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Title: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 05, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
I am recently having a disturbing number of destroyed arrows from bad luck robin hoods. Breaks my heart (and my wallet) to see a good arrow go this way. What do you do to prevent them splitting?

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Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: on September 05, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
I've got a pile just like that! The only way to prevent it is to shoot only one arrow at a time or shoot different spots with each arrow.

It is bittersweet though! It is a sign that you are really shooting well, and at the same time, is money in the trash can!

Bisch
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: The Vanilla Gorilla on September 05, 2013, 12:34:00 PM
Pull your arrows sooner or move back from the target.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: longrifle346 on September 05, 2013, 12:39:00 PM
yep, got a pile of them myself. I learned to shoot multiple targets....
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: sticksnstones on September 05, 2013, 12:47:00 PM
I put "Carbon Express Bulldog Nock Collar" for the "Aramid KV 350" on the backs of my Heritage 250s. I drove one arrow right through the target with another last fall, and neither was damaged beyond this:

  (http://thomjorgensen.com/bows/robinhood1.jpg)  

On my 350s I'm using .25" of xx78 2315 shaft as a rear footing for the same purpose. I haven't had a hard impact on this setup yet but I hope for the same results when it does eventually happen.
Thom
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 05, 2013, 12:57:00 PM
That's brilliant! Does it come in sizes for GT trads?
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: McDave on September 05, 2013, 01:05:00 PM
I find that plucking the string helps to avoid them.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: hedgerowhuntr on September 05, 2013, 01:17:00 PM
Bad form and mismatched arrows... Works everytime   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: 4dogs on September 05, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
:laughing:
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: blueslfb on September 05, 2013, 01:34:00 PM
Dropping your bow arm and "peeking" to see if you get a robin hood pretty much prevents them too.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 05, 2013, 01:36:00 PM
LOL! I did all those and I still get split shafts. As I said before those are due to bad luck not skill.   :laughing:
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: ranger 3 on September 05, 2013, 01:38:00 PM
I think Three Rivers sell them.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Rick Richard on September 05, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
Let me shoot your arrows.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Alexander Traditional on September 05, 2013, 01:44:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Rick Richard:
Let me shoot your arrows.
That's pretty funny and that's me to!   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Mudd on September 05, 2013, 01:54:00 PM
Shooting out of "the bucket" has worked well for me.

Ask anyone who has been here shooting with me about this little trick....lol

I've gotten more lax over the years and am not as insistent that everyone has to shoot out of "the bucket" these days.

God bless,Mudd
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: MCS on September 05, 2013, 02:00:00 PM
I should have such problems.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: John146 on September 05, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by McDave:
I find that plucking the string helps to avoid them.
Yes Sir.  :biglaugh:    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: JMR on September 05, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
I have no problem preventing them! I've only Robin Hooded 2 arrows in my life.(completely by accident)
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: recurve maine on September 05, 2013, 05:02:00 PM
Let me shoot, that will prevent them....7 years shooting and I haven't had 1 yet
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Bldtrailer on September 05, 2013, 06:04:00 PM
It might help by "footing" 1/4 inch  the nock area of your arrow (buy from 3 rivers or make yourself)
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Mike Mecredy on September 05, 2013, 06:09:00 PM
you need to just quit shooting so dang good.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: ermont on September 05, 2013, 06:34:00 PM
Shoot like I do and your worries will evaporate.I'll give you classes and won't charge much.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: JMG on September 05, 2013, 06:39:00 PM
:laughing:  @ Mike,,,
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: ermont on September 05, 2013, 06:42:00 PM
I'm sorry I have to agree, that's like saying "Guys, my wife is too hot, what do I do?"
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: doubleo on September 05, 2013, 06:43:00 PM
That's a good problem to have. But it looks like you can only shoot one arrow at a time.   :D
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: TroutGuide on September 05, 2013, 06:50:00 PM
I almost always pick a different spot around the target to avoid and use footed arrows as well. No problems since, nocks will bust but arrows seem okay. The ones I hate are when an arrow sags down and gets cut by another.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 05, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
Thanks for the helpful and funny responses guys. Robin hoods are cool at first but it ain't fun anymore as I need to order my 3rd dozen GT trads. I was hoping to hear of some magic combination of nock or point. Looks like I need to improve my shooting so I can park each arrow right next to the previous one or get some footing on the end of the shaft.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 05, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
Thanks for the helpful and funny responses guys. Robin hoods are cool at first but it ain't fun anymore as I need to order my 3rd dozen GT trads. I was hoping to hear of some magic combination of nock or point. Looks like I need to improve my shooting so I can park each arrow right next to the previous one or get some footing on the end of the shaft.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: black velvet on September 05, 2013, 08:18:00 PM
Shoot one arrow pick it up, repeat or learn to shoot lousy like me.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Bear Heart on September 05, 2013, 08:32:00 PM
Increase distance.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: tippit on September 05, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
If you wrap Kevlar fly tying thread at the base of your knock, it will hold against a split shaft.  I once had a compound guy robin hood one of my self nock wood arrows...only mushroomed the nock.  The guy couldn't believe it.  I just told him my wood arrows were stronger than his bow  :)
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Kingsnake on September 05, 2013, 10:03:00 PM
The only "Robin Hood" you really need to prevent repeating is that lame Kevin Costner movie....

  :rolleyes:

(Sorry)

Kingsnake
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 05, 2013, 10:08:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by tippit:
If you wrap Kevlar fly tying thread at the base of your knock, it will hold against a split shaft.  I once had a compound guy robin hood one of my self nock wood arrows...only mushroomed the nock.  The guy couldn't believe it.  I just told him my wood arrows were stronger than his bow   :)  
That's funny.   :biglaugh:
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: gringol on September 05, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
Close your eyes.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: VictoryHunter on September 05, 2013, 10:29:00 PM
Stop shooting so well! When I shoot now I only shoot with one arrow. Shoot it and then retrieve.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Gen273 on September 05, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
Just let me shoot your arrows and they will be very safe from a Robin Hood.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: bowhuntingrn on September 06, 2013, 11:21:00 AM
The nock collars don't always work... this was my first and only, about 6 weeks ago, in 28 years...including my wheels days.

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Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Lucas K on September 06, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
Back up, try 40- 50 yards
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Bladepeek on September 06, 2013, 12:23:00 PM
You know, if I could do that consistently, I'd consider the cost reasonable   :)
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: recurve maine on September 06, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
^ I would agree, if I could shoot robin hoods consistently, I would actually tell my wife what my 2 dozen FMJ's actually cost!!!
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: BAK on September 06, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
Actually, the type of tip your using can make a difference.   There are screw ins that are more of a rounded blunt shape that don't have such a tendancy to bore down the shaft.  

That or do like most of us who've had a few and just stop trying to shoot groups.  Like you've found it's fun to stack them together but not so much to replace them.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Slickhead on September 06, 2013, 04:06:00 PM
never had that problem LOL
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: northener on September 06, 2013, 04:52:00 PM
BAK is on the right track, I found bullet style points do not have the tendency to "grab" onto the nock as field point and combination points. Also the nocks you use can make a big difference, I have found eastons super nock or bohnings signature nock to be the best at avoiding robin hoods.

I also use Easton uni bushing on my aluminums, they also seem to help with not getting robin hoods.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: ronp on September 06, 2013, 06:15:00 PM
Shoot bareshaft arrows that aren't quite the right spine for you bow.  Works for me!
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Ray Hammond on September 06, 2013, 07:38:00 PM
Back up your groups will widen
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: achigan on September 06, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by McDave:
I find that plucking the string helps to avoid them.
:laughing:  
Thanks, I needed that!
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: Nativestranger on September 06, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by northener:
BAK is on the right track, I found bullet style points do not have the tendency to "grab" onto the nock as field point and combination points. Also the nocks you use can make a big difference, I have found eastons super nock or bohnings signature nock to be the best at avoiding robin hoods.

I also use Easton uni bushing on my aluminums, they also seem to help with not getting robin hoods.
Thanks for all the info guys. I need to shoot groups at 20 yards as I am currently practicing for a local trad shoot.  I think I may have found the root cause. I am using Saunders point with very sharp tip. Now let's see if I can get some bullet points and bohning nocks.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: ronp on September 06, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
Seriously, why are you shooting at the same spot?  Shoot at a different spot on your target each shot.  When I am shooting at my best, I just shoot at different spots on my target to avoid nicking my arrows.
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: huntmaster80 on September 06, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
shoot more like me!!!!
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: tecum-tha on September 09, 2013, 12:26:00 PM
I would say your method of training is not very beneficial to develop your shooting skills imho.
Your first arrow is in no way in the kill of this turkey target. Arrow number 2 and 3 are virtually in the same spot as arrow number one. Very limited learning effect imho.
If you want to shoot passes of up to 6 arrows, then use 3 small field bunnies = old black and white 6" dia. field archery targets, or check here for self-printable version:
  http://rsengineering.de/How-to/Bunny.pdf  
Shoot one arrow at target one. If reasonably close to your aimpoint (inner black and white up to 12 yards, full target up to 25 yards), shoot no more and move to target 2. If you're out of the intended target area with your first arrow, then shoot a second one at the same target. It trains your brain like that.....
Make sure to hang bunnies in a random manner, because you have to be able to send the arrow where you want it. No matter if close to the ground (small game), a little higher (turkey), deer kill height or elk kill height....
Title: Re: How to prevent robin hoods?
Post by: -snypershot317- on September 09, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
haha thats a problem i would love to have (seems how ive somehow accumulated a couple dozen shafts over the years    :rolleyes:  ) but back in my wheelie days i would shoot at different spots on the target- like others have said before- or change tactics completely and go stumping with grasshopper points or judo's (whatever you want to call'em) the points with the wires on em    :p  and then usually you only get one shot...helped broaden my effective range especially when it came to gigging frogs, you only get one shot or get busted    :knothead: