I am having problems with my broadheads. I feel like my problem is that my arrows aren't 'perfectly' spined for my bow.
When i shoot my field tips, they fly great, even at long distances (40 yards), but when i shoot my muzzy 3 blade 125 grains, from 40 yards they are not consistent at all.
My bow: R/d longbow i build 2 years ago. Comes in right at #58 @ 29. My arrows are Ted Nugent zebra striped 5575's cut to 30.5" with 100 grain brass inserts installed. I have shot with as much as 275 up front and as little as 130. Can't seem to get them to fly perfectly.
Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Daniel
If the bow is not cut to center, I would say the arrows are to stiff. Make sure your draw length is actually 29. Not saying it's not, but some times drawlength is shorter than you think. Muzzy's on carbon usually fly real well.
Make sure your release is good. Form troubles really show up with broadheads. Good luck.
well, i actually think i draw past 29 because the arrows are 30.5 and my knuckle touched one of the broadheads today while shooting.
Probably the wrong spine/head weight...
When testing a new bow or new arrows, I always put about 2 bare shafts in with my fletched arrows. Then I shoot different distances and use different weight heads. That, for me, usually gets me close on spine. Then I follow up with broadheads about a month before the hunting season.
I hope that helps. ... Several other things you can do to tune as well.
Muzzys don't always fly well. I've seen it a lot with wheel bows. Typically it can be tuned but sometimes not.
If you are using straight fletch with broadheads it will make the arrows plane.
I am using a slight left helical. I will say that it is not as much as i would like it to be but it is what i have.
**Update**
Well i noticed that my shelf was not cut back to past center so i sanded some on it and got it much closer. Now that arrows are hitting on the same plane diagonally, but the broadheads are hitting about 5" lower than the field tips.
What it looks like to me is that for some reason the nocks are kicking up a little and the broadhead steers the shots low.
Any suggestions? I have kind of messed with the nock height, but i am no expert so i would like some suggestions.
also when the arrows are in flight, i can hear them the whole way to the target, i'm assuming that means they are not flying perfectly straight.
When you say they don't fly perfectly. . what do you mean ? How are they not perfect ?
What type and size fletch are you using ?
ChuckC
I'd recommend going to this link: http://www.acsbows.com/bowtuning.html
and learn as much as you can about tuning. Most of your questions will be answered. As far as noise goes, a broadhead with holes in the blades is going to be a lot noisier than a solid blade.
I agree about studying that tuning information.Always remember to only change ONE thing at a time.With 100 gr inserts,you may have too much weight up front,depending on how the sight window is cut.A standard insert and then going through various point weights may help.There may be a nocking point height issue as well but only change ONE thing at a time.
You might ask Shawn Leonard for suggestions about point weight.Maybe he'll chime in.
Make sure your broadheads are on perfectly straight... stand the arrow on it's point and give it a spin. If you see ANY wobble where the shaft meets the broadhead fix it.
A poorly mounted broadhead won't fly well and will be noisier than otherwise. All the adjustment in the world of nocking point, etc. will do no good if the broadheads aren't on straight.
QuoteOriginally posted by ChuckC:
When you say they don't fly perfectly. . what do you mean ? How are they not perfect ?
What type and size fletch are you using ?
ChuckC
I mean they are not hitting where my field points are. They are about hitting 5" lower than my field points.
I am shooting 5" LW parabolic feathers on a slight left helical.
Shawn has helped me out tremendously so far as far as point weight, etc.
I have shot the broadheads with 225 up front and also 275 up front. From what Shawn says, these two weights should be spot on.
As far as form and consistency goes, i am pretty consistent with my field tips.
For what it is worth before I used an elevated rest and plunger I shot off the shelf. I could not shoot some broadheads at all. Some shot great. My guess is that you need to find the right broadhead. I bet an original Wensel Woodsman would shoot just fine.
Bill brings up an excellent point. What head are you using. Woodsman is hard to beat for good arrow flight. What are you using?
Charlie I think he said Muzzy.
Usually if everything is good except hitting lower than field points I would be moving the nocking point down a little at a time to see if it is better or worse.
Some bhs just don't fly well. Not that yours are bad, but some arrows/bows just don't play well with some bhs. Have you tried any others?
I couldnt get muzzy's to fly good out of a mathews...much less a stickbow! Good luck! Dont be afraid to change!
Ron... I looked at the post and missed it twice. Duh!Thanks.
Put away the Muzzy's and get some Woodsmans.
I agree on the Woodsmans. Have never had bad flight that I didn't cause.
Well, i am using muzzy's and unfortunately i am out of "hunting funds" right now.(The tough life of a college student). So i will have to stick with what i have for now.
I started moving the nock down some and it did make a difference. Is 1/2" normal? It flies very good with the nock height around 1/2".
I always shot my field tips right about 5/8" and they flew well..
It makes me wonder how good i could have been shooting all this time with the proper nock height..
But i will check the classifieds and see if i can find some within my budget. I have about $20 left that i alotted out for hunting accessories.
Would you guys recommend a 2 blade or a 3 blade?
There are a lot of good, inexpensive broad heads out there. Zwickeys will probably be the most economical for you.
You didn't say if you are nocking above or below the arrow. I'd suggest, if you already aren't, using two nock sets, one below and one above the arrow. Leave a small (1/16") gap so that your arrow isn't pinched at full draw. Two nock sets will prevent your arrow from sliding on the string, which will screw with your tuning.
In regards to nock height, it needs to be what it needs to be. I usually start with the lower nock at 3/8" above parallel and adjust from there. Make sure you don't go too low, or you can get some screwy results. The shaft will bounce off the shelf and give you a false low reading.
1/2" is pretty normal. Field points are far more forgiving.
As mentioned above, if the broadhead is not concentric(perfectly aligned) with the shaft the arrow will not fly well. I put my arrows horizontally on "V" blocks and roll the arrow with the point against a vertical surface. Any misalignment will be obvious by watching the point tip. If it is off, the tip will move in a small circle.
Thank you guys for all your responses and help! I will do that when i get my string reserved. A guy offered to build me a few new strings as part of a deal and he served them with the wrong sized serving so my nocks are pretty loose.
Flying Dog, i will attempt to do this test, thanks.
So if i get the zwickies, would you recommend 2, 3 or 4 blade? Is there one that is typically more forgiving than another?
Are you shooting with split fingers? Or 3 under? That will have an impact, pardon the pun :) , on where your nock point needs to be.
Bill
QuoteOriginally posted by DanielB89:
Thank you guys for all your responses and help! I will do that when i get my string reserved. A guy offered to build me a few new strings as part of a deal and he served them with the wrong sized serving so my nocks are pretty loose.
Flying Dog, i will attempt to do this test, thanks.
So if i get the zwickies, would you recommend 2, 3 or 4 blade? Is there one that is typically more forgiving than another?
I'm only familiar with 2 and 4 blade Zwickeys, I don't think they make a 3-blade. At any rate, they are all good heads. I've had great success with the Delta 4-blades.
i shoot split. Well would you recommend the 2 blade or the 4 blades? Does anyone have some 2 blade zwickies for sale?
Daniel if you want a few woodsmans to try out I have some of the glue on's that I would be happy to let you try and see if you liked them.
James, thank you for the offer. Hopefully we can get together one day before the season starts.
Daniel,
I've got some 125 grain & some 145 grain Snuffers you are welcome to try. I'll probably run down to Monroe sometime this weekend. Let me know if you wanna try them and I'll get them to you.
Charlie
Charlie,
Thank you for the offer. I am waiting on my zwickies still from a friend so if they don't turn up I will Message you.
Tha m you for the offer.
Not trying to be a smart guy but if you can't get the Muzzys to fly trying another broadhead isn't the cure. If your bow is tuned, you don't have any arrow contact on the shelf and your broadheads spin true it shouldn't make any difference what brand broadhead you shoot.
I guess I forgot to express that I found out the problem. The problem was my nocking point was about 1/8" too high but it wasn't significant enough that my irks points showed ANY signs of a bad nocking point. My field points shot great even out to 40 yards.
If your nocks are that loose I would put on a double nocking point, sound like some or all of your arrows are slipping on the string.
If your nocks are that loose I would put on a double nocking point, sound like some or all of your arrows are slipping on the string.
Ranger, i will do that. Thanks!