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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: jrchambers on November 26, 2013, 04:49:00 PM
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i will be shooting a super shrew 58 at 28 drawn to 30.5, currently I shoot a full length ad trad, standard insert with a 175 head I have the ability to up the tip weight by 75 grains, I just seem to shoot better with the lighter setup.
I usualy use 3 blades, ive killed some blackies hogs and deer with razor caps. I began using woodsman extremes this year and killed 2 hogs and 1 buck all but one passthrough
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the one concern is that neither of the hogs or any bears ive shot with them left good blood trails. the bears did die quick. the hogs made it 50 yards with the quarter away and 80 yards with a little high passthrough.
I absolutely do not want to be walking grids looking for a brownie. I want all the penetration but more blood on the ground.
any and all ideas would be welcome, looking at simmons maybe don't know how well a 1 9/16 concave head will pop a rib on a 1k critter
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I'm definitely ignorant when it comes to hunting/shooting bears of any kind so don't put a lot of faith in my advice.
But, going by things I have read, I'm sure you have enough bow for the job. So, as far as arrows go, if it were me going to Alaska to hunt big bears, I would use an arrow weighing about 11 to 13 grains per pound of draw weight and a high quality two-blade head.
Oh yeah, and I would want to get close, REAL close. But, I would most definitely want someone with a BIG rifle close by to back my @$$ up in case browney decided he might know where that sting came from! (I realize I would legally have to have a guide with a back-up rifle if I were to ever be fortunate enough to travel to Alaska to hunt big bear but I don't know about Alaska residents having to do the same)
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I am not required back up, I will be set up no closer than 18 or so, pretty wary animal.
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You should be drawing 64-65# at your DL, go up to a 1.25" VPA 250g 3 blade, that would give you a 660g arrow. This would be a minimum for me, I would like enough whoop a$$ to go through 2 bears.
I'll never forget Monte Browning telling about his Brown Bear, standing in a shallow stream...shot it a 9 steps, his guide was standing next to him with a rifle crapping his pants, "never been that close to a live bear I guess".
Eric
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I have been on several bow shot brown bears. In my opinion penetration is not generally an issue.
A good size hole through the hair is. Personally I would shoot 3 blade or 2 blade with bleeders, 60 lbs and up, 550 grains and up, shots 25 yards and under. Extra shorts dont hurt either. :D
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thanks stick bow, that's what im thinking,
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Stick bow has it dead on... Shot my 10' brown bear in AK this past august
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I like Stickbow's advice. Depends are also a good choice as you can bury them on the spot.
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Extra shorts dont hurt either. [Big Grin]
Stickbow that is funny!
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:
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seriously looking a big simmons, man those leave some holes
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wasapt what head were you using and how long did it take for blood to show on the ground
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Will be looking forward to reading of your adventure.
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Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
I like Stickbow's advice. Depends are also a good choice as you can bury them on the spot.
Check your regulations first though, on National Forrest you probably have to pack them out. :D
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Originally posted by Friend:
Will be looking forward to reading of your adventure.
X2
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Jason,
The Simmons look like wicked heads, especially with bleeder, but I have heard some concern that they may be considered barbed therefore potentially illegal. You can contact Larry Lewis at ADF&G on K-Beach with a picture to get a definative answer.
~CB
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I was worried about that but I think that rule might be gone now il have to look into it
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Jason if you want a 2 blade wide cut look at the Centuar heads,they are build like a tank compared to a Simmons IMO and I have both and the Centuars are on all my arrows now and they are priced very good with either single or double bevel blades.
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holy crap why havnt I looked at centuars before,
they will be in the finals
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Looking forward to hearing how your hunt turns out. A Brown Bear is on my list of to do's. Good luck and keep us posted. I use a magnus II with bleeders. I am sure it would do the job.
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I personally wouldn't worry about blood trails or the lack there of. Razor sharp whatever your choice of broadhead and precision shot placement.
