Trad Gang
Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Iowabowhunter on November 26, 2013, 02:04:00 PM
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Wondering if anyone has shot these shafts?
I'm hoping to shoot Big Jim's Big 3 heads from my Kanati that's on the way.
How do you bareshaft tune these parallel to taper shafts?
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Big AD fan.
I don't bareshaft them. Basically screw on the head I want to use and shoot.
Very, very forgiving. They do seem to perform better the further a bow is cut from center. Your Kanati will like them.
What weight is your Kanati going to be? Draw length?
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That's good to hear, any place that sells them a bit cheaper? Close to $200/dozen isn't going to fly with my better half...
Its a 58 inch 59# @28" DL
Will hopefully shoot the Big 3 300 grain head for everything except moose/buffalo and elk.
Will use my Grizzly's on heavy adapters if I can get the 300 gr head to work.
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Do a search for 'arrow dynamics' and click in the subject only box and you will find TONS of info.
SEVEN pages worth of topics.... :campfire:
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Outstanding shafts in my opinion and shoot very well out of a number of bows. Do as Terry said and conduct a search... Pages and pages of info on them.
Also try Raptor Archery for your order... Ted will more than look after you as his service is second to none.
ak.
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3 Rivers sells them:
AD Trad black shafts are $57.50 for 6, add $47.95 for 12
AD Trad woodgrain shafts are $64.99 for 6, add $55 for 12
AD Hammerheads are $67.50 for 6, add $57.49 for 12
That is a bit cheaper than $200 per doz. on the AD website.
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Pretty much all I shoot anymore.
I shoot broadheads from 125 to 180 grain on the same shafts and they fly like darts if I'm doing my part and not making a sloppy release - even then they fly better than most.
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Just want to make it clear, the AD web site is different that the Arrow Dynamics Sponsor here Even though it says Arrow Dynamics. I don't think he even has prices listed, but Gary is also another Sponsor that carries them.
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Thanks for the heads up guys. Terry-the AD sponsor here does sell the shafts?
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Get mine from 3R.
I agree with Ken (threeunder). Just fletch 'em up. Cut to length and add your broadhead or field point of choice to them.
My Super D (58# @ 29") is really fond of 200 grains up front of an AD Trad shaft!!
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I second the customer service and quality,
the first batch I got four years ago were breaking left and right just due to angle shots.
raptor archery and the actual ad maker contacted me and sent a new dozen, since then the only ones that broke were done so by critters that they didn't go all the way through, and they usualy go all the way through
by the way what is the BIG 3 head
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Another tid bit of AD info, I like the glue-in/glue-on adapters for BH. Was PM'ing with Joe at Tough-Head about the brass Glue-in/Glue-on adapters for 11/32 shafts, it says they fit Grizzly Sticks, turns out they are .285...same size as the AD inserts.
So you can get upto a 200g insert and glue on your favorite BH and eliminate the weak link of a screw in insert.
Thats what I'm gonna do anyway...
Eric
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jrchambers-Big Jim (sponsor here) has VPA make him a 3 blade screw on 300 grain broadhead. Same quality as the VPA heads, only difference is that the Big Jim Big 3 broadheads have a diameter of 1 1/2", whereas VPA usually only has 1 1/8....sometimes they do a special run of 1 1/4
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Thanks for the heads up about the subject only part of the search function, makes my life searching on here a bunch easier!!
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Got my AD's from the Nocking Point, a sponsor here.
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AD trad is my favorite shaft. I can shot this out of 50 pound to 59 pound bows. I don't know the physics of it, but wow.
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Should I be able to shoot the AD Trad Lite out of a 58-59# Kanati with 300 grain heads?
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I would think the AD Trads would be a better fit
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I would get the test kit from 3 Rivers. Bu would also suspect Trads.
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AD Trads for that bow weight.
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I am somewhat new to the AD shafts, but in my opinion they should be called Arrow Magic. I cut them, fletch them, and shoot them. That is how easy it is. My bows below 56# shoot the Lite and the ones over 56# shoot the Trad. I tried a field tip test kit with my 64# Whippenstick, and was able to hit a 3" bullseye from 15 yards with the entire kit, which is 100 to 315 grains. It was truly amazing. I have never seen an arrow so forgiving. They are also tough as heck.
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Ordered a test kit a week ago….nice stuff to hear! Love my FMJ's but gotta be progressive and try new stuff!
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Gary Hunsicker has advised me to go with the Trad Lites since I will be putting a 300 grain head on there. Said it spines about 72 pounds or so?
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Jacob shot me a PM and I can send you a trad light and trad to you for testing fee of charge,just let me know arrow length so I can cut it for you first and install the inserts. I can also include a 300 gr field tip. IMO the trad lites my be weak with your set up. I shoot a 53lbs@29 longbow also with the regular insert/trad lites and 250 field point and it is border line weak.
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Thank you very much, that would save me a lot of heartache if I were to buy the wrong shafts then have to worry about trying to sell them and not lose to much $ with shipping and everything else.
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Jacob,
I have a bunch of experience with these shafts, all I shoot. For my 52-55# bows I shoot AD Hammerhead lites, but the AD Trads shoot just fine also. Above 55# I shoot AD Trads. I like the AD Hammerhead lites (11.5gpi) because they are very close in weight to the AD Trads (11gpi). That being said, I can also shoot AD Nitor Stinger green/orange and gold out of all my bows. Every shaft I own has a 100 gr brass insert and I shoot 250 to 300 gr heads.
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Got your PMs Jake they will go out this wkend or Monday.
By the way a 29.25 in Trad shaft with flecth,nock,insert and 300gr point weights in at 672grs.
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Mr Rowan-does AD make their own heavy inserts, or can I use one from GoldTip/Easton?
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I been shooting them just about a year. You can bare shaft them but I think paper is best. You can also just shoot them. I like to get them tuned to the sweet spot for point weight and then I can go up or down a little with point weight from there if I want.
I started with Trad lites wood grain. They shot great in a lot of stuff, but I did have to change point weight some for some bows. I got some hammer head lites and didn't have the best luck with them. I think they shot a lot stiffer. Too heavy for me with all the weight I put on them to get them to shoot well. I traded them for Trad lite black shafts.
Now I have noticed that the wood and black are not the same stiffness. I have to shoot the black with about 100 gr or so less point weight. Both are flexible on point weight but there is a range difference. I don't know if this is typical or one of my shaft sets is off.
Right now i am shooting them out of my MOABs. I draw to 29 so my weights are higher than listed for my bows but not as high as you will be.
51@28 cut to center with calf hair plate Trad lite wood 31" 100 gr insert 175 point.
53@28 cut out from center a little 30.5" Black 100 insert 175 point.
The center cut is a big factor. The wood on the 53 is stiff in paper and the black weak in the 51#.
To get ideal flight in paper I have to go at least 250 point on the wood on the 53# and drop down to about 100 point in the 51 with black shaft. This is with 100 gr inserts in both.
I think I could shot the wood Trad lite on the 53 with standard insert and 300 gr point drawn to 30" for about 58# draw weight and get a very close to ideal tune.
I don't know of my wood lites are typical or not but they handle a lot of point weight.
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Inserts for ADS are larger than standard inserts so you have to get the AD inserts.
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I shoot the wood grain lites in anything 50-60 pounds. They are very forgiving, and very tough. At a long distance shoot (100 yards) with a stiff crosswind, they brought many comments as to how straight they were flying, compared to all the parallel carbons people were shooting. I just cut them to my length and screwed on a 100gr. field point (no tuning) 51@28 Palmer
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Jacob,
Todd has it correct, AD inserts have to be used. Several sponsers carry them, 3 Rivers, Raptor Archery and others. Also, I use Easton G nocks with the Uni bushing made for AD shafts instead of the AD nocks.
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Extreme 312, I'm think the stiffness varies from batch to batch. I don't know if wood grain has anything to do with it.
Sometime in the last 2-3 years the stiffness of the AD TRAD Black jumped up to about 105-110 on my spine tester. I had to add 75-100 grains of point weight. I fought that because my old ones worked so well and that is a significant amount of weight. But I got used to it and like them. Parallel have been too sensitive for me.
I'm ready top order a new batch. Thinking of getting 2 doz. The first thing I'll do is spine test them.
Anyone put em on a spine tester lately?