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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: GrisMunkyNinja on January 05, 2014, 09:54:00 PM
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Finally chrono'd my Stalker Wolverine 58" 45# @ 26 (static recurve limbs). Easton Axis Traditional, 600 spine, about 490 gr, avg 160 fps. What kind of speed is everyone else getting? Also anyone know how to shrink images posted on here? I've been pulling mine off my FB and they come out HUGE on Tradgang (sorry). Just curious if there is a way to shrink after posting to FB, or should I shrink them prior to FB?
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im glad you asked this question. i am not a speed freak, but i am always tinkering and tunning.
my setup Martin x200 52@27 B50 16 strand string 516 grain arrow
i average 155 fps
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Oh yeah my string is 14 strands of 8125 w/ 4 mini cat whisker balls.
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Cool, once you set that mass into motion it will most likely do what you need it to do, btw, you might want to resize your pic before it gets deleted...
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Last time I chrono'ed my Sarrels Blueridge, I was at 177fps. I shoot 50#@ my 28 1/2" DL and the arrows were 530gr. I use a 14 srtand D-97 string with 2 wool yarn silencers.
I am sure it is a little slower than that now. I had a splinter in the glass on one of the limbs and the sanding to fix that caused a 1.4# weight loss. So now it is only 48.6# and I had to add a little weight to the front end of my arrows to make then tune correctly, and my arrows now are 560gr.
Bisch
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Wife's Dryad Orion ACS RC 43@29 gets 170fps with 517gr arrow, 12.5gpp. My Orion ACS CG 59@31" gets 190fps with a 542gr arrow, 9.2gpp. Having monkey long arms pays in the speed department, but for me it sure stinks to try and tune arrows as I can't cut to tune since I need to have a full length arrow.
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The photos are supposed to auto resize these days, I remember there being a post about that from Terry I think.
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How long is your draw?...that will tell us how many lbs you are pulling and help determine how well it's performing. Not sure what your grains per pound are.
My zipper SXT with recurve c/f limbs 51@28 (I draw 29) was shooting a GT 5575 that weighed 540 grains at 195 last time I shot it.
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@Over&Under 26" is my dl. Officially South shaped my bow as 48# @ 28", but I did an informal weight test by using a luggage scale and came in as 45# @ 26".
Kinda figured out the photo thing. Made it clickable to the original image.
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With a heavy arrow over 10gr.pp, and only drawing 26", I'd say that's pretty damn good "real world" speed.
There are a lot of "hyped up" claims out there...
Stalkers are super bows with good performance, shooting characteristics, and built absolutely "bomb proof"...enjoy your South Cox creation!!!
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Originally posted by Guru:
With a heavy arrow over 10gr.pp, and only drawing 26", I'd say that's pretty damn good "real world" speed.
I would have to agree...for only drawing 26"...that's not bad.
No go kill something with it :thumbsup:
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First thigs first speed is seccond to accuracy.
That is a great realistic speed at 26. I have done a good bit of crono work and I wish I hadnt some days. I have shot a lot of bows and some are really fast that doesnt mean they are easy to shoot though.
I would put the stalker up against anything for over all shooting experiance.
Randy
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I agree for a 26" draw that is excellent arrow speed at over 10gpp. That is a fast bow.
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Would believe your are in fine shape.
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My 62", 45#@28" Morrison Cheyenne with Max 1 carbon/foam limbs averages 183 fps with 483 gr arrows. Even better than the speed it produces is its quietness and its consistent accuracy.
Bill
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Keep pulling it back farther till you get the desired speed. LOL
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Originally posted by Ravenhood:
Keep pulling it back farther till you get the desired speed. LOL
I've been known to catch myself doing this when shooting through a chrono, all of a sudden the tip is on the shelf lol
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Last time I chronoed my ACS I got 187 to 189 fps. That's a 61# bow drawn to 28in with a 600 gr arrow. The flatter an arrows trajectory the easier accuracy will come. So speed is important to accuracy in that regard.
