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Title: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: acollins on August 15, 2013, 06:35:00 PM
What has been the hardest obstacle you have had to overcome in your shooting? I feel my form is good and consistent but I have major trouble picking a spot.  I will shoot draw  and release and be way off and I know I never even focused on anything but an 18" target no a specific spot on that target.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: ChuckC on August 15, 2013, 07:04:00 PM
Target panic was the worst.  Because of my brain telling me to "release" I couldn't shoot consistently at all.  One minute I am shooting puff balls off of dandelions and the next, I release at about 20" of draw.  I tried everything I could think of and that I read about.

Finally I switched to left handed shooting (last fall), and although I am still learning, it is amazing how consistently I can now draw, stretch out, hold to actually aim, then release.  The accuracy is good and I believe will get better and better.  

I am having fun shooting again and  "I"  am controlling the shot.

ChuckC
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: KOOK68 on August 15, 2013, 07:06:00 PM
Holding too long, waiting for the shot to "materialize"
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Post by: Over&Under on August 15, 2013, 07:12:00 PM
Target panic for me too...it can really mess with ya.
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Post by: longbow fanatic 1 on August 15, 2013, 07:18:00 PM
I have trouble trying to look at a spot and hit it. I cannot visualize the flight of the arrow and  I'm way too inconsistent. I've tried many different shooting styles, as we all have I'm sure. I finally found a style that is working for me. What a journey!
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: Gdpolk on August 15, 2013, 07:19:00 PM
Picking a spot on larger targets is the hardest for me.  I tend to shoot for specific spots when stumping and do a lot of small game hunting.  The psychological aspect of isolating a small aiming point on deer/hogs really takes a lot of concentration for me.  It's the part of archery that feels least natural.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: mountain lion on August 15, 2013, 07:20:00 PM
Target panic for sure, and always double guessing myself
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: David Mitchell on August 15, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
ChuckC, I did the very same thing as you--switched to left handed shooting to deal with horrible target panic.  It was miraculous!  But, I am left eye dominant so it was a pretty easy transition as far as getting a much better sight picture.  But while I don't want to be a party pooper, I need to warn you that whatever caused you to develop TP in the first place can raise its ugly head again and give it to you on the left side (and how would I know that???)  :knothead:  .  So what you need to do is read Jay Kidwell's book "Traditional Archery Insights" and begin now to use his methods to vaccinate yourself against another episode of TP.  He has some great insights--he is a psychologist and understands TP from the psychological perspective--it is a mental issue.  Since you have already demonstrated a predisposition to get TP (as I also have), you want to develop a system to prevent it.  Some lucky guys never seem to have a problem with it and can't comprehend what we deal with. How nice it would be!
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: VictoryHunter on August 15, 2013, 07:51:00 PM
You name it I've had a problem with it haha.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: ChuckC on August 15, 2013, 07:59:00 PM
David.  I have read some of his stuff, and others.  I am working very diligently on a form that includes several defined steps, including getting it all the way back, anchoring, seeking the target (but not UNTIL then), stretching out and finally, after all that, releasing.  I also play with holding longer on some occasions just to make ME control the shot and not my brain.

With luck, it will work for a while yet.

Downside. .  not only am I divesting of all my righty bows (already sold a few), but now I am using full length arrows pulling a solid 30" instead of easily using 28" arrows. .  meaning all new arrows too.

Acolins. . .  might try training. .  every time you see a mounted deer (or other game), or a picture, look at it, then pick a spot and "aim". .  no bow, no gun, just center in, every time.  Get used to always centering in and picking a defined spot or hair and it may help you when it is actually time to do this.

ChuckC
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: threeunder on August 15, 2013, 08:06:00 PM
I consistently battle my form.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: acollins on August 15, 2013, 08:10:00 PM
Thanks Chuck I will try that.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: Centex on August 15, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
I hate tuning.  It literally takes me months.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: dougedwards on August 15, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
In my fourth month of shooting.  Already starting to wonder if things ever really get better.  It does play with my mind.

