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Title: tiller and tuning
Post by: DanielB89 on October 08, 2013, 09:05:00 PM
If i shoot split and have the arrows flying good for it and i can swap and shoot 3 under without a nock adjustment, is it safe to assume that the nocking point is not exactly right for shooting split?  

Sorry if that was super confusing.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: 3dmuzzy on October 08, 2013, 09:09:00 PM
Mine is tillered for split and I shoot 3 under and it shoots fine.If I were to get one custom made than I would get it tillered for the way you shoot. >>>>-----> ED
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: DanielB89 on October 08, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
Thanks Ed.

So you don't think you would be able to tell a difference between the two tillering options?
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: hitman on October 08, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
3 finger under sometimes needs nocking point a little higher.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: DanielB89 on October 10, 2013, 03:58:00 PM
anyone?
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: olddogrib on October 10, 2013, 04:26:00 PM
Some folks can switch between split and 3-under without a nock point adjustment just fine.  Don't assume anything, you may be one of the lucky ones.  On the flip side, you can take a poor release and a bad grip and make otherwise well-tuned arrows do horrible things!
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: xtrema312 on October 10, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
I have a bow I think is tillered even, and I shoot the same nock height 3u and split. I might tweak it a bit for broad heads,  but shoots in paper and bare shafts about the same both ways.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: McDave on October 10, 2013, 06:14:00 PM
I bare shaft tune, and find that I need to set the nock point 1/8 - 1/4" higher for 3 under than for split to get the same bare shaft flight.

That said, string walkers will hold the string anywhere from at the nock to several inches below the nock, and they certainly don't change their nock point when they change their string grip.  And, some of them can be so accurate that string walking is banned at most trad tournaments.

That's about all I know about string walking. I guess they just don't worry about the effect their string grip has on their arrow tune, since the net result is that they shoot more accurately doing it.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: Al Dean on October 10, 2013, 06:17:00 PM
Yes.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: DanielB89 on October 10, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
thanks guys.  I appreciate all the replies.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: Friend on October 10, 2013, 11:18:00 PM
How have you ascertained that you are achieving excellent flight for the two aforementioned methods?
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: Bowjunkie on October 11, 2013, 06:01:00 AM
It's all about limb timing relative to the shooter's holds. A bow that shoots well both split and three under is obviously tiimed someplace between the two optimums, so it works 'good enough' for both.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: DanielB89 on October 11, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
I didn't, i just noticed that with split the arrow flies well(no obvious fish tailing, etc.  But with 3 under it flies perfect.
Title: Re: tiller and tuning
Post by: CLOVIS on October 11, 2013, 01:11:00 PM
I was a string walker back in the 70s and built my own bows. I shot Bear 312 metric magnums and tillered my bows to 3/8" pos. 50# @ 28" Had as good an arrow flite as anyone could ask for. It also shot well for split finger. I also used a Hoyt pro rest or a feather rest. Later some of the people that were getting there arse kicked changed the rules. One finger must be in contact with the nock and you must shoot off the shelf.If you can find a Hoyt pro rest or a feather rest try it and you may be surprised how much better things may be.  Just my 2 cents worth.