoon hunt
Gerald spots a super stag positioned for favorable wind and available cover stalk. We close the distance to ~125 yards, then maneuver slowly another 50 yards and then we are out of cover. We then back out and circle, then climb a steep wooded hill side. Now w/I 45 yards, I crawl out into the grass field to a large tree. Peering to the right, I see a younger stag ~50 yards out and walking directly towards me.
Then, I peer around the tree to left and the large stag is feeding broadside out ~30 yards.  I make the fatal mistake of being a right handed shooter and attempting to shoot off the left side of the tree.  Busted.....an unfamiliar characteristic with regards to the red stag is that they never once ever look directly at us unless at a considerable distance. If they see you in their peripheral vision, they immediately vanish. Chalk up that blown stalk as a lesson learned. Gerald just smiled and said "you will fare better the next opportunity".

This beauty of a stag had a damaged pedicel likely as a 'spiker' which contributed to exotic right side antler growth.

This majestic and intimidating beauty is whom I faced on my first encounter.

This pic was taken from the 75 yard position. It was amazing to see Gerald raise the camera above the cover and take the photo as if the camera was mounted on a mechanical extension.

 (http://i.imgur.com/rZQmZ0E.jpg)

Often times, spikers damage their pedicles during their 1st year of antler growth. It is suspected that the significant 1st year growth may be too large for the smaller pedicle.

 (http://i.imgur.com/hf7TwbU.jpg)

Ben, the Rocky Mountain goat guide specialist, was to guide me the next seven days. We wanted to formulate a plan of attack to make another attempt on this fine red stag. Gerald informed us not to waste our time. The damaged pedicle stag only permitted one close encounter a year.
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 08:21:00 PM
Day 2 hunt
Ben and I covered much ground in 7 ½ hrs that day. The scenery, fauna and animals were fulfillment enough. We made five stalks, two of which were interfered with by cattle and three were blown by abrupt wind changes.Foul weather was quickly approaching.
A great day even though we never got close.

Day 3 morning hunt
Cyclone had hit the North Island and we awoke to 75 mph gusts of wind. A great day to sleep in, but we didn't. We endured wind and sideways rain and managed to locate some unapproachable positioned stags.

Now Ben is 6''3""....weighs 170#s ... a mountain guide...sporting merely size 10 hooves and 35 years younger. With my own limitations due to illness....loss of lower peripheral vision, compromised balance and coordination... keeping up with this unsaddle broken...ginger under the tail mustang took a major toll on me. I was seriously contemplating how I could possibly last much longer. I had fallen at least twice each outing and had both Gerald and Ben quite concerned.

Finally we reached another incline and I could no longer control my steps nor would they move on command. We cut that hunt short by an hour and both Ben and I were thrilled to be out of the weather.

My extensive preparation and training should have been augmented by not over foraging. Less pork and more beans should have been a significantly greater focus in the preparation. Perhaps next time I will  be carrying considerably less pork and a be prepared to deliver more chop.
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Post by: Stump73 on March 28, 2014, 09:06:00 PM
That stag is awesome! Can't wait to hear more.
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 10:02:00 PM
Day 3 Afternoon hunt...The Gem of New Zealand
Winds had died down to approximately 50 mph gust. As we were driving through the property, to our surprise, we were seeing stags everywhere with the wind blowing directly to the back of the property.

For some unknown reason,  I felt rejuvenated and said to Ben with the utmost confidence "This afternoon will be our opportunity." I don't recall ever be so bold and confident.
Driving another ¾ mile back to the end of the property, we knew we would encounter numerous stag groups starting ¼ mile on the hunt towards the front.

We hadn't traveled a couple of hundred yards when we spotted a group ~30 reds so we maneuvered below them while they were on the left side of a wood lot. We needed to close the distance and verify they were any target stags. Our approach would have been to circle and cut through the wood lot. As we were about to proceed, ten arapawa sheep stepped out the right side of the wood lot. Both reds and sheep were feeding on both sides. After ten minutes, we decided the stalk was doomed.

