What are your preferences? Anyone strongly prefer one over the other in a two blade?
I shot both out of my set up a couple years ago (actually the 4 blade versions). Didn't notice a difference. Both worked well on deer, pigs, and coons.
I've used both with great results.
I do believe that the 2bl. buzzcut leaves a better hole/bloodtrail than the 2 bl. Stinger.
But the 4bl. stinger leaves a great wound as well....
4 bl. Stinger:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/bgeckle/Untitled_zps9c3a6372.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bgeckle/media/Untitled_zps9c3a6372.jpg.html)
2 bl. Buzz-cut (Exit wound):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/bgeckle/100_7321.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bgeckle/media/100_7321.jpg.html)
2 bl. Stinger (high entrance wound):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/bgeckle/100_7265.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bgeckle/media/100_7265.jpg.html)
4 bl. Stinger (entrance):
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/bgeckle/02-20-2009124528PM.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bgeckle/media/02-20-2009124528PM.jpg.html)
2 bl. Stinger:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/bgeckle/Deer%20Season%2008/BishopMail2.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/bgeckle/media/Deer%20Season%2008/BishopMail2.jpg.html)
Would you guys recommend a 2 or 4 blade for a 55# @ 27" Black Widow?
Either will work.
What I like about the Stinger 4 bl. is that it is very small. I haven't noticed it reducing penetration (on whitetail), and the small bleeder helps open the wound more = more blood loss. So I would recommend the 4 bl. over the 2 bl. in Stingers. My longbow is 54#.
However, the 2 bl. Buzz-cut shot from my longbow, also left a gaping wound on my buck; I won't hesitate to use it again.
Thanks.
So I am going to be the black sheep in this conversation.
As many here know and have read I am a huge fan of the Stinger 4bl. I have killed everything with them from elk to lions to hogs and more.
Last year I won as a door prize some buzz cut 4bl. So I mounted them up and shot my antelope buck with them. Now I have only shot one animal with it and it cut a good hole. But barely had two holes. The deep notches in the blade were completly cloged with hair and tissue covering the sharp edges on the off side.
I will sticking with the 4bl standard when I am shooting stingers.
So have you guys noticed any difference in penetration between them? Guess I'm asking whether the Buzzcut penetrates as well as the Stinge?
QuoteOriginally posted by jkm97:
Would you guys recommend a 2 or 4 blade for a 55# @ 27" Black Widow?
4 You got plenty of uumph and those little bleeders don't slow the arrow down at all... I love both the Buzzcuts and regular.
Guy I know shot a buffalo on a ranch, got a pass through with a buzzcut, the rancher said nobody had gotten that far through one before at his ranch, not even with a wheel bow. Deer I shot last season with a buzzcut didn't even slow the arrow down I don't think. Was about ten degrees out and still for four or five inches of penetration into the frozen ground.
I have no idea why but I like 4-blade buzz cut and 2-blade stingers but I don't know why,,,, I know modern compound shooters are shooting the 2-blade stingers 100yds hitting 2" groups on YT even they are amazed at that broadhead.. amazing stuff
i have shot quite a few deer with both stingers and buzzcuts. even though they are pretty sharp straight out of the pack, a stinger sharpened on my KME to super sharp makes a big difference on bloodtrails. i would use the buzzcut if you are not able to sharpen to a razors edge. on deer sized game, have not seen much difference between the 2 and 4 blade models. i have found the main blades have been hunting sharp out of the pack but the bleeders definitely need to be sharpened. just my $.02
The 100 grain Buzzcuts have performed well for me with low 50's recurves from 190-199fps with 380 grain Beman ICS 500's.
All but one passed thru of the 4 deer I have shot with them, and it hit off side shoulder, and the blades sharpened on the back left a fist sized hole where it backed out running through the brush.
Hard to shoot anything else when they shoot where you look, and have a lifetime warranty...here is the biggest bodied one (250-275#)
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Nice!
I've killed a few with Stingers and wheels...I think you guys have talked me into sticking with them with my Widow.
I like em have always used em but latly have strayed but hard to beat em especially when they are made in my home town
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Far side shoulder 42 lb. bow
I've never used the buzz cuts but have used the Stinger 4 blades for years now and I can't see me using anything else. If it works great why change.
I've only ever used the regular stinger 4 blades on deer and really liked them however looking at them I was a little concerned with their design. Because of the bleeder blade setup up it looks like a weak point to me. I like the design of the two blade 125 much better and plan to use those for elk this year....probably a non-issue in the long run. Ferret have you ever had one fail or break on you? Just curious because you've shot them a lot obviously with great success!
The picture above by SS Snuffer is what I'm thinking.....although once it's stuck in the far side leg and breaks it kind of doesn't matter. :)
I use both and prefer the buzzcut and the 4 blade. I think magnus made the perfect size bleeder for that head. Its been 5+ years now that I started using a KME and the buzzcuts. About that time I started to noticed a definite increase in the amount of blood on the ground and distances critters traveled had shrunk. Not sure if its the KME gettin things really, REALLY sharp or the serrations making a difference but I aint changin a thing :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by Tajue17:
I have no idea why but I like 4-blade buzz cut and 2-blade stingers but I don't know why,,,, I know modern compound shooters are shooting the 2-blade stingers 100yds hitting 2" groups on YT even they are amazed at that broadhead.. amazing stuff
I should also ad to my comment that I would use them with all my bows if magnus would make them up to 200grains,,, if magnus made stingers and buzz cuts in 175/200/250 grain it would be the perfect broadhead for me.
[/QUOTE]I would use them with all my bows if magnus would make them up to 200grains,,, if magnus made stingers and buzz cuts in 175/200/250 grain it would be the perfect broadhead for me. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I agree. I actually emailed them asking if they could or would make any broadheads in heavier weights, and their reply was "no, the existing market doesn't warrant the investment of a new product."
Maybe if a bunch of us emailed them requesting a heavier head, that would warrant the investment.
that's what brass inserts are for;)
Goat, you're right. 150grain stingers are available on their website, so with all the configurations of broadhead weights and inserts now available, you should be able to come pretty close the set up you need. It would just be more convieniant if their were more BH weights available.
QuoteOriginally posted by Pheonixarcher:
Goat, you're right. 150grain stingers are available on their website, so with all the configurations of broadhead weights and inserts now available, you should be able to come pretty close the set up you need. It would just be more convieniant if their were more BH weights available.
Yeah, not a one size fit's all decision is it, I like shooting 125gr heads because there are soooo many out there so I try to tune for total 225 up front with a 100gr insert and 125gr head, so I can shoot bullheads, stingers etc...
stinger or knapped heads :thumbsup:
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
that's what brass inserts are for;)
I know but a lot of my arrows have the regular inserts and I can't get them out,,,, its awful..
noticed your from Arvada, CO.. I used to live on SW 53rd st off wadsworth pkwy near Gart bro's sports,,, worked at the homestead house in Westminster on wadsworth.
QuoteOriginally posted by Tajue17:
QuoteOriginally posted by old_goat2:
that's what brass inserts are for;)
I know but a lot of my arrows have the regular inserts and I can't get them out,,,, its awful..
noticed your from Arvada, CO.. I used to live on SW 53rd st off wadsworth pkwy near Gart bro's sports,,, worked at the homestead house in Westminster on wadsworth. [/b]
I live 10 blocks straight north of there, those inserts will come out, you just have to be reaaaallllll careful, best method I've found is get biggest fieldtip you can find, I use 225gr, heat them slowly with propane welding torch like you use for sweating pipes, apply a little heat, and try turning with pliers, apply a little more heat, then try turning with pliers, the super glue will give eventually, only arrow I've had bad luck doing this with is the Kevlar arrows and it can be done with those, but it's a lot easier to cross that threshold of too much heat. Then once you have them out, put the new ones in with hot glue.