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Hi all,
well I finally received my stunning new bow. aside from being four months behind and it being built right handed instead of left handed its pretty great.
however... I've noticed a crack near the shelf, it loooooks like it might just be the glass, but should I be worried about this?
I really hope not, as I've given it to my dad, (due to not being able to shoot it on account of the wrong hand build)
There are soooo many reasons in your post that would cause me to ask for a refund.
X2...
Bad accident waiting to happen.... unstring it and return it for a refund like yesterday...
That is a pretty common location for a crack. It needs to be fixed or it will spread. I would do like others have suggested-get a refund.
If it came with a crack and it was built wrong handed it would be going back for a refund in either case.
You need to send it back and have your bowyer build you a new riser.
Built for the wrong hand and shipped cracked?! You definitely need to get a refund and I were you, I would take my business elsewhere.
yeah I unafraid that was the case. this particular bowyer has been around a long time and had a great reputation but this was pretty much his last effort. it was a nightmare getting it done and I'm in Australia so it will be 100 just to get it back, further more,my Dad has taken some big hits lately and he was so happy when I gave him this one I just don't want to tell him it's a dud. Is it really screwed or is there a chance I can salvage it, possibly locally?
I don't even know, I'm trying to be positive but it's getting harder and harder...
I think I would be returning it for a refund & find another bowyer.
update. Spoke to the bowyer, could have happened in the post, everything is insured, hopefully we can sort it out... lucky I have a spot on big Jim's list coming up if it ends up being a refund job as I don't think the bowyer wants to make any more...
it looks like a wood issue honestly. Some woods are more natorious for this than others. It really looks like the crack is following the heartwood/sapwood line which likely spells trouble!
Its not the crack I'm used to seeing (right in the corner where the shelf-site window meet, and I have yet to have a good answer for this problem also)! I've had a number of higher end bows crack in that corner both front and/or back on the bow, all hairlines on both bows from well known bowyers and small time boywers. Not one has had a good explination for it. One refunded 2 bows on order and the third that cracked stating I would NEVER be happy, which was highly dissappointing, others I picked up used and they either developed the crack (on newer bows) or had it on older ones.
If that crack is following the grain it could likely be a bad failure in the making. It likely didnt happen at the post office unless your postal worker went...well, postal and wrapped it around something.
If you can open it up, you could force thin epoxy or ca glue down it...and pin it on either end of the crack to stop it from moving. but it doesnt resolve a potential inner flaw in the wood. the best answer is to send it back or hang it up on the wall.
In the end, I wouldnt blame a bowyer for this one by the picture alone, atleast in my eyes, that crack hits the heartwood/sapwood area and follows it. bowyers are good, but they're not miracle workers ;) .
QuoteOriginally posted by jsparky93:
I think I would be returning it for a refund & find another bowyer.
I agree with this! X2
It doesn't crack unless there is stress . If there is stress it will crack more ! If it cracks more..........
The simple answer is: Yes!
Dead, that's not entirely true. Dealing with a natural material theirs plenty of hidden problems. Action wood or some other man made composite is almost impervious to these problems. If an synthetic wood look alike cracked than I would agree its stress. Wood arrows are a good example at hidden treasures. How often during initial straightening do we bust shafts..... For me it's expected anymore!
If you cannot come up with another solution try a wicking super glue such as Loctite 420...it will fix the immediate issue and hopefully stop any further problem
DDave
I don't like the fact that it's cracking along the sapwood line. Might indicate that the wood was not totally dry and is drying under the finish. Get some Loctite 420 and fill the crack. Let it wick in until it's full, give it a day to dry and sand smooth. If your careful, you may not need to refinish the riser.
Then keep a close eye on it.
Not the perfect solution but it may do the trick.
Mike
I bought a used bow that had a hidden crack on the side of the riser at the shelf. It barely peeked out from under the shelf leather. It was micro but bothered me. I contacted the bowyer and he agreed to look at it and I was willing to pay for the repair and even a new riser if necessary. He received the bow and kept it for a few months as he tried to fit the time into his busy schedule to see what he could do.
He repaired the crack and sent the refinished riser back to me good as new.
The bow is around 20 years old. The bowyer is a phenomenal man and craftsman. He accepted a bow he had made nearly two decades ago and fixed it at no charge. He didn't want return shipping charges either. It was not his craftsmanship that failed, it was obviously the wood, as could be expected with age and use. I am still trying to find a way to repay him. I'll eventually think of something, but I cannot say enough about this bowyer as a craftsman or as a human being.