A Magnus II w/small bleeder, or Stinger 4 blade would be all the broadhead you'll need. Each comes in enough weight variations to meet your tuning needs and provide short, ample blood trails, multiple blades and yet not so big as to impede penetration.
Both heads are nearly identical to the broadhead used by Fred Bear on his adventures and he knew a little about what it takes on big dangerous game.
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It's interesting the different experiences people relate when using exactly the same heads.
I started years ago with Magnus two blade 100s, tried a lot of other stuff, came back to the Magnus.
Used the BuzzCuts with bleeders on five animals in Africa with very little blood.
I'm now using the single bevel new Grizzlys.
I think the big Simmons would also be a good choice.
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I think the silver flame xl would be a tougher option than simons or centaur for a screw in head.
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I've never understood the physiology of shot placement and what does and does not precipitate good blood trails with bears. It seems at times like two different shots with two different broadheads that end up in the same place can end up with two different types of blood trails. And while I've certainly never hunted brown bears (although I sure would love to!!!), for black bears, I've always stuck with the same ol’, same ol’ – the Zwickey 2 blade Delta with great results.
With bears, the bottom line is, if you put that 2 or 3 blade broadhead where it needs to be, bears go down much quicker than whitetails. Take whatever setup you shoot most accurately and effectively. Wait for that broadside shot when you can get BOTH lungs and you won't have to worry about a blood trail – the bear will likely go down within sight.
Best wishes for your hunt of a lifetime! Looking forward to reading about it!
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Ibow I know what your saying ive watched all but one of my blackies fall the other one I don't know what happened just tough I guess, but in my limited knowledge of arrows and brownies is the just live longer, I have watched countless videos with great hits and a good bit of time before the bear lays down, my buddy shot one with a gadget head. through and through both lungs, blood 5 foot high on both sides of the alders, the bear still went 100 yards into some really scary stuff. it was very reassuring to be able to look up the blood trail and know he didn't double back yet
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Believe me, trailing a Brownie through thick stuff on a faint to non-existant blood trail is not for anybody with a weak heart! You want to be able to see the blood without taking your eyes off the surrounding fauna. I trailed one that was shot with a gun and had very little blood to follow. While I worked out the trail Brother Bob (the back up with the gun) gave the brush 100% of his attention. Let's just say there are a lot of things that are more pleasant to do when you're in the woods.
This coming spring I will be using my usual 145 grain Eclipse with bleeder blades while hunting Brownies in Alaska.
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I used to guide BB hunts an archery was our bread and butter.
Someone said earlier in the thread how fast they go down when hit right and they are spot on! Not sure if it has something to do with their heart rate or what but it always amazed me, they flat pile up in stride and short order.
I never had a bowhunter fail me (gun hunters, thats a different story).When my hunters made a good shot and that bugger would go quiet within 30-40 seconds I felt like I needed to tip them.
I helped trail a few bad arrow hits with other guides and they were memorable times.
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Originally posted by Stickbow:
When my hunters made a good shot and that bugger would go quiet within 30-40 seconds I felt like I needed to tip them.
I helped trail a few bad arrow hits with other guides and they were memorable times.
That's pretty funny. From a guide's perspective, I can only imagine!
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I will likely be using either a 54# or 59# (conservative style)longbow, routine Douglas Fir shafts (or slightly heavier larch with the 59#), and grizzly BH.
My last brownie, albeit small, went one yard after the hit.
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I believe VPA made some 1.25 inch Terminators a while back...you might find you would get good flight out of a full length Easton FMJ Dangerous Game in .300 spine...those arrows mate nicely with the VPA broadheads
DDave
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I would seriously consider snuffers, 4 blade zwickey deltas or Magnus 1 4 blades. Bears don't bleed well at all. As long as you stay away from the shoulder bones I would think you would be fine.
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No way I would use a wide three blade or a Simmons on a brown bear. A narrower 3 blade like Wensel or VPA etc, yes. Widest 2 blade I would consider would be a Magnus I. Make sure you get two holes! That said, I wouldn't over think the equipment choice either. Most brownies are smaller and softer than most elk.