Last month I was asked to assist Shane Reed in moderating this forum to prevent it from being shut down.
The word comes from "moderate."
One TradGang member, Rich Lopez, departed this site to tend to his own business. His threats against Terry Green were read and recorded, but since Terry lives in Georgia and Lopez lives in Maryland, his internet threats of violence have yet to be carried out.
Then I was asked to moderate. Not ban, not threaten, not harass. Moderate. When obviously fake members, all with the same IP address, began to post, they were reported. One fake called himself "greasyshaft" or "Richard Manuel." (Guess who that was.)See the little whistle at the bottom – any TradGang member can report. Only admins can review and ban.
Unfortunately, I live in the same small town as Rich Lopez and his website admin, Jim Raine. I now represent all of TradGang to Jim.
This afternoon Jim Raine began to vent about me on Rich Lopez's website, and then decided to stalk my wife and child at our home. He threatened to continue "dropping" in on our cul-de-sac, and so far has begun his harassment by posting pictures of our cars, license tags, and home.
I would not like to see this DropBombing result in harm to this forum - the Classified forum is already being affected by this.
As members on this forum already know, I do not profit from this site. I realize now that brokering and hyping up bows to sell may have been Jim Raine's major source of income, but I did not ban him.
My wife and son are easy targets. I cannot protect them or my cars , pets, or home 24/7, although my neighbors with small children have been alerted. I now have to worry about getting my tires slashed or my dog poisoned on one of Raine's future late night visits.
I contacted Jim Raine on the Rich Lopez website to give him a chance to sober up before I take his posts to a States Attorney. This was a heads up to do what Rich Lopez did about his publicly posted threats against Terry Green – delete them.
Raine's response - "bring it on."
I talked to Terry and then forwarded Jim Raine's surveillance pictures and posts threatening more surveillance of my home and family.
Thanks to all TradGangers in advance for any help or support in dealing with this insanity. Expect the guys drinking with Rich Lopez and Jim Raine at Denton Hill to chime in soon. These are the guys Terry warned about in his post in the Classified Forum "Beware of Fakes."
As Terry Green posted on July 29
Thanks again....heard there was chatter of revenge on me at Denton.
Dam, this is a bunch of crap. It's one thing to have a excuse the expression "pissing Match" on the internet. Quite another to actually come into some ones neighbor hood and threaten thier family. That is way over the line.
If it was my family I would make my first call to the police and look at a restraining order.
Geese im sorry any one has to go through what you are.
This is a sport for Gods sake! It sure isn't worth jeperdising life and limb
That was the most disturbing phone conversation I can remember having Tony. I made my contact to try and alleviate this situation. I honestly hope that this insanity stops. Not sure what sparked Jim to ask me why you and I banned him from this site? He should know that moderators can't ban.
I tried to make that point loud and clear unknowing that you would become "his" target. I told him that there are other moderators, and they can't do more than eliminate postings, and forward information as any member can. He did make a public apology to me, but made it obvious that no matter what, he wouldn't apologize to you weather right or wrong on his part.
I really think that he just snapped given that he knows you, and made it clear that he doesn't like you. I don't believe that this isn't the acts of a group, but rather one person acting alone.
The fact that your home is being obviously the target of stalking is really disturbing me. I am very very sorry that this is happening. I feel responsible for trying to make the guy understand when he sought me out.
I would have to hope that Rich would remove any and all pictures from his site. It would be crazy to leave them up. I also hope that he gets his friend under control.
This stalking is an offense punishable by law. The most important thing is that you and your family be safe. Measures definitely need be taken to insure that.
Once again I am very very sorry for this trouble Tony.
I never met Jim Raine in my life.
I never met Rich Lopez in my life.
I never talked to either on the phone.
Check my posts - I never had any dealings with either of them. They wouldn't know me if I walked right past them!
I thought both were a little odd, but didn't realize they were this unhinged until today.
I really think that words are the father of deeds. So what if Richard Manuel Lopez gets nervous and deletes the threats his website has been broadcasting all day. Deleting or editing this evidence is not very surprising, but stalking my family really opened my eyes.
Raineman is after pictures of me, my wife, and my son. Why he wants to identify us and what he plans to do after his surveillance is completed is cause for alarm. His obsession with me and his reckless behavior publicizing this does not indicate rational thought. I don't believe Raine has much self control, and I will warn my neighbors today. I would not like any of their family members to deal with him in case he goes off on a dog walker in my driveway.
Be very grateful that you live several hundred miles away, Shane.
Thanks Denis!
No wonder Terry is trying to do something with the classifieds. I guess this might shed some light on the nay-sayers of change. This is absolutely insane that men would do things like this. They are not trad hunters, or even worthy to be among the trad ranks. They are a disgrace to not only our sport but humanity as well. Keep us posted.
Ah, the drunken Denton campfire revenge on everyone plans. I hope the jig is truly up on them now.
Met, didn't meet, ban, didn't ban, anyone who threatens another's family needs to be dealt with in an authoritative manner. That kind of thing can't be tolerated, ever, for any reason.
Let us know if there's something we can do, Tony.
Putting this out in the light of day is the best thing.
This is part of a rambling incoherent response from Jim Raine on Richard Lopez's website:
...your never ending personal vendetta against me
I never met the guy. The only thing that bugs me is his "never ending" paranoid fixation on me.
