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Title: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Tree Killer on August 05, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Here's the deal. I was asked to build a set of arrows for a benefit and auction for the Granite Mountain Hot Shots down in Arizona. They're the firefighters that died in the wildfire near Prescott, Arizona.

I'd like to put "Granite Mountain Hot Shots"6-30-13
on each of the arrows.

I usually dip the shafts twice in MinWax water based Polycrylic semi-gloss...crest, then dip again.  I've tried some test arrows with 4 different pens  to write on the shafts. I've written over the finish, then dipped them again after a reasonable amount of time. So far every ink has run!  

I tried a regular black Sharpie, and it didn't run. So I bought a fine tip black Sharpie...it ran when dipped! Apparently the ink formula is different in the fine tip Sharpie's?

Does anybody have any thoughts or experience writing on under a finish with a certain pen whose ink doesn't run?  Is there another type of finish that I could use and the ink won't run?

The pens I've used are some that I use to decorate turkey bones...and I use a spray version of the same MinWax product. The ink doesn't run under the finish on the bones. But for some reason it runs where applied over the finish and dipped again. I tried to spray over the writing thinking it would seal it before I dipped...but sure enough, it ran.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, Ron
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: moleman on August 05, 2013, 07:53:00 PM
Ron, you might try this, its a DecoColor extra fine point, paint marker found at nearly all craft stores. Its not an ink, but is actually paint in a pen that can be applied as simple and precise as a marker, if not more so.
Hope this helps,  Paul
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Tree Killer on August 05, 2013, 07:59:00 PM
Thanks Paul, I'll look it up!
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: on August 05, 2013, 08:11:00 PM
Either that or maybe some Testors paint (like you use on models) and an old fashioned dip the point in the ink pen.

Bisch
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Tree Killer on August 05, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bisch:
Either that or maybe some Testors paint (like you use on models) and an old fashioned dip the point in the ink pen.

Bisch
I thought about trying to go that route with the Krylon Short Cuts that I use for cresting, but an arrow shaft is a mighty small non-flat canvas!      :)
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Bladepeek on August 05, 2013, 09:18:00 PM
I'm assuming you're talking about wood arrows so this would be heresy, but what about a One Stringer wrap with the info on that?
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Tree Killer on August 05, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Bladepeek:
I'm assuming you're talking about wood arrows so this would be heresy, but what about a One Stringer wrap with the info on that?
Yes, these are wood arrows.  What is a One Stringer Wrap?
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: karrow on August 05, 2013, 09:28:00 PM
"One Stringer Wraps" is under the Trad Gang sponsor list up top. he makes custom wraps

could you wright on the shaft then one or two coats of spray over the ink then dip? might work i dont know
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: 1Longbow on August 05, 2013, 09:36:00 PM
Tree Killer,
I'm part of that benifit banquet(NWTF local chapter)  and I want to "THANK YOU" for your donation. We have teamed up with RMEF,Mule Deer foundationand other outdoor foundations to help the families. We have hunts , safaris,guns, bows ,boats etc! We are selling tickets online,at yarnell19banquet.com--- Banquet is on August 29th
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Jason Kendall on August 05, 2013, 09:52:00 PM
I use these on my bows, it's basically India Ink in a pen type device (its a refill for an actual pen) I have used a lot of different finishes over the last 18 years and nothing has made them run. They have a nice tip for writing in small areas too.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v221/jkendall/pen_zpsc5e50586.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/jkendall/media/pen_zpsc5e50586.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Tree Killer on August 05, 2013, 11:47:00 PM
Thanks for the suggestions guys, much appreciated!    :thumbsup:

 
QuoteOriginally posted by 1Longbow:
Tree Killer,
I'm part of that benifit banquet(NWTF local chapter)  and I want to "THANK YOU" for your donation. We have teamed up with RMEF,Mule Deer foundationand other outdoor foundations to help the families. We have hunts , safaris,guns, bows ,boats etc! We are selling tickets online,at yarnell19banquet.com--- Banquet is on August 29th
That's very awesome Steve! I'm glad I'm able to be a part of it! My set of arrows are small beans compared to many of the other items, but I hope somebody will appreciate them!
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: SCATTERSHOT on August 06, 2013, 10:43:00 AM
Just a thought, but maybe you could use a spray coat over the lettering to keep it from running. Thanks for your part in honoring these guys.
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: WESTBROOK on August 06, 2013, 08:08:00 PM
I know some arrow builders that use blank decal stock and print the text on it, peel and stick to the shaft, spray over with Krylon Crystal clear.
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: 1Longbow on August 06, 2013, 08:26:00 PM
Tree  Killer ,
Your donation is just as important as anyone elses,and WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH!---Steve
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Gator1 on August 07, 2013, 07:01:00 AM
Some one is in for a treat

Tree killers work has been posted here    :notworthy:    :notworthy:
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Tree Killer on August 07, 2013, 10:47:00 AM
Thanks for all the advice and suggestions folks!

Here's what I settled on. I went to a local craft store to get a DecoColor paint marker and ended up buying one, plus a produce called IDenti-Pen that an employee recommended.

The DecoColor did NOT run after dipping in poly, but even the extra fine tip put out too much paint/ink for what I needed.

The IDenti-Pen also did NOT run under the poly, and it has a fine point on one end and X-fine point on the other.

So, if anybody needs a permanent marker that seems to work under polyurethane and perhaps most others finishes....check out the IDenti-Pen.

Thanks again everybody!    :campfire:
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Hopewell Tom on August 08, 2013, 06:04:00 AM
Any chance of posting a pic of the arrows? Your work is excellent and I'm sure we'd all like to see the result.
Good on you for helping out.
Title: Re: Help with arrows needed!
Post by: Bow-n-Head on August 08, 2013, 12:41:00 PM
What Scattershot says "spray over the lettering" then re-dip.