But all it really takes is just one shot that feels really good from pull to release and watching the arrow travel straight to the spot and I get excited again.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: stagetek on August 15, 2013, 08:27:00 PM
Target panic. And, the lack of confidence you develop because of it.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on August 15, 2013, 08:39:00 PM
i think the biggest hang up for me was "becoming
" an instinctive shooter. switching up on yardage between 15 - 35 yards and back to 20 then 28 yards without consciously using a gap was the toughest thing for me, and still screws me up if i don't practice accordingly.... you have no idea how tempting it has been to just set a 20 yard site pin on my bow for a reference....

but.... that just changes the whole game once you bring site pins back into the sport.... i just can't get myself to go back to that.....practice practice... and more practice. then it "Becomes instinctive"
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: BAK on August 15, 2013, 08:50:00 PM
Solid bow arm for consistent follow through.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: Tony Z on August 15, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
I'm happy with my form. Accuracy inside 18 yards is pretty consistent on anything made of foam or hay. All bets are off when my target is alive. TonyZ.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: moleman on August 15, 2013, 09:22:00 PM
Without a doubt my biggest challenge was( and still is at times) shooting the target and not the arrow.
If my mind is solely focused and consumed by nothing but the spot to be hit, im in the goodies from 0 to 25 all day long from any position, be it kneeling, sitting, bending at the waist, ETC. but with the first thought or glance of the arrow, im doomed.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: on August 15, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
I would have to say my biggest challenge was learning to use back tension properly.

Bisch
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: joe skipp on August 15, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
I'm not the greatest longbow shot and learning the "Swing Draw" that John Schulz teaches was the toughest. I use a push/pull to draw and shoot my recurves but it doesn't work well for me shooting the longbow.

Alot of practice and re watching the Schulz video has improved my accuracy tremendously. I'm now very confident in my shooting the past few years.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: bro-n-arrow on August 15, 2013, 11:10:00 PM
Been battling target panic for 60 years!No cure in sight,there's nothing worse. But for some reason I still love bowhunting. Talk about doing it the hard way.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: on August 16, 2013, 04:39:00 AM
I went out with my right favorite right hand longbow today. Nope, no target panic, I must have lost it. Nope, no stiff release fingers, I could play guitar just fine afterwards. shot some with my left hand longbow, that went just fine as well. Now the hardest thing for me will be killing a deer and eating it. Oh wait I've got one. Getting out of bed soon enough to get way out to where I hunt before sunrise. I have got my hours flipped because of my telescope, note the posting time.
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Post by: Stumpknocker on August 16, 2013, 07:56:00 AM
Target panic for sure.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 16, 2013, 08:12:00 AM
Pretty much everything everyone has said    :biglaugh:  gotta love traditional archery
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Post by: cuboodle on August 16, 2013, 08:44:00 AM
Trying not to think at all during draw and the shot pick a spot that's it let everything else happen without thinking
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: jrbows on August 16, 2013, 03:02:00 PM
Getting started in traditional there was seriously no-one to ask locally and I didn't have access to a web-site like this at the time that was the biggest obstacle, there have been a lot of smaller ones since then.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: Bama Recurve on August 16, 2013, 05:34:00 PM
Snap shooting.
If I draw I HAVE to release. The world may end if I hold my anchor. It's not bow weight either.
I tried shooting my 35# curve. Same thing..

I know Fred Bear was a snap shooter, but hey..
We all can't be "Fred Bear"
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: DennyK on August 16, 2013, 06:58:00 PM
Learning to shoot left handed after a permenant injury which inabled me to shoot right handed.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: BOWMARKS on August 16, 2013, 07:43:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by KOOK68:
Holding too long, waiting for the shot to "materialize"
X2   :knothead:
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: LYONEL on August 16, 2013, 07:48:00 PM
QuoteHardest obstacle to overcome  
"My wife & lack of time & my wife"
Thankfully I have a nine year old daughter who loves archery who sticks up for me & gets mum on side most of the time!
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: Hoyt on August 16, 2013, 07:54:00 PM
Pulling through my release with back tension. I have a tendency to just release..semi dead. Which is okay, but my best shots are always when I pull through with back tension...also more zip.
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: South MS Bowhunter on August 16, 2013, 08:00:00 PM
TTtttt PPpppp   :banghead:
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: drewsbow on August 16, 2013, 09:49:00 PM
my mind
Title: Re: Hardest obstacle to overcome
Post by: JDunlap on August 16, 2013, 10:11:00 PM
TP, my own special version of it.     :help: