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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Bulletpusher on February 10, 2014, 08:19:00 AM
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I'm trying 2 fletching arrows in stead of 3 or 4 fletching.
I did it on one arrow to start just to see how it would work. My 2 fletch arrow seems to fly straighter and flatter that all of my others and also it seems to hit the target straighter and penetrate deeper.
Has anyone else out there shooting traditional archery experienced anything similar or something different.
Let us all know
Bulletpusher
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With 2fletch you have 1/3 less resistance on your arrow in flight and should give faster flight and deeper penetration.
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Yep! I shot them this past season and found that as well. I also found that while in theory it seems they would be less wind resistant, they are in fact much more susceptible to planing in a crosswind. There are pros and cons just like anything. While I enjoyed shooting them, I think I'm going to go back to a three fletch.
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I think the cause of the increased windplaning goes back the 1/3 less wind resistance, therefore less stabilization.
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I have been playing around with two fletched arrows and I like them. I use some big, 5-1/2 in bannana cut feathers.
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I shoot two fletch out of longbows, and I'm always content with the performance. Feathers are bloody expensive, so saving on them helps a lot. Besides, it works beautifully.
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Has any of you tested with broad heads? 3 blade?
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I only shoot 2 bladed broad heads and have not shot them as of yet.
So far I've only shot 4" parabolic 2-fletched but I've got a hundred 5" shield cut coming (from Sagittarius) and will try the broad heads with those.
The fletcher for 4-fletching is used and just put 2 fletching on and that leave them at about a 45° angle from the nock from lower left to upper right. This seams to clear the shelf and riser with out so much upset to the arrow.
My oldest Son has just 2-fletched with the 5" shield cuts but the weather and some small illness has held up testing with them.
Bulletpusher
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i'd like to see some pictures if you guys could get around to posting them.
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I've used 2 fletch in the past and still do for some roving and stumping, but I found them less stable in flight. I use 3 for hunting.
And yes, set-up seems best with the 2 feathers at 11 and 5 o'clock...and this method saves about 33% on your feather budget.
I know Jim Neaves of Centaur is a big proponent of 2 fletch and there are some interesting and informative threads here if you do the "search" thing.
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I used two fletch years ago with 5.5" feathers. I hand wrapped them and put as much spiral as possible, I also used the super spirals with two and three fletch and broadheads for a couple of years. They really spun fast in the air. My one experiment using two fletch with my Jo-Jan and wood shafts was not a success.
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Originally posted by DanielB89:
i'd like to see some pictures if you guys could get around to posting them.
I have mine oriented about 1 o'clock and 7 o'clock:
(http://i.imgur.com/cxdgtqb.jpg?1)
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(http://i.imgur.com/Y8IE57h.jpg?1)
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Lots of twist:
(http://i.imgur.com/EAINB2D.jpg?1)
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Right wing banana cuts using a Bitz jig.
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More:
(http://i.imgur.com/YNrdeZb.jpg)
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Compared to 3 fletch, they nest up nicely in your quiver. They're quieter this way and get less damage.
(http://i1138.photobucket.com/albums/n525/rgreen1958/007-1.jpg) (http://s1138.photobucket.com/user/rgreen1958/media/007-1.jpg.html)
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Pretty cool. Nice work ron
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Green,
Great pic, I like how the 2 looks in the quiver. That would work really well in an Arrowmaster, I bet.
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Do you line up your broadhead with the two feathers or opposite the feathers?
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I try to line my broadheads up with the feathers.
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Here is an Eastern Woodland style 2 fletch using turkey tail feathers. The other arrow has a tangential 3 fletch using whole, smaller goose wing feathers. (http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y199/PatBNC/Cherokee-EasternWoodland2fletch008.jpg) (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/PatBNC/media/Cherokee-EasternWoodland2fletch008.jpg.html)
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I tried it, for me personally, it worked great when I worked great, seemed to be less forgiving when I didn't work great on my release. And this was shooting field tips, might of been worse with broadheads. just my two cents, your results may vary, lol!
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I have done it but only out of necassity....such as the boar I shot saturday was with two fletch....one of my turkey fletching was coming up and rather than risk the noise and effect on arrow...I pulled it off....flipped arrow over so bare side of shaft was against bow...and that is the arrow I put entirely inside the big boar lengthwise. Flew great....
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Just Fletched One Up. 32" Carbon, , 5.5" Shield Fletch. From 7 Yards It Flew Right Fine.
Why Would It Be More Susceptable To Windplaning ? Less Resistance Goes Several Ways, Including Less To Catch The Wind. . By More Than A Factor Of 1/3. . Cause At Some Point In The Spiral There Is Very Little Feather To The Wind, While The 3 or 4 Fletch Always Has Feathers In The Wind (Side Wind).
Gotta Wait Till Spring To Shoot Broadheads Though
chuckc
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I find that they shoot no different in high winds for me than do 3 fletch. I've shot out to 40 yards in the wind with them and am completely happy.
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http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=108848
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I haven't tried them, but less feather surface area should equal less stable flight characteristics in less than perfect conditions especially with broadheads.
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I have been playing around with two fletched arrows and I like them. I use some big, 5-1/2 in bannana cut feathers.
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Several years ago i was experimenting with different fletchings and shaft materials. One of the trials was with a dog fennel shaft and 2 right wing turkey fletchings. I was surprised that the dog fennel made it through a 20 shot 3-D course, and somewhat pleased with the 2 fletch. It seemed (as someone else said) it shot well when I shot well, but worse than a 3 or 4 fletch, when I didn't. Also, if you damage one of the fletches of a 2 fletch, it affects your accuracy more so than a 3 or 4 fletch
Oh, later on that summer I shot that dog fennel arrow through a raccoon that I thought might be rabid. The shaft made it but it damaged the fletching
James Parker is who I learned about dog fennel from. He is knowledgeable fellow.
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I played with 2 fletch for a year, long time ago. I was able to get some decent flight and took few animals with it. However, I noticed if you have any issues with shafts or inserts it showed up rather dramatically. I also noticed some erratic flight in the woods hunting. So, without going extreme deeper into it, I decided I was not the first to play with it, and must be a reason missles and rockets have minimal of 3 fins, so I went back to 3.
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I went from 3 to 4 fletch for the 'no look no feel' nocking advantage due to several 'fire fights' with hogs. I have no flight or penetration issues at all.
I have no concern with 3 fps more. I got 585 grain arrows running 185-187. On other bows I have 635 grains running the same speed. Run the numbers of momentum on those and you will see that my fletching is not in that equation.
However, in the stabilization of 'manufactured shots' in the field, gapped feathers, missing feather, or wet feathers... I'm still not in the equation as I'm covered.
4 flecth = too many positives.
Let's go hunting now... :campfire:
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If there is enough cross wind to worry about, maybe the shot shouldn't be taken. I prefer guaranteed stable arrow flight. 3 & 4 fletch for me.
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When using 4f fletch do you go helical or straight?
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Glenbo, if that question is directed at me, I have never shot straight in my life, either helical or offset. Both achieve the same thing. :campfire:
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Thanks Terry. I am going to make a few and wasn’t sure.
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I agree with what Terry said, if it rains or get "dew" on feathers or one comes off in flight, will effect shot. We all know there are a great many
factors that are out of are control, the animal gets a vote.
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You bet Glenbo......
Skates, yep, I only remember one time I had to worry about wind and that was in WY the year I killed my antelope. 20 minutes into the hunt I stalked and had a nice buck in range but didn't shoot because of the wind, nor would I have if shooting 2 fletch...... but I got my buck in the end.
Other than that, never had to worry about cross wind so my fletching is a non issue.
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4 fletch also.