I am still floored and humbled at what he did for me.
Return your bow and get a refund.
That is ziricote and that is not a sap line. Unfortunately a common place to have a crack. You can try to wick some thin supper glue in there, but it is helpful if it were sanded above and below so the air can escape and to facilitate the sipping action. Unfortunately it is messy. Not likely it will kill the riser (unless it is of a heavier draw weight), but very likely you may loose a chunk off of the shelf. If you can get a good thin cyano glue penetration and then seal the outside (even with the glue itself) It may never give you another problem.
To quote a famous bowyers words "without superglue and touch up, I would quit building bows" or something like that.
If it was exposed to some severe climate changes during shipping, it could be the culprit. Cracks that exist during the spraying process are obvious and Identify ably so.
BigJIm
That is ziricote and that is not a sap line. Unfortunately a common place to have a crack. You can try to wick some thin supper glue in there, but it is helpful if it were sanded above and below so the air can escape and to facilitate the sipping action. Unfortunately it is messy. Not likely it will kill the riser (unless it is of a heavier draw weight), but very likely you may loose a chunk off of the shelf. If you can get a good thin cyano glue penetration and then seal the outside (even with the glue itself) It may never give you another problem.
To quote a famous bowyers words "without superglue and touch up, I would quit building bows" or something like that.
If it was exposed to some severe climate changes during shipping, it could be the culprit. Cracks that exist during the spraying process are obvious and Identify ably so.
BigJIm
Thanks for the advice everyone, I guess I'll have to see how we go. It's fairly light at 44 pounds so it might be able to be salvaged. I would have just sent it back and had another made but the bowyer has apparently sold all his gear so I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do.
I hope it is nice enough looking to be a mantle-piece because that's what I'd be doing with it.
For you bowyers is Zircote as a wood more prone to this situation?...
I can tell by the photo who built that bow, im sure he will make it right one way or the other.
as far as repair, if it comes to that, here is what I would do.
Take a q tip with denatured alchohol (would not use acetone, mek or anything that harsh on finish). Dip the q tip in the d.a., then just "touch" the crack in a few spots. This will let the alchohol wick or "pull" down into the crack.
Allow a few minutes for the d.a. to dry thoroughly.
Get some of the "water" thin super glue from your local hobby store, if there isn't one you can order it or maybe find it at a hardware store etc. I would say its worth the extra effort to get the really thin stuff, as it will wick down into the crack way better then the standard viscous superglue.
With a TINY hole in the tip add only a few drops at a time into the crack. DONT overdue it and get superglue all over your bow. Be sure and just use tiny drops with a very very small hole in the tip (small as you can get it). Keep a lint free cloth handy to quickly wipe off any excess etc.
You can lightly sand with 400 grit then steel wool when you have the crack glued up.
Just use common sense, go slow, be patient.
I would most likely send it back to the bowyer to have it repaired as I would hate to try something myself and mess it up further. Add on top of that that it was built to shoot with the wrong hand. It would definitely be going back.
Gator1, zircote is no more prone than a lot of other commonly used bow woods. The key is to have good dry wood to start with and to keep it in a low humidity area until properly sealed (nothing is ever completely sealed).
BigJIm
Well said BigJim, the woods need to be properly dried and acclimated to the area of bowyers area to properly build a great bow. Hopefully he can fill with the loctite 420 glue and all will be good.
I had a very heavy bow made from actionwood with a similar crack
i fixed mine with 24 hour . i prefer this glue for the long dry time which allows it to really seep in and it also fills the crack. just hea tthe glue to around 50 degrees and it flows well.
i dont think this will be the end of the bow, especially at only 44#
cheers
also, i think there are some bowyers in australia who might fix it.
Nick Lintern - norseman bows
Mark Kimber - huntsman bows
Ausbow industies - Goolwa SA
are possible ones to try. which state you in?
I'd just like to say a sincere thank you to all the bowyers and people who have weighed in on this. I'm feeling good about the prospects!
QuoteOriginally posted by VictoryHunter:
Built for the wrong hand and shipped cracked?! You definitely need to get a refund and I were you, I would take my business elsewhere.
THIS!!!
I do not think the crack should be there and I am sure the bowyer would like to replace it.