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I have shot recurves and longbows for close to 30 years and have never shot through a chronograph. Just never worried about the speed. I do know I could tell the difference between some of the many bows I have had just by shooting them.
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3-Piece all wood longbow of my own making.
64" ttt, 47#@25",
161FPS @ 10GPP
156FPS @ 500Gr
151FPS @ 535Gr
all @ 25" draw.
http://tradgang.com/noncgi/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=125;t=010908;p=2
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Originally posted by Ravenhood:
Keep pulling it back farther till you get the desired speed. LOL
I've been known to catch myself doing this when shooting through a chrono, all of a sudden the tip is on the shelf lol
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Samick sage td 62" recurve 50# 27" draw I got 165 with 2117 and a 125 gr field tip but with a home made bamboo arrow it got 178
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Thanks for all the replies everyone. Guess I have no excuse now! :D
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Omega recurve, 54# at 30", 545 gr arrow at 190 fps. Been working on form and my draw is scratching 31" lately though, which makes for a 57# and a little too much for me. After 50-60 arrows I start short drawing and flinching.
Working on a new bow that's 50# at 31". I'll trade some fps for comfort and accuracy :)
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horse bow don't know but it is :biglaugh: fast enough to kill :biglaugh:
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A wise man(owner of a bow shop) once told me " If you like the way your bow shoots(hits spot on) NEVER crono " he went on to say he had seen to meny archers that could shoot lights out, crono the bow and NOT get the speed advertised. Then they would start to mess :smileystooges: with thier setups(for speed) till they couldn't hit :knothead: anything and the bows became :banghead: very loud. SO if you like the cast :archer2: of your arrow ,speed should be the last consern.
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Bldtrailer, good advice! :readit:
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Originally posted by iohkus:
Bldtrailer, good advice! :readit:
I agree totally, I personally mainly chronograph because I'm building wood bows and I use it as a measure of how efficient the bow is.
Regardless how fast it shoots I add arrow weight until I'm around 150FPS ... becuase that make for the gaps I'm most used to ... I find that sufficient for 35yds point on distance w/ pointer finger at corner of mouth.
By the way, one other nice thing about chronographing is this ... if you repeatedly shoot arrows at the same speed or within 1-2FPS, you know your anchor and release are extremely consistent.
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Hill Country Harvest Master, 58# @ 28, I draw 29.
gold tip 7595 traditional 636gr 180 fps, the first generation of goldtip tradtional were 100gr lighter and I was shooting them at 196fps.
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My specs are in my signature below and I am very satisfied with my results.
I also have a relatively short draw as well and shoot a relatively heavy arrow.
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Well I was at the range after work and decided to see what speed my other bows made.
Trad tech apex with 40# @28 extreme BF limbs shoots a 318 gr arrow at 201fps
Black widow SA 57# @27 shoots a 662gr arrow at 188fps
Quartermoon longbow 53# @29 shoots a 540gr arrow at 176fps
I'm extremely surprised with the Quartermoon as I never really thought it would be that fast as it is so delicate in the hand and smooth to shoot.
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Home brew recurve, belly mount. 62" amo... 60@28" and 175 fps at 10gpp rigged for hunting shot with fingers drawing 28".
The one I made for el greco of the same design shot the same arrow at 185 fps at 28" (9gpp) and 175 at 26" (10gpp), I had made some design mods as the learning progressed and was pleasantly surprised. Shooting his arrows at bout 8.5 gpp at 26" draw which is his draw, it shot mid 190's average. He was a happy camper.
Dave
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So Wildman how you doing these days. Those Morrisons are pretty good bows Huh? I know you probably will never want anything else----- :bigsmyl:
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I have only chronoed my Grozer biocomposite Assyrian. 41# @ 27". 174fps with 400g gt3555 and 185 fps with 345g 1535. Haven't tested my Caribow Peregrine of similar weight but shooting from 20 yards it's noticeably faster..
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Originally posted by Crooked Stic:
So Wildman how you doing these days. Those Morrisons are pretty good bows Huh? I know you probably will never want anything else----- :bigsmyl:
Mike,
I'm retired now, so my supply of fun money has dried up! :( I'll be sticking with the Morrison until I get to the point that I don't feel like hunting anymore.
Bill
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Blackwidow CHX 53@28 I drawl 26.5 with a 517gr arrow I get 177fps standard 14 strand BW string beaver balls over my crony. Widow
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ooops! wrong thread...
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Accuracy with a sharp BH kills, not speed!!
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Finally chrono'd my PSE Talon 58" 44# @ 26" avg 154 fps same arrow same string. Interesting to note the limbs are labeled as 40# @ 28". They are also dynamic limbs.
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Kirkll, that was a different thread. To the Selfbow19953 accuracy comment. This thread is a request for speed. Bare with me. Years ago an archery dealer, me and a farmer were at a shoot. The dealer shot his compound, me a 72# Schulz and the farmer a 50something reverse Hill. At a long antelope shot. We all shot three arrows. We all hit it once. The difference was two of the slow arrows from the reverse were under the antelope, two of mine were just over its back, and the two misses from the compound were gone, must have used the wrong sight pin. When we shot our bows through the local chrono set up, The compound had me beat by 20 fps, I had the reverse beat by about the same. Later the compound dealer tried that reverse and never let it go. He shot a deer with it and swore that no compound ever made could have pulled off the shot he took that killed his buck. How one gets off a shot when things are not a perfect setup has a lot to do with bow design and shooting form. Oh and sticking to the thread. I got 188 with 2018s at my draw, another fellow with a longer draw than mine got a lot more out of my bow, and the 53 pound reverse Hill got 168 with cedars.
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I recently shot two recurves and my long bow throughout a chronograph. My draw length is 29 3/4 and adds 5 pounds to the bows. I shot the same arrow from all three, a Gold Tip 3555 with brass insert and point, total weight 510 grains. Bear Commemorative Super Kodiak/fast flight string 50 @ 28 = 197 fps, 1972 Bear Grizzly/B50 string 45 @ 28 = 185 fps, Bear Montana longbow/ fast flight string 45 @ 28 = 180 fps.
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Sorry pavan, i deleted my last post... wrong thread. :rolleyes:
All these numbers really don't mean anything with GPP and draw weights all over the map....
As a guy gets used to a certain trajectory and is shooting good. If you were to get an accurate speed you could could switch bows at different draw weights and shoot exactly the same if you get the same arrow speed out of the higher or lower draw weight.....
The advantage of a faster arrow is a flatter trajectory that is more forgiving to slight yardage estimate errors... But.... if you have to lower your arrow weight too much to get the speed you like, there are negative trade offs in a hunting bow that need to be considered.
I like keeping all my bows shooting around 190-195 fps.... I go up in draw weight while hunting, and drop down in draw weight while shooting 3D, but all the bows shoot exactly the same if i match the arrow speed accurately with draw weight to arrow weight adjustments.
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I personally never believe that chronos set up at 3d events are to be trusted either. They give out a number and from one 3d shoot to the next I have gotten completely different numbers with the same bow and arrow combination. I shoot Hill style as John Schulz taught. what kills me is where the point of the arrow comes in relation to the target for me compared to everyone else. At 20 yards my point of secondary aim on a deer target on flat ground with me standing is 12 to 14 yards away. To shoot an arrow slow enough to bring the arrow anywhere close enough to make it a precise aiming tool has to be heavier than a fiberglass fishing arrow, I have tried that. I think that is why my point on is so far out as well, it is a triangulation between my eye and the tip of my 27" bop arrows. I do however find that my point on from my favorite 52 pound Robertsons are the same as my my favorite 58 pound Hill style bow with the same arrow.