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Title: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Fanto on July 18, 2013, 07:56:00 AM
G'day all

Just  waiting my turn for a caribow.

I'd like to get black and white ebony limb veneers, just wondering if anyone has experience with this timber and whether the high weight affects limb performance I.e. speed or hand shock?

Thanks
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: nineworlds9 on July 18, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
Abe* ought to be able to tell you, he's building it.  South Cox at Stalker Stickbow would also have insight.  Or maybe Roman at Hill Country bows.   I believe the word is from what other TGers have said, it affects it a small bit, but nothing silly, what's a couple feet per second?  Some say it doesnt affect it at all.  Most people are thrilled with the beautiful look of that wood enough not to care about 2-3fps, if its even that.  Hope someone who owns one will reply for you.  Email South, very nice guy.
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: VictoryHunter on July 18, 2013, 11:44:00 AM
X2 for South, he is awesome!
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Robertfishes on July 18, 2013, 11:52:00 AM
No experience with it..but I have used macassar ebony, cocobolo and several other rosewoods for veneers..my veneers are usually less than 025 thick and often around 020 thick. I don't think you will have a problem, your bowyer has an excellent reputation and the bows of his I have seen were very nice!
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Mike Mecredy on July 18, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
One thing I've noticed, as long as the veneers are kept thin, and the core is of a good performing wood, bamboo, or carbon, (although I've never used carbon) the decorative stuff doesn't really come into play. But it doesn't help performance any either, just adds appearance.
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on July 18, 2013, 02:02:00 PM
Veneers are veneers, just cosmetic.  Thy won't affect the performance of your bows, no matter what wood it is.
Theoretically, adding weight to limbs would affect performance, but as already  told here, te effect is ignorable.
You could ask Abe too of course....
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: gringol on July 18, 2013, 02:08:00 PM
Mathematically, veneer material makes a difference.  Then again, mathematically you should be able to hear a mouse fart from 3,000 miles away...

Caribows are great.  You'll be very happy with whatever wood you go with.
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Sixby on July 18, 2013, 02:45:00 PM
to some it matters and to some it doesn't. Atleast that is what seems to be the answer here.
If you are completely about performance , it matters/ If not then no.
You get different answers from different bowyers due to the fact that to some losing a couple of fps is not a big deal/ However if you lose a couple here and a couple there then it can go from being a top performance bow to a mediocre performing bow. With Abe you needn't worry about it , just go with what he says.

God bless, Steve
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: pamike on July 18, 2013, 03:03:00 PM
I have been told that yes it does make a small difference to yes it makes a pretty big diff - BUT I keep getting it cause it is beautiful!!!
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Dan Bonner on July 18, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
I couldn't tell much difference from any other bows I have built. If it has more white it will be lighter in mass weight. Royal ebony which is what I have used is pretty light in mass weight compared to any other ebony species. The stuff I used wasn't much heavier than maple or walnut. If you like it, go for it!

Bonner
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Fanto on July 18, 2013, 06:07:00 PM
Thanks gentlemen!

I will talk it over with Abe, but my heart is set on it so ill go for it. I shoot heavy h ting arrows so a few Fps isn't any concern. 10% would be a concern but it seems 1-2% is the actual impact so all good

Cheers
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Cari-bow on July 18, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
Fanto
If the B/W ebony made 2 ft per sec difference you still won't know it was the ebony or not. There is that much difference maybe 3-4 ft from bow to bow. That's if you keep everything the same. With veneers .020-.025 the type of wood won't make much of a difference.B/W is not as heavy as some of the other ebony's. It has great contrast and I would use it in my bow and some day I will have one. So many woods so little time.
Abe
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Fanto on July 23, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Thanks Abe! Can't wait!
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Danny Rowan on July 23, 2013, 09:38:00 AM
I have two of Abe's bows that have B/W ebony vaneers on the limbs, an Slynx and a Silver Fox and a Schafer Silvertip recurve that also has B/W ebony vaneers. I have owned a bunch of bows in my life and most all of them had some type of exoctic wood limb vaneer from macasser ebony to angel fire maple, I noticed no loss of performance on any of them.
Title: Re: Black and white ebony veneer affect performance?
Post by: Fanto on July 24, 2013, 02:38:00 AM
cheers danny