Oh yeah, and how do I explain this to my wife and son? I am trying to keep them from worrying so I have not mentioned our new "visitor" to them yet.
QuoteOriginally posted by Jeff Strubberg:
Met, didn't meet, ban, didn't ban, anyone who threatens another's family needs to be dealt with in an authoritative manner. That kind of thing can't be tolerated, ever, for any reason.
Let us know if there's something we can do, Tony.
EXACTLY!!! No hesitation!
Thanks for the call last night....got the pics n the proof all saved up.
Oh,...I'm also waiting on a few of them to 'beat my up' as well. Or as tuscarwhywhy said, 'punch him in the face'. The guy hasn't even been shooting trad very long and he's already ready to fight over it.
And yes, Tony has been enlightened to what all Rob and I, along with the other mods, have to deal with on a constant basis. It is a real shame.
Bring what you have to the Police and file for a protection order. Do not put yourself or family in harms way.
People go to jail for this stuff. Call the police, fbi, etc.
I am also worried about my neighbors. Jim Raine has no idea what I look like, and apparently acts on sudden impulses.
Raine is already confused about my avatar.
He calls me "Geronimo" and "Chuck Connors."
I don't think Jim is old enough to recognize Jeff Chandler playing Cochise in the Jimmy Stewart film "Broken Arrow."
Cochise is holding a broken arrow in my avatar, and my wife thinks I am better looking than Jeff Chandler.
My cousin is a States Attorney for another county in Maryland. I am forwarding everything to him to get better advice on how to proceed.
Tony, unless you plan to post armed in front of your house 24/7, not filing a police report is wishful thinking and not in the best interest of your family. Delusional people can be very dangerous. Ill bet the reporting officer will scratch their heads when they hear that antics like this stem from an archery internet forum.
Izzy....wouldn't at least filling a complaint register a complaint just in case his property were damaged 'they' would be the 1st suspects?
My mom was told that a few years ago by her lawyer when the phyco woman was on the loose.
Oh, and I also have snapshots of the threats against me....so if they show up and beat me up....I can show it was per-meditated to the point of actually being announced on a web site.
They are already guilty of cyber stalking. A guy was doing the same thing to some coworkers and just went to jail for it. Just call the police.
QuoteOriginally posted by Terry Green:
Izzy....wouldn't at least filling a complaint register a complaint just in case his property were damaged 'they' would be the 1st suspects?
My mom was told that a few years ago by her lawyer when the phyco woman was on the loose.
If I was reporting a vandalism of Tonys property or worse, that threatening dude would be the 1st one I interviewed. I dont know how it works in Maryland but here it would warrant at least a talking to if thats what Tony requests.
Tony: PM sent. Looks like his website is down.
Man i hope you guys call the police and get this moron off the streets. You cant do that stuff to someone!! You cant creep around and send people threatening pics of their house and threaten their family! This has to be ilegal! Good luck guys I think you all do a great job here!
Richard Lopez is now posting that he has nothing to do with any threats made on his website by his website administrator, Jim Raine.
So, we are talking about Rich 'Droptine' Lopez and Jim Raine.
Any chance there would be a file on the crime from the 90's?
I'm truly sorry you guys have to deal with garbage such as this. For all you do in this sport and all the entertainment you provide... this is such an uncalled for circumstance.
The world seems to be getting nuttier by the day.
I can't imagine someone who is "truly traditional" would have his heart in a place like that.
Keep your chin(s) up and your wits about you. Looks like you are covering the bases.
I had no idea! Holy crap. All this over Traditional Archery?
Call the police and get this moron out of your life.
Posted this in the trad collecting forum but it looks like evidence is being preserved. Good.
"Hopefully all the threads/posts containing threats have been saved somewhere and police are involved.
I would also ask your neighbors, those whom you trust, to help watch out for your family and home while you're away. I have a neighbor that will confront anyone at my home he hasn't seen before. And he's armed when he does. That's a good thing.
I hope all can be resolved peacefully."
QuoteOriginally posted by ermont:
I had no idea! Holy crap. All this over Traditional Archery?
Call the police and get this moron out of your life.
Ermont, its moronS, there's a little gang of them.
Izzy is right. File a Police report.
Sad stuff here. A man of character would step up, apologize...admit he got carried away and end this BS. Sorry you guys are going through this.
Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character.
Albert Einstein
:D I would however like to be standing close by when "what's his name" tries to follow through with his threats!! :saywhat: :mad:
:D
Hope this ends quickly and honorably!!
Terry, I don't think very many of us had any idea what was going on.
For what it's worth, I had a run-in with a neighbor. He called the police to report I was shooting a bow and arrow in the city limits. I was unaware until the police showed up that it was even prohibited. The officer was a friend of mine and it went no farther. It is legal to shoot at a range approved by the police chief and the only requirement is that the range "provide reasonable assurance that an arrow which misses the target will not escape onto a neighbor's property". I applied and was promptly turned down because the neighbor had complained. They did give me permission to shoot inside my shop with the doors closed and locked. One hot day when I wanted to shoot after running my forge, I opened the double doors at the end of the shop and stepped 8' outside, shooting back inside. He started shooting rocks at me with a slingshot. He then called the police again and they said that was my last warning and a further occurrence would bring a citation for violating the ordinance.
Purpose of this post? It would appear to me that whoever gets in the first official complaint probably has the advantage in any future actions. I would make an official stalking/harassment complaint just to have it on the record. That may turn out to be more important than being the one on "the high moral ground".
Good luck to all of you, thanks for your great web site and stay safe.
Ron
Speaking as a Federal LEO, file a complaint and prosecute to the fullest. Your family deserves no less. This guy is obviously unstable and needs to be delt with by law enforcement. Bad things can happen.
File a restraining order and put a cap in his you know what if he shows up!
OOOOOPS, am I acting like a crazy Cajun again!
Where I come from, a man better NEVER take a picture of another guy's wife or kids!
All I can say is thank you to those who keep this site up and running. I never had any clue how ridiculous and hostile things could get out there. Wow... if people don't like this site, there are tons of other ones they could go visit. Thanks again and as soon as I get paid this Friday, my 2013 contribution to the site is being sent to support this community. Anything else I can do to help, please feel free to ask.
God bless and keep safe,
-Charlie
Its Menacing by Stalking in Ohio 2903.211 of The Ohio Revised Code. 6 months in jail $1000.00 fine. Maryland has to have a similar ordinance or law.
Atleast file a police report with your local Dept.
QuoteOriginally posted by awbowman:
File a restraining order and put a cap in his you know what if he shows up!
OOOOOPS, am I acting like a crazy Cajun again!
Where I come from, a man better NEVER take a picture of another guy's wife or kids!
:readit: :readit: The Basin is a desolate place, with LOTS of gators :laughing:
QuoteOriginally posted by Bladepeek:
Terry, I don't think very many of us had any idea what was going on.
For what it's worth, I had a run-in with a neighbor. He called the police to report I was shooting a bow and arrow in the city limits. I was unaware until the police showed up that it was even prohibited. The officer was a friend of mine and it went no farther. It is legal to shoot at a range approved by the police chief and the only requirement is that the range "provide reasonable assurance that an arrow which misses the target will not escape onto a neighbor's property". I applied and was promptly turned down because the neighbor had complained. They did give me permission to shoot inside my shop with the doors closed and locked. One hot day when I wanted to shoot after running my forge, I opened the double doors at the end of the shop and stepped 8' outside, shooting back inside. He started shooting rocks at me with a slingshot. He then called the police again and they said that was my last warning and a further occurrence would bring a citation for violating the ordinance.
Purpose of this post? It would appear to me that whoever gets in the first official complaint probably has the advantage in any future actions. I would make an official stalking/harassment complaint just to have it on the record. That may turn out to be more important than being the one on "the high moral ground".
Good luck to all of you, thanks for your great web site and stay safe.
Ron
Unbelievable....he was the one assualting you with a sling shot and you get in trouble...great world we live in.
I think the above experience speaks volumes to the wisdom in getting the complaint filed and ON RECORD ASAP!
Good sound advise.
Heck I guess I have too much south Alabama in me, but I'd have a hard time controlling my anger if someone threatened my family. Having said that, be careful you don't let them provoke you to anger if you see the dude bc guys like this will play your anger up and get you in trouble.
Dave
QuoteOriginally posted by KOOK68:
QuoteOriginally posted by awbowman:
File a restraining order and put a cap in his you know what if he shows up!
OOOOOPS, am I acting like a crazy Cajun again!
Where I come from, a man better NEVER take a picture of another guy's wife or kids!
:readit: :readit: The Basin is a desolate place, with LOTS of gators :laughing: [/b]
You know it Kook!
I would file a report with the DA's office, the sheriff's department, Police, and anyone else you can get to listen.
I'd talk to your neighbors, and have THEM file reports if he's lurking around and they see him. Trust me, any man who finds some random nutcase taking photos of children in a cul-de-sac is gonna want him OUT! Police don't take kindly to grown men obsessing over children, and I doub't this guy is going to say
"No officer I'm not taking photos of little children, I'm just trying to harass Tony W"
I think you get my point. Don;t lie, just let the circumstances work in your favor by not saying too much and letting the scenario speak for itself.
Where's Wyatt Earp when you need him
The amount of time and planning he had to have put into taking the pictures is a sure sign of a direct threat against you and your family regardless of him saying otherwise.I know that here in south bama only a true crazy person would do something like that because everyone here knows what would happen to them for threatining peoples wife and children.Things are done a lot different down here than it is up north and even the cops understand that.I posted on a older thread last week and noticed that the whole thing got deleteted. I wondered what or if i had done something wrong but now i think i understand what the reason was.I had no idea there was a big problem going on here.Its sad, i thought we were just one big happy gang for the most part.I hope everything gets worked out and that those in harms way can be at peace again soon.
The surveillance is what disturbs me.
We are hunters - somebody explain why we scout.
What happens next?
The beauty of south Ga. My Wife and I both carry a 45.RC
Same here in TX, I go no where w/o a gun BE SAFE please.....Can I help?
Get law enforcement involved as soon as possible!
I would definitely be working on getting a restraining order if it was me and my family. Sorry that you are having to deal with this. Good luck.
Different police departments respond to things like this to differing degrees. Here one of the police officers is a trad archer, things would happen very fast. In larger cites it is important to have all of the facts of the situation laid out in a very easy to see and read format. Any proof of physical actions will be the strongest. In a way it is a good thing that you are not a hot head like me. I have pushed the margins very close when my family members got threatened, at times like that I have no ability to wait and see. Keep your head cool and show and explain your situation very clearly to the local police.
Please contact your local Law Enforcement immediately! These types of situations often escalate out of control at the blink of an eye. These guys obviously have little regard for their actions. They must be shown what the consequences will be if the harassment continues. I am sure that your patience far exceeds mine, however, don't let this patience put your wife and kids in jeopardy. These men have crossed a line!!
Thanks for all your support and advice.
Be easier to get a good night's sleep now that plans to counter this Dropbombing have begun to unfold. Waiting for a rock to fly through the window made me a tad restless last night.
Hoping a couple of people will be less interested in threatening or harming my property or family after reading all of your responses.
I can't believe Trad Gang, after all these years is turning into this. :dunno: :nono: :eek: :confused:
Report (even with a lawyer)EVERYTHING in writing! 1st one to the authorities has the high ground. :readit: The saddest part(other than dragging down :knothead: (and if you don't report the above & then something else happens, the Police will think it just started from there!) :nono:
:(
I cant add any advice that hasnt been given. Please be safe. Thank you for what you do.
Tony, file a formal complaint. If you're hesitant to do so, go down to the local police station for an "informal" chat about the situation. Ask their advice. It's essential that the law be aware of the threats well before any one of these idiots tries to take action.
Patrick - I am waiting for a call from a State's Attorney right now so whatever I do is by the book.
On the lighter side:
A. My wife now checks her make-up and hair before she checks our mail box.
B. I still have a mailbox.
C. My neighbor swings a nice golf club.
D. It doesn't get dark for an hour.
Man, if you can keep your sense of humor in the face of this kind of crap, you sure have a positive, solid outlook on life.
Thanks for the smiles.
Tony, with that sense of humor you'll make through all of this!
-Pat
I can't offer any advice that hasn't already been given. Just a post to show support to you and your family and to Terry and all of Administration on this great site.
Every post had an effect - a powerful effect.
Trying to joke about this with my wife, but having a peeping Tom lurking about is not very funny.
Hope his buddies are enjoying her misery - hate to waste it!
Tony, did you get any answers or make headway?
this is the tip of the iceberg, ladies and gents. You're getting a rare glimpse into the daily world of Terry and his trusty sidekicks.
You have no idea the garbage- both the people and just plain silly situations- that are dealt with just about every day.
When 35,000 people get together, there's always going to be some playing without a full deck.
I was asked to fill in as gatekeeper a time or two when both Rob and Terry were out of pocket on trips, I believe.
After two times, I'd had enough. Just imagine all the stuff over all these years that's been dealt with???!!!
I bet if you put 40,000 Budhist monks (sorry Catholic priests, you not the best example :rolleyes: ) together at least 5,000 of them are gonnna have closets chock full of looney skeletons. Growing pains I guess. :dunno:
Tony,
Sorry about what you are going thru, but maybe it's time for a little offense! Not face to face but... from a distance!
Trail camera photos!?!? Camcorder? If possible, document (date/time) you see "him".
Use your neighbor's homes to put them (cameras/videos) up... and get a different view of your cul-de-sac "guest". Photos don't lie, and should support your information / complaint to the police, and then let the men in blue assist you!
Just my two cents, "Take the fight to them".
David
X10 Get law enforcement involved. Don't ask advice, get a badge in their face. Restraining orders, no contact orders. Don't go vigilante, or allow a friend to. It's why we pay taxes. We're still a country of laws. It seems you and Terry already have enough evidence to get them in front of a judge, apology on not.
To all Admin, Thanks for the crap y'all deal with to make this the best archery site on the net. Jim
Sorry you're having to endure this, Terry! Out here, about half the populace carries at any given time. The dorks' dilemma is to figure out which one's packing. And our sheriff would be pretty supportive of someone who lit up a stalker with either a little red or green dot if the guy were stupid enough to report it. I mean, what's he gonna say? "I was just seeing if anyone was home". Yeah, that'll go a long ways for sure! Turn the little schmuck in and let him roast on the DA's spit.
You know, I never thought about using trail cams.
This guy has an agenda, and deleting and editing what he posted online does not erase the voices in his head.
I have already been promised that one gentleman will be better supervised at work after this, but what happens on moonless nights are anybody's guess.
We live in a neighborhood that never had prowlers until this week. This would be a great deterrent -the guy's word has no value.
Hey trail cam sponsors? Any ideas about this?
As someone has already said... start documenting/get a history established. And camera patterns/photos sure beats the "he said, she said".
Like you, I would give anyone the shirt off my back (when needed).
Attack me? Okie Dokie... let's play! BUT, mess with my family's safety..... sorry, all bets are off.
If you get a trail-cam, get one with Wifi that will send pictures directly to you through e-mail. That way if it is stolen, you still have what you need on your computer.
Sent you an email
Wow man, I hope everything gets sorted out. I am not that familiar with the details of this situation but it sounds pretty bad. This is a great site and you mods do a great job.
Sent my thoughts, prayers & support on the other posting, but once again, all are with you. I haven't been a member long, but I love this website. I want to thank all who contribute in one way or another to make this such a great resource, and a true "cyber camp." I've felt at home here since I started coming around and it's because of everyone's efforts to keep it a place we'd all like to visit. I hope you nail the stalker's butt to the wall, and you and your family stay safe. God bless you all!
"Roar" like a Lion and get the police involved and these fella's will run like a pack of cowardly "HYENA'S" ...
Not all of Maryland Men act like these two have from what I have read here and if some Traditional bowhunters here in Md. or elsewhere can call these fella's friends Well I am glad I ain't part of thier pack....
If anyone here knows of those two personally or however many are involved I would say "Man up" and face them and let them know they need to grow up....
"For evil to prevail is for Good men to do nothing"....
There are bound to be nuts among 35,000 people, but these guys sound completely unhinged. Don't give the crazy jerks a chance to act out their violent thoughts. This is a case for law enforcement and, in the worst case scenario, self defense.
Keep your self and your family safe.
sad story , i know that kind of people , most of them just got big mouth but a few a "seriously deranged " : call the law .
i'm a bit far but i send you all my best wishs ..
once in england i meet a guys who reproached me to have sold some guns and so on , to the Falkland , just because i'm french , it ended up with him running after me,wanting to chop me off with a "machete " , some people are to dumb to think about what they saying or doing ...
take care ..
You can bet if he has been talked to at work he is pissed. Turn him into the police. Protect your family.
All PMs have been answered.
I am very grateful to all the TradGang members who were not afraid to give public support to my family.
I respect and understand the men who had to protect their families by corresponding privately.
We slept soundly last night.
Cade - Thank Terry for turning on the crickets.
Tony,
I can't offer anymore advice than has already been given I'll only say you and your family be safe!
I would hope you have gotten some response from Law Enforcement at whatever level you contacted them. I found out recently that I couldn't get anybody to take me seriously until I got an attorney involved. Pretty sad our country has sunk to that level. Good luck and be safe.
QuoteOriginally posted by David Bartholomew:
Tony,
Not face to face but... from a distance!
Trail camera photos!?!? Camcorder? If possible, document (date/time) you see "him".
Use your neighbor's homes to put them (cameras/videos) up... and get a different view of your cul-de-sac "guest". Photos don't lie, and should support your information / complaint to the police, and then let the men in blue assist you!
Good idea.....cept their gang has several aliases and area reading every word here.
BUT>>>>BUT.....if they know you are doing it....then THAT would be a deterrent. I would even get the one's that FILM...so you can freeze frame them into stills.
QuoteOriginally posted by TonyW:
Cade - Thank Terry for turning on the crickets.
And you are also witty....pretty cool statement..... :campfire:
Your welcome!
For my family, I have separate security systems for the home, and out buidlings. Everything overlaps!
The exterior cameras are weatherproof HD 720p. And, with a 1 TB of hard drive for each system... well, there is enough recording time. :)
Both my wife (my hunting partner) and I have concealed carry permits.
No, it's not everything, but... it makes us feel safer. And, like everyone, I pray we're never in a position where we feel we have to use our weapons.
QuoteOriginally posted by buckeye_hunter:
If you get a trail-cam, get one with Wifi that will send pictures directly to you through e-mail. That way if it is stolen, you still have what you need on your computer.
:thumbsup:
This whole thing is a bit unnerving. I would be taking every precaution to make sure that safety and sanity prevails here.
But it is possible that this person has had his fun, and will find other things to occupy his time now, now that he has gotten you and a bunch of TradGangers riled.
Don't render evil for evil, it's never right to do wrong to do right. Just follow the law, report it (as you evidently have), and be decent (but firm) in all your dealings with this situation. You know... "Walk softly, but carry a big stick."
QuoteOriginally posted by Archie:
........You know... "Walk softly, but carry a big stick."
I find that a 45 works better!
Look, I am the last person that wants to harm another human, but this guy has crossed WAY OVER the line and Toney needs to protect himself. At least that's my take. No one will ever kill me without a gunfight... PERIOD!!!!!!!
Just like with other instances...with others that were banned a while back on the Trad History forum....email are coming in of other stories.
There's a lot of cards that several TradGangers have that they aren't showing at the moment. This is truly bizarre behavior....and this is not the only instance....from what I am hearing.
Life's too short for this kind of crap! I guess you just never know what you are dealing with..
Thanks to Terry, Rob and Mods for dealing with all this junk so we can enjoy a fantastic resource.
sorry to hear about this BS.
Play it smart man.
Let the police know about it.
I'd bet they've heard his name a couple times before...
Wow!
I don't know any of you folks but, from an outsider looking in, Tony you have an issue.
I have been dealing with a nut neighbor for a few years now. My wife, sons and I honestly don't know what set this guy off but he's stalked, threatened, flipped over garbage cans etc etc for over a year now. Every incident has it's own police report even though it seems like overkill but here's why:
I was told by my local (NJ municipality) PD that it is critical to get a report filed in each and every incidence like this IN THE EVENT it ever comes to s self defense issue. If the PD knows and has been made aware of a continuing situation, they can and will testify on behalf of the complainant should a self defense issue ever necessitate a court visit....
Really crappy stuff and its sad we have to think this way but when a kookoo bird forces your hand.... :dunno:
If it were me someone would be making an unscheduled trip to the ER, you don't mess with a mans wife or kids PERIOD.
We had a Home owners president who had her husband out taking pictures of the kids walking past their house, he ended up " Tripping " on the sidewalk.
Maybe I am just over zelous in protecting kids but I would rather face the 12 than see them carried by 6
Thirty three years ago I was an Emergency Department Tech at Baptist Medical Center in Oklahoma City. I did this partly because of events that occurred in Baltimore City Hall on April 13, 1976. A deranged man named Charles Anthony Hopkins killed Councilman Dominic Leone because he lost the health permit for his restaurant. I was at the wrong place at the wrong time because I was a student working on a story about the youth curfew for a journalism course. After Dominic Leone was shot I was unable to do anything but hold his hand and try to take his pulse. I looked into his eyes as he passed.
I always felt guilty about not being able to save his life, and this is why I took the job in that Oklahoma City ER four years later. In the ER, I learned to deal with a lot of senseless death and violence. I know better than most the tragic results of loose talk and idle threats. I teach science in Baltimore City, home of both "Homicide" and "The Wire."
Trust me, I am being very careful about this matter.
For details check out the Baltimore Evening Sun of April 13, 1976. You may have to pay an archive fee. I believe you will find my first encounter with a madman on page 2 of Donald Kimelman's front page story.
Sorry that you and your family are being stalked by this person. You have been given alot of good advice from some great people and not much I can add other than will be thinking of you and your family.
Tony very sorry to hear this is going on. No idea we had such a slime bag amongst us. That is really disturbing behavior.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
That is really disturbing behavior.
Yeah, and all the while laughing and yucking it up about it on a web page.
Wish Tony and family the best. Appreciate all the mods do for this site, but can someone PM me the site that is causing all the drama so that I can really have proper insight on this situation?
~CB
You might want to contact Terry Green first.
Snapshots of original posts should be compared to deleted and edited version.
All original and edited revisions on that site should have been removed.
Please contact me or Terry Green ASAP if they have been posted again.
My "snapshot" really is a snapshot.
From the vantage point of the survellance photographer you could look into my windows with the zoom lens of an inexpensive camera.
The original post I recorded ended with the promise of getting a better picture the next time he came by.
Since it was daylight during his first peep in my windows, the next time could be tonight if this is not dealt with.
My wife is understandably shaken, because none of us have ever met or spoken to the stalker.
Kinda makes me wonder if the nutcase has a wife, and if so, is she aware of what he is doing? If she don't know...maybe she should.
Man, I hate to hear this stuff. I love this site. I wish you all the best!
Ok, I have been following this post the last few days. The guys with the lose screws were at Denton hill ? They were at one time trade gang members ? They are active in the traditional archery community ?
I don't see how they could show their faces at another trad event ? I can only relate from Comptons events & other smaller events but I just don't think they would feel welcome there ? I hope that's the case anyways ? I wouldn't want to be camping at Comptons or shooting at the 3D event with characters like this roaming around ?
Edit: I forgot to add a big Thank You to Terry & his team of moderators for keeping this a class act place & keeping the riff raff out. I was a moderator on a bike forum & got sick of it after a year of babysitting, a Moderators job is not done for fun, it is done for a love of the hobby.
Wow. I never realised this kind of stuff goes on for the moderators and administrators.... this is crazy!
I cant add any advice that hadnt already been said but I too want to thank you guys for all you do here!
Stay safe Tony and keep us updated. I will be praying for you and yours.
Call the local cops and report it to get the Maryland legal paper trail started and they usually dont mind doing extra patrols if needed. Having lived in Bmore over 10 yrs Ive helped three different friends with a stalker. It can take weeks and several court days to get a protection order peminently in place.......Save everything to show the judge. Best of luck and stay safe............John
Truly odd behavior. Hopefully shedding light on the situation in this forum will help to convince those guys from doing anything rash. I wonder how they justify these things to themselves, like when they were talking at Denton Hill?
Patrick - you nailed it. Of course, that isn't the same thing as lying low until the heat is off.
You have to have a conscience to feel remorse.
This forum has given us time to put everything needed in place so nobody gets harmed.
Weren't they using TradGang to sell bows and not paying a sponsorship? Just wanted to know cause that is another thing I heard.
Tony,
I have been following this thread and I have to say, it pains me that you and your family have to endure this. It never ceases to amaze me how grown men act. I have been in law enforcement for 15yrs and have investigated these types of incidents many times.
Everything I have read so far meets and excedes the criteria of stalking. I strongly urge you to call your local police dpt and file a report. Let the police pay a visit to this guy and rattle his cage and let him know his behavior will not be tolerated.
I am not up to spead on Maryland laws but in Michigan this guy would already be prosecuted. If you are able, try to get a personal protection order or restraining order put in place. Most times if a protection order is in place, stalking behavior is taken more seriously and there are enhanched penalties involved. Good luck and be safe!!
I love this site and I appreciate everything the moderators do to make this site what it is.
Tony;
I have four game cams sitting on a shelf. I can make do without 'em for a season if they bring peace to you and yours. They are the older card driven cams, but you are welcome to them if they will help.
Thank You Jeff - I do need them, and I have four locations that will be perfect.
Please PM me.
Back in the day you could of just gave him a good old ass beating but now days I leave it up to the Police.
QuoteOriginally posted by BWD:
Kinda makes me wonder if the nutcase has a wife, and if so, is she aware of what he is doing? If she don't know...maybe she should.
Yep...he does. Looks like a very nice lady and a teenage son. You can find their pics online with just a little searching. I bet she doesn't know ! And it's NOT the big busted blonde near naked woman that he uses in his a avatars. Oooops!!
Hope things are getting better Tony. Still hoping he will grow up and realize how idiotic he has been and at least call you to applgize.
I am of mindset that things of this nature should not be trialed in a public forum but kept private between parties and any legal/law representatives as seem necessary.
Then again it riles me when people have problems with anything (bows, cars, motorcycles, weapons, appliances, etc) and get on a forum to state their problems, their discontent, and never contacted the manufacturer/vendor for their input first....
Not saying this is the case but if you already have the evidence, the pictures, etc....why put it in the public forum?
I always figure you handle it in person or get the law involved.
My two cents.
I have been trying to find a solution to this nightmare that does not result in harm to anybody.
Suddenly, like a bolt of lightning, the answer was clear.
It came from a conversation I had with Terry Green about how he dealt with threats of being beat up by a stranger on the internet he never met. Terry's internet enemy is the same guy who uses a rinky-dink website to send strangers to my door to terrify my wife.
Some of these other strangers love to lurk here and pretend to be TradGangers. They hate Terry Green, but they profit from his website. They have not been banned - but they are well known, and they "drop" in and out all the time. They are monitored closely, and they sometimes play their games on The Trad History/Collecting Forum. So far none of these "name droppers" has paid a photo recon tour of my house. Check them out if you are curious - they love to TTT old posts to stir the pot and ask questions to answers they already know and they already posted and answered word-for-word on their rinky-dink website. I chuckled at one I just spotted. Terry has been at this game for years, and a chuckle is as good as it gets.
Who cares about this stupid game? (Maybe Terry Green. This is his website, right?)
My real world problem is the two strangers that delight in bullying and terrorizing anybody they choose. Their stupid game, when it was lost forever, cost them money after they began abusing the goodwill of TradGang to cash out their chips. Losing their stupid game then cost my wife her sense of safety in her own front yard. I guess Rich Lopez and Jim Raine got even after all. Long after this post has faded, she will still be afraid. Hope the rest of the middle-aged "Droptine delinquents" dancing around the burning bows at their Denton Hill Camp Drunkenbozo bow burning ritual are happy with the results of this DropBomb.
Their game is over in my front yard. Terry Green and life in his neighborhood gave me the answer. Let me know if you agree.
Terry told me if a Jersey wannabe wiseguy like Rich Lopez drove to his small town in Georgia to carry out his threats, a small town Terry grew up in where everybody knows him ......
You get the point.
This is my solution and the reason I chose my close knit neighborhood to raise a family. My son, like Terry Green, grew up in our small neighborhood in Sykesville, where everybody knows him, and if a stranger came to our cul-de-sac this is what happens:
One of my neighbors is a police officer. My son and his friends have trick-or-treated at his house for years. Never needed to chat with him until yesterday. We discussed a lot of things - gun collecting as a hobby, gun safety/responsibility, and the difference between scouting deer and stalking people. So far, I did not have our officer officially report this, leave our neighborhood and continue this conversation in a nearby neighborhood. Another recon mission from Mr. Peeper would put my neighbor in uniform and on the job.
One of our other neighbors works for State Farm Insurance. State Farm Insurance is a great company and will protect my home and family from any vandalism if these strangers decide to go trick-or-treating at my home one dark night. If this happens, the State Farm Insurance company home office will be sent all of the information needed to investigate who did the damage and what instigated it, even if this happens next year. If my car is keyed, our mailbox smashed, or my wife and son are photographed by Mr. Peeper or his creepy friends, State Farm Insurance will be notified immediately. Because Mr. Peeper and friends have our license tag numbers, they better hope nobody keys our cars from this day onward.
Oh yeah - a simple two word message to Mr. Peeper.
Back Off.
One more of your photo recon tours will seal the deal. Who knows how long you have stalking us? Who knows what is recorded on your camera's memory card as trophies to share with other perverted friends? Your next mission will be recorded by our friendly neighborhood watch. You want your own wife and son terrified or humiliated like mine? I don't. If you really insist that a police investigator should knock on your door - then by all means "Bring it," Mr. Peeper.
Back off.
Tell your creepy friends to back off.
You have made a lot of enemies before me, and they have sent me PMs demanding immediate action.
So far I have protected you by acting with restraint. Don't mistake my compassion for your wife or children as weakness.
Find another way to amuse yourself. If your feelings have been hurt - get over it.
Just be very careful on your website from now, and make sure none of your buddies stirs the pot.
Like a good neighbor, someone is watching you online right now.
Now the rest of the story. My wife's father is Greek, and her mother was born in England. Her father is a computer systems engineer for SPAWAR. He is a very protective Greek Orthodox father. No rinky-dink website wants him investigating anything involving internet terrorism or photo recon missions directed at his daughter and grandson. The best man at our wedding is a commercial artist. His brother is an ex-Secret Service agent with FBI buddies. We all went to high school together.
I used to free lance for the Baltimore Sun, Baltimore Magazine, and local papers. This would make a great story, and entertain thousands of readers. All kinds of issues could be brought up as the story unfolded - cyber stalking,State Farm Insurance Company,the need for concealed carry, gun safety and responsibilty,internet bullies, invasion of privacy - you get the point, Mr. Peeper?
This story is writing itself. Most of the people reading this wrote it. Only the continued silence and retreat of two strangers will end it. If my strange new visitors want this to continue to be written and eventually published in a newspaper or magazine - keep up the harassment.
Right now I want to end it here.
Back Off.
Ron....maybe you should be posting that on their site.
That's where all the postings of pics and statements of facts about their spoken words and actions actually started. :readit: :readit: :readit:
And please do not make assumptionary accusations of motives of the victims. Or placing labels on them.
Terry...dont get on me for stating a logical comment on not hashing things in public...which is not my style and not what these forums are intended.
I was making a point and not choosing sides...wow!
Not sure what you edited from my orignal comment but I have spoken with Tony and he did not have issue with anything I wrote. That is why I dont get in this stuff...everyone is emotional and sure I would be too.
If I had read anything that boasted of things I read in this post I would have said the same thing...I just never read anything at this level...just the normal BS.
Have a good day....
I hear ya Ron....just this is a case not of a trade squabble, but actual documented threats.
The threats against me I didn't pay any attention to, but I felt Tony being threatened was worth the membership knowing.
I wasn't getting on ya... :campfire:
Sorry if I read what you wrote wrong....my apologizes.
Sorry folks, but there are no ifs and or buts what needs to be done. I had a very well known attorney read this thread. You must contact the local police, the state police and the federal authorities immediately. These guys are in a boat load of trouble and all you have to do is report them!! All this other banter is useless and does you and your family no good. Lots of laws come into play here and if you do not report these guys than I hate to say it but if something happens you will have nobody to blame but yourself!!! Take Care, I will comment no more! Shawn
above X2
Just guessing here but I would think alcohol or drugs are involved, nobody is that stupid all by there self.
In reality the people who talk/ type the most, are the ones that are nothing more than talk. I cannot dismiss a suggested threat to your family. In my opinion, if the authorities are not involved you have made your first serious mistake. I would think that a threat on the WWW is a federal offence, and I know stalking one's family is not lawful.
I will keep you and your family in my prayers. Best of luck to you and your family!!!
decided to stay neutral...cause I don't know any involved on a personal level...but it is nice to hear both sides of the story .
Maybe it is a good thing that the threats are posted here.
For some one to get that upset for being banned from a website is plain foolishness.
If I was a friend of the person who has made these threats I would encourage them to talk some sense into the guy. I'm sure there lurking here.
What a simple solution call email whatever and apologize and GET a grip.
Thanks for your sponsorship Brandon.
"Demonize" documented threats :knothead:
Had a long talk with a nice gentleman in Frederick, Maryland. A real long talk.
Advised him that his friend would benefit if his hilarious website wasn't as hidden from the view of curious onlookers as the body of Osama Bin Laden.
Take a look at all the guys online at TradGang right now - then take a close look at all the guests lurking online. That's right, lurking is great.
Online.
Because of the common decency required to post here, everybody on Earth can "drop" in here, search, read, and "drop" back there. Even "dropouts" banned here are welcome to lurk. Hi Bill. Hi Rich. Hi Jim. Great to see ya!
Online.
Once any of our lurkers drop back into the Drop Zone, they find the windows closed and the curtains drawn tight. Leaving TradGang with knowledge to share online "there" is no problem, but these handful of guys gaping at my windows in Eldersburg, Maryland are terrified of online lurkers.
The Drop Zone is the Twilight Zone. What are they afraid of people seeing behind their curtains?
Why not open these windows and let in some light? Even then, nothing to fear. Online lurkers cannot gape at photoshopped pictures of the Drop Zone wives and children, only mine. Is that what they are afraid of? Or is there evidence of more than my family's humiliation online in the Drop Zone?
Think about it.
Not safe for work? Or not safe for the pair of Drop Zone delinquents if any of you see what is really going on there.
QuoteNow what Jim has done was wrong, I'm certainly not going to deny that, but I highly doubt that he would actually harm you or your family (especially not your family). He was probably just screwing with you out of frustration for being banned on Trad Gang (which you were a big part of).
Tony,
I've stayed out of this until now, because I wasn't hearing both sides of the story, and I generally don't get involved in something until I at least hear from both sides.
But if this is the best the other side can come up with, I agree with most others that you should report this to the proper authorities.
"Probably" just screwing with you?
"Doubt" that he would actually harm you, and especially not your family?
If someone said these things to me, it would not make me sleep well at night. Being that angry over being banned from TradGang is totally irrational. TradGang is a private website, not a public service, and we have a privilege to post here, not a right.
Well said Dave
Bowhunting Related?? maybe a new forum needed?
Taking my feet down in case it gets worse. I vote close topic like normal.
X2 with what Lonewolf73 said
PM sent to Shawn after he posted below me so he won't worry that I was TTTing this.
I wish it was UNREALL!!!
PM Terry if you need more.
By this morning, I had plenty of info - read what I posted around 1:30 pm.
Only posted now because of people who missed it - that was the end.
Law contacted.
Family protected.
Not all my cards can on the table.
I posted this at 1:35:
Right now I want to end it here.
UNREAL!!!!! TonyW, you are right and what these guys did is wrong but come on!! I am done with the thread now!!! What don't you get Tony?? Do the right thing!!! Protect your family and contact the law!!! Sorry this is not it!!!!!!!! Respectfully!!! Shawn
Gonna have to vote for a closed topic as well. All of the necessary info has been put out. If the other party was going to respond they would have done so.
I posted this at 1:35:
Right now I want to end it here.
I also agree with Mike. I am truly sorry and distressed over what is going on. But enough.
Do something about the problem. Don't do it publicly and get on with it.
This drawing it out, blogging, and drama is getting bad.
I'm sorry if I'm not being politically correct or sensitive