Ben then set out to scout the next 150 yards towards the prpeorty front to avoid another surprise encounter and determine how we should proceed. Standing there in the sideways rain, the wind strikes me and actually nocks me to the ground. I get up and here comes Ben.
Ben  was excited and had spotted two stags in an ideal position and one was a ripper. We took off at hi pace sprint and found myself running and then unable to slow down and nearly ate some NZ dirt. We then, belly crawled 75 yards and slipped up a narrow side grass field toward the wood lot corner.  I was positioned behind five yards from the bush.

Ben felt the large stag was going to travel down the narrow section of the field alongside me and ~30 yards out. I was most uneasy. I didn't wish for a 30 yard shot in perfect conditions, the heavy winds were running down the narrow filed side and I felt exposed. The large strag started to proceed in my direction then turned back. I was relieved and dove into the dark cover of the bush. Note: Woods in NZ called 'bush" have heavy canopies and doesn't permit sunlight to reach the ground. The ground is similar to most mulch with sparse ferns.

I had cut the corner in the bush 5 yards from the grass field where the two stags were. Amazingly, there was a substantial wind break there.
The stags were moving from left to right on the opposite lower side of the knoll. A tree stood ~18 yards and the non-target stag was to pass first. The larger stag was to pass beyond the tree in seconds and when he passed all I could see was the top half of his body. A shot I have performed many times, but not willing to take in a hunting situation.


I was on my knees due to highly uneven ground and possible upper limb interference. I wanted to be comfortable and solid. Ben was standing and was a little bewildered when I whispered that I don't have a shot. Immediately, I pointed out to Ben an enormous set of head gear ten yards back from the tree and approaching the top of the knoll.
Ben had two seconds to give me thumbs up and he did. I never even saw the full head gear, nor the head or even ten percent of the body.
I ascertained that once he past the tree, he would be 24 yards. Once his nose past the tree, I drew, locked and he stepped and stopped
preciously were I already had the arrow positioned. Can't do this in practice, however all I saw was that  my window was focused on a tight shoulder 1/3up the body  dark spot.

Strangely, I vividly recall expanding and then release. The arrow did not deviate at all from my focused area. The mark was good and I had just made the best shot of my life and just happened to be in a most special situation.

The stag immediately stumbled, took a step then faltered and then trotted off 70 yards remaining in plain view. The other stags were watching him as none of them heard the shot due to the bothersome wind. He stood there statuesque for ~20 seconds, then the foundation indicated an increasing undeniable weakening to near collapse. He attempted a step the succumbed to the lethal mark... kicked twice...then movevement was no more as he expired.

I just dropped my head and contemplated the unseemingly improbable collaboration of events that had just transpired. Ben was excited and jumping and had to prod me to get me moving. I attempted to visit the mark of the arrow impact, then Ben grabbed me and said "Let's go see him".
I stood a few yards from the downed majestic stag and offered prayers over a couple of minutes before touching him. Then joy overtook me. The actual harvest of a deer has typically been the low point for me. This time I was blessed to have such a fine guide, the genuine care and love of the Fluerty family, the opportunity of this adventure and being permitted to fully enjoy this highly regarded moment.
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 10:36:00 PM
Green Score....SCI 439 1/8
Bow....Traditional

Ben and Me
 (http://i.imgur.com/niATe5a.jpg)


That darn Dryad can't stay out of the pics
 (http://i.imgur.com/36IiZ8R.jpg)
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 10:42:00 PM
Could not hold the skull and horns out from me.
(http://i.imgur.com/znSHGO1.jpg)


Even the ugly are entitled to good fortune
(http://i.imgur.com/ZtLycfV.jpg)

Do note that many pics had to be deleted due to my 'missing a chromosome" facial expressions.
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Post by: Bernie B. on March 28, 2014, 10:42:00 PM
What a fantastic hunt and animal!  Congratulations on a very special trophy!

Bernie
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Post by: Friend on March 28, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
Equipment:

Bow: Dryad ACS RC...60"s...~50#s at my draw

Arrow: Victory VForce HV350...100 gn insert...250 gn BH...562 gn total...30% Ultra-EFOC

BH: 250 gn VPA Terminator

Quiver: Safari Tuff
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Post by: Warden609 on March 28, 2014, 10:56:00 PM
Very nice!! Congrats on a great hunt.
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Post by: Bear Heart on March 28, 2014, 11:13:00 PM
Wow! Congrats.
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Post by: John Havard on March 28, 2014, 11:41:00 PM
Scott,

I know you won't say without being prodded to do so, but where in the scheme of things does a score of 439 and change for a red stag rank in the record books?
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Post by: Macca on March 28, 2014, 11:50:00 PM
Congrats Friend, great blow by blow account, what a cracker of a stag.    :clapper:
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Post by: BuckeyeGuy on March 28, 2014, 11:58:00 PM
Great hunt and good shooting bud!  Congratulations on the hunt of a lifetime!!!
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Post by: Cladinator on March 29, 2014, 12:13:00 AM
Your adventure is like a chapter out of E. Donnall Thomas' Have Bow, Will Travel: Around the World Adventure with Longbow and Recurve.

I can't get over the size of that majestic stag.

Great story and congratulations.
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Post by: Friend on March 29, 2014, 12:18:00 AM
John...have received several inquiries regarding this resplendent stag.

Frankly...I adamantly prefer to maintain a low profile and won't pursue any record qualifications unless it truly aids someone in need.

Your inquiry elicits more honor than deserved and is indeed appreciated; however this unusual harvest was hardly a direct result of my own personal skills.

This rare opportunity presented itself, by some unascertained deduction, within the presence of momentary preparedness.

The regal stag does warrant a commendation, not me, as separating the two is often quite complicated. I already have my reward.
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Post by: glenbo on March 29, 2014, 06:06:00 AM
That is quite an impressive stag Scott. Congratulations
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Post by: Fattony77 on March 29, 2014, 06:38:00 AM
Friend, again, a fantastic hunt and animal! And a big thank you for sharing, despite your modesty and humble nature.

I have to disagree with you on one point though. I believe it IS a personal skill to find the right people to connect with to put yourself in the right situation for the grand opportunity, and then to pull yourself together enough to execute an ethical shot while at your physical limits' edge. Give yourself some credit! You deserve it!

Also, you might consider that entering your trophy into the record books is not necessarily an act of vanity, but also a wonderful advertisement for the outfitters that you speak so highly of.

Just some food for thought.

Again, a heartfelt and hearty congratulations to you and those who helped you to achieve your dream!
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Post by: kwc on March 29, 2014, 07:08:00 AM
wow! what a hunt,what a story, what a great adventure. A lifetime of memories, thanks for shearing them with all of us.
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Post by: killinstuff on March 29, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
Rather amazing an animal can grow that much bone out of its head in 3 or 4 months. I'm not much for the word trophy as applied to animals killed, that's just an incredible beast. You are very fortunate.  Congrads.
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Post by: Green on March 29, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
Congratulations on the culmination of your 7 year quest.  An absolutely beautiful Stag, and your field notes are more well written than many folks classic works.  

I agree with Fattony's position....there was an incredible amount of skill and planning to get you to that shot....kudos for being physically and mentally prepared to capitalize.    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Knawbone on March 29, 2014, 08:21:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Fattony77:
[QB] Friend, again, a fantastic hunt and animal! And a big thank you for sharing, despite your modesty and humble nature.

I have to disagree with you on one point though. I believe it IS a personal skill to find the right people to connect with to put yourself in the right situation for the grand opportunity, and then to pull yourself together enough to execute an ethical shot while at your physical limits' edge. Give yourself some credit! You deserve it!


  He took the words right out of my typing fingers! You should feel very proud as well as thankful for the success of such an awe inspiring hunt. Your patients,practice and hard work can not go unnoticed. Fantastic stag Friend.......Simply WOW!     Congratulations and thanks so much for sharing your adventure with us.   :clapper:
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Post by: Beaneye on March 29, 2014, 09:17:00 AM
Congratulations to my friend... Great job
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Post by: limbolt on March 29, 2014, 09:45:00 AM
Exceptional!!! Congrats on a fine,fine animal and a job well done.Thanks for sharing.  :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: habujohn on March 29, 2014, 10:18:00 AM
There are no more adjectives to add to this post, you did great!  Congratulations on a spectacular animal.
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Post by: coaster500 on March 29, 2014, 10:50:00 AM
Scott what an exceptional animal and effort...  Congratulations!!!  

Well done !!!
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Post by: JJ1956 on March 29, 2014, 01:48:00 PM
Great stag thanks for taking us along. Were you able to bring the meat home? Is it similar to elk in taste?
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Post by: elkken on March 29, 2014, 02:26:00 PM
Living the dream .... truly an awesome animal.

Congratulations on your fine adventure, well told !
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Post by: dhermon85 on March 29, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
Is no one gonna ask how he tasted ????
That probably was one heck of a backstrap eh Friend?!!

Great story, good job!
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Post by: Friend on March 30, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
The red deer were introduced to New Zealand over 150 years prior. Deer farming for meat is quite popular in NZ. These animals are grazers and basically have the same diet as cattle. Last year at a local Wild Game Banquet, the red deer was the stand- out that ended up pleasing many a palette. I have had the pleasure to dine on red stag five times now. It is easily my favored deer table fair as compared to whitetail, elk and moose. Absolutely no wild taste, as if you hadn't heard that one before. Looks and, tastes quite similar to a fine sirloin.
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Post by: Blueridge on March 30, 2014, 09:07:00 AM
Congratulations, fantastic hunt !  What an experience, thanks for sharing.
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Post by: on March 30, 2014, 10:35:00 AM
Just now got caught up on this!

WOW! What a stud!

Congrats again, Friend!

Bisch
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Post by: Friend on March 30, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
I am both thoroughly grateful and emphatically humbled by the multitude of wonderful responses from the Trad Gang family.

Many thanks!!!!
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Post by: stalkin4elk on March 30, 2014, 10:14:00 PM
The stag, your trip with friends, the hunting story, and your eloquent writing style are all outstanding! Congrats!
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Post by: Stump73 on March 30, 2014, 10:22:00 PM
Hey Scott I believe you should change your avatar.
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Post by: NBK on March 30, 2014, 10:40:00 PM
Friend.
I have spoken to my wife many times about my personal "bucket list" dream hunt.
You have simultaneously lived it and served as inspiration that it doesn't have to be a dream.
A most sincere congratulations sir.
Well done on all accounts.
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Post by: stujay on March 30, 2014, 11:21:00 PM
Nice stag indeed!   :archer:
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Post by: Josh Perdue on March 30, 2014, 11:22:00 PM
Wow, what a hunt. Congratulations!!!
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Post by: Hopewell Tom on March 31, 2014, 07:02:00 AM
A fantastic tale and animal.

Congratulations.

We could all probably be "carrying less pork and delivering more chop..." You sure stepped up.
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Post by: Easykeeper on March 31, 2014, 08:06:00 AM
Congratulations again Scott on a beautiful stag, my hat is off to you and your personal fortitude along the journey.

Thank you for the great story and photos...    :thumbsup:
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Post by: DaveT1963 on March 31, 2014, 08:07:00 AM
Oustanding stag!  Congrats Scott
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Post by: lt-m-grow on March 31, 2014, 11:06:00 AM
Outstanding.   And thanks for sharing.  I took some notes and my hunting interests have expanded.  :-)
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Post by: Old Chief on March 31, 2014, 11:14:00 AM
I just completed reading your story and it is of the same quality as your stag - OUTSTANDING!

I think you should reconsider your position on submitting him for the record book.  I believe the listings are more about the animals then the people, and this stag is truly outstanding.
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Post by: MR BILL SHORTY on March 31, 2014, 11:16:00 AM
:thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :clapper:
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Post by: Steve Jr on March 31, 2014, 11:27:00 AM
Very nice !!! Congrats and thanks for sharing   :thumbsup:
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Post by: centaur on April 01, 2014, 05:00:00 PM
Hard to put the right words to what a tremendous animal that is. We could all live several lifetimes and not even see, much less shoot, a beast like that. Awesome!
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Post by: JEFF B on April 01, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
hey friend try fallow deer next time and you won't eat red ever again trust me   :thumbsup:
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Post by: doubleo on April 01, 2014, 10:50:00 PM
Congrats on a super fine animal!   :clapper:    :clapper:
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Post by: Friend on April 03, 2014, 09:53:00 AM
Have taken my good friend Shed Hunter's advice to update avatar.

Thank you!
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Post by: 4dogs on April 03, 2014, 10:14:00 AM
Thats Great!  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Whip on April 03, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
What an incredible animal!  Your telling of the tale inspires dreams for the rest of us and for that I thank you.  Congratulations on a wonderful adventure.
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Post by: Bladepeek on April 03, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
Just looked at this post for the first time.

That's no stag; that's an oak blowdown viewed from the roots! What a monster!

Those New Zealand stags make the European variety look like poor cousins.

Congrats on a truly wonderful hunt.
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Post by: gringol on April 03, 2014, 09:21:00 PM
Don't know how I'm just seeing this, but here's to a fine stag, Friend!  That is truly a fine beast!  

When I started reading the thread I was sure it was going to end with Friend mesmerizing the stag with some impressive, flowery words until a shot could be had.   ;) . Always a pleasure reading your posts.  Don't ever worry about "bragging" we need to see some hunt stories to keep our sanity this time of year.  Thanks for posting.
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Post by: Mike Gerardi on April 03, 2014, 09:50:00 PM
:notworthy:  No words.    :notworthy:
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Post by: Bjorn on April 06, 2014, 11:49:00 PM
What a great hunt and story-finest animal one could dream of.
Well done Friend! Wow!!   :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:    :thumbsup:
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Post by: Ragin Bull on April 07, 2014, 07:24:00 AM
Well done Friend! A beautiful trophy and a beautiful story.
Thank you for sharing it with us.
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Post by: Tater on April 07, 2014, 07:44:00 AM
Great story of the hunt thanks for sharing it with us.
 
 That is one magnificent Stag...!
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Post by: Friend on April 07, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
Quote from Jeff B:
well done scott when are ya coming back down here looks like ya'll had a good time. [clapper] [clapper] [archer2] [archer]


Planning a hopeful return in 2018.
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Post by: Kyle Lancaster on April 07, 2014, 10:06:00 AM
That is fantastic. Congratulations!
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Post by: RAU on April 07, 2014, 11:02:00 AM
Congrats! Great story and animal!
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Post by: Friend on April 07, 2014, 01:53:00 PM
Dale Karch of 3Rivers hunted with this same extraordinary NZ group last year. He was most generous in giving up 30"s to offer invaluable detailed advice for the planning and preparation of my own adventure.

This stag's quality head gear represents a superior traditional harvest.


Note: Dale provided me authorization to post a pic of his classic stag.

(http://i.imgur.com/XEbs0Zk.jpg)
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Post by: Friend on April 07, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
Dale also provided me authorization to post a pic of this highly exceptional fallow.

Even though Dale had taken the largest Red Stag with traditional equipment that I could locate, the harvest of a Fallow Buck of this magnitude with traditional equipment may possibly be a far superior achievement.

 (http://i.imgur.com/1c2tYtk.jpg)

I spent five days chasing Fallow bucks before their own rut.  Saw at least 150, yet never...never got close.

Note: The Fallow bucks were so weary that the only relaxed one observed was after shooting light.

I came to be quite familiar with the rear bumper of the Fallow deer.  Never got close enough to read the bumper stickers; however my guide said it read "see ya!!!!".
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Post by: Bjorn on April 07, 2014, 02:12:00 PM
Can you imagine shedding and growing those racks every year? What does that do to the body chemistry?! I'm sure you could almost see the rack grow on the older animals.
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Post by: Terry Green on April 07, 2014, 02:18:00 PM
I finally got to read this last night.  Thanks for Sharing, wish I would have known about that place when I was down there. Always nice to see NZ pics.

Congrats Sir...every trad bowhunter should have a 'jaw dropper' moment like that.
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Post by: Matty on April 07, 2014, 05:52:00 PM
Great great story friend! What an accomplishment!
In, an I'm sure, gorgeous place.
Very happy for you!!
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Post by: riverrat 2 on April 09, 2014, 09:40:00 AM
Friend congrats on a amazing adventure and thank you for sharing it with such a detailed and well  versed account of things. Awesome.  rat'
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Post by: Shinken on April 13, 2014, 05:24:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by John Havard:
Here you go:

  (http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt113/JCHavard/IMG_0314_2_zpsf31b48f4.jpeg) (http://s603.photobucket.com/user/JCHavard/media/IMG_0314_2_zpsf31b48f4.jpeg.html)  
What an INCREDIBLE trophy stag!

Congratulations!

  :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:

Keep the wind in your face!

Shoot straight, Shinken

  :archer2:
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Post by: Friend on April 15, 2014, 11:15:00 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/22eKCz5.jpg)
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Post by: JEFF B on April 15, 2014, 04:02:00 PM
naw more fun in small truck   :biglaugh:
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Post by: SKITCH on April 15, 2014, 04:15:00 PM
Shoulda strapped it to the hood.  That would have been something!!
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Post by: BOWMARKS on May 19, 2014, 03:19:00 AM
Do not know how I missed this great story and photos ???

Had to be a thrill of a hunt congrats Scott     :clapper:    :clapper:
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Post by: cacciatore on May 19, 2014, 03:43:00 AM
Congrats once again to all the hunters involved,really exceptional trophies!
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Post by: Friend on August 10, 2014, 04:40:00 PM
Just recently recieved the horns and hide from NZ.

My good friend Shed hunter(Michael Shepherd) provided me much pleasure by sharing in this continueing covetted and thought provoking imagery.

(http://i.imgur.com/sRzY0Ua.jpg)

Hopefully, many from the Trad Gang family are blessed to enjoy a sacred hunt.

Should expect the taxidermy completion in February.
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Post by: Stump73 on August 10, 2014, 05:31:00 PM
Scott that rack is massive. You can really tell the size with holding it at my 5'-6" height. It ways a ton, I couldn't see an animal can carry something that heavy on its head. Congrats! I cant wait to see it after the taxidermist gets done with it.
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Post by: Friend on February 15, 2015, 06:59:00 PM
Mount should be completed in April.

Quite interested in a return hunt to NZ.
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Post by: jt85 on February 15, 2015, 10:24:00 PM
Can't wait to see the mount Friend.
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Post by: Robert Armstrong on February 16, 2015, 09:17:00 AM
Really nice, can't wait to see pic's of the mount.
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Post by: slowbowjoe on February 16, 2015, 05:39:00 PM
Very well done, and well told, with clarity and integrity, Friend and wordsmith!

I sincerely appreciate your attitude and integrity in your hunt.
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Post by: SKITCH on May 08, 2016, 01:09:00 AM
Recently brought up the "Dream Hunt" thread as it's wonderful to hear what you guys dream about.

Here is one in which a guy finally pursued his "Dream" and was successful beyond his imagination.  If you have not read our brother Friend's story you should.  The story and pictures start a few pages in but you will be amazed!!   Definitely worth the read.  

Scott says the mount should be back from the taxidermist soon. Looking forward to seeing this one!  

  :campfire:
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Post by: eddings220 on July 28, 2016, 03:37:00 AM
Wow, great hunt Scott!
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Post by: Friend on July 28, 2016, 07:21:00 PM
Thank you...Thank you!!!

http://imgur.com/a/H5caJ
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Post by: kybowman on July 29, 2016, 11:17:00 AM
This has to be the most beautiful animal on the planet to hunt!!! So majestic!! It is also my "dream" animal.
We should try to grow some of these big boys in Ky...............   :pray:    :pray:    :pray:    :pray: