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Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: Knawbone on July 07, 2013, 02:32:00 PM
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My land is boardered on three sides by state land, and although most hunters respect my posted property, there are three guys who gun hunt that don't. I would like to be able to set up cameras in key locations to catch these guys. Using trail cameras has it's disadvantages due to the motion triggering. I would like to find some cameras that are triggered by a trip cord. I would be able to set the cameras anywhere in the woods and wouldn't have to worry about moving branches and such setting off the camera. Does anyone know were I could find such cameras at a reasonable price. These guys go wherever they feel like it and have gone as far as to rub it in my face. Iv' totally had enough and need to resolve this problem.
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Trip cords would likely alert them to your camera location, allowing them to simply steal it. I would go with the motion triggered trail camera. I would alson consider a second well concealed camera focused on the first camera. That way, if they do steal the original camera, you may be able to get them for theft as well as criminal trespass.
If you catch them, you may need to very insistent with the prosecutor to act on a misdemeanor case. Prosecute the case most vigorously.
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You might want to build a relationship with the local game warden and ask for help/advise too. They may have just the equipment to assist with ease.
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Robo-Buck!!!!! Kinda hard for an already skeevy tresspasser to resist!!!!! LMAO!
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Originally posted by Bud B.:
You might want to build a relationship with the local game warden and ask for help/advise too. They may have just the equipment to assist with ease.
Talk with the local Warden, they may not be willing to prosecute, even with evidence. Hate to make you go through all the trouble of catching them only to be humiliated when they walk.
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If you get a camera, get a "blackout" type, with no visible flash.
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When I have tried to go the Game Warden route I have have little success if I even got a response. I hope you can find a solution......
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I would start with the warden route. They like to catch these guys too and usually welcome a heads up on violators...
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Trespassing is not a typical game law violation though wardens can and do enforce it. You might try contacting your local sheriff's office and tell them what's going on. If you have the names of the violators that's even better.
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I would advise the Sheriffs or SPs. They cant opt out of prosecuting. Its not their land, if you have evidence of particular trespassers youll be the complainant. Best bet is persistence with respect and you'll get what you need.
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The problem is, game wardens are typically way too busy with other violations like shooting at night or shooting from a vehicle, come deer season.
Contact a local sheriff deputy and see if he can locate any vehicles parked during the trespassing times.
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Originally posted by Cyclic-Rivers:
Originally posted by Bud B.:
You might want to build a relationship with the local game warden and ask for help/advise too. They may have just the equipment to assist with ease.
Talk with the local Warden, they may not be willing to prosecute, even with evidence. Hate to make you go through all the trouble of catching them only to be humiliated when they walk. [/b]
24 years in law enforcement here. On a simple charge like this, 2nd degree trespassing (the charge for NC), or hunting without permission (violation of NC game laws), is up to the landowner for willingness to prosecute, not law enforcement's. It's law enforcement's duty to assist the landowner/victim.
In NC you can register your land with the state for wildlife officers to patrol, when capable, 24/7 and they will prosecute on your behalf.
Good luck Dave.
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Maybe there are some officers here that will contribute their thoughts David. For what its worth here are my thoughts... I understand you are frustrated but trail cams are rather easy to spot, not a cheap investment, and as we all know not hard to steal. I would learn the fine or consequences for the trespassers even if you were able to "catch" them? Talk to the ECO, talk to the Sheriff. See what there attitude and/or interest is in your problem first. Good luck! Jim
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If you're going to put up trail cameras... Take a set of climbing sticks or a ladder & put the camera up in a tree, on a limb, facing down on an angle.
We had a guy tresspassing on our property, who also happened to put a trail camera up. we took out the memory card & got a few good pictures of him and his Dunkin Donuts cup adjusting the camera. Then we came back & put the memory card back in the camera. Then, we removed the camera, and my friend used his climber to put the camera about 15' up a tree, not 10' from the tree he had it mounted on... He came back & looked extremely "bewildered"... Like he couldn't remember where he had put the camera!!!!! We got alot of good pictures of him wandering around, looking for the camera... They say "deer never look up" well, niether did this guy!!!!! It was SO FUNNY!!!!!
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Wow am I glad I don't live in a eastern state! Out here trespassing isn't taken lightly. I think any trespass in our state is a automatic loss of hunting privileges. I think Montana is stricter yet.
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First do you lease this property or just knock on door ground. If you lease it and they rub it in your face you have evru.leagal right to press charges for tresspassin and you local sheriff can do that for you. I wouldnt stop pressin charges every time you catch em call the law tthey will get tired of being writen and ot shows a pattern to the courts as well what sucks is you have to police your ground is your state a citizen arrest state if it is that just helps you more detain them and wait for the law
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Yeh it's no less than fustrating, and I have talked to two dif. CO's about the problem, and maybe I should talk to the sheriff's dept. But as the rule of law go's, without hard proof, it's their word against mine. I have their licence plate numbers and they always park in the same place. Last year they helped themselves to my Tee Pee I have up on the hill. I leave the Door unlocked so the bears can walk in and out instead of climbing on it. So some time after deer season, the three of them went in and built a fire and left the place a mess. This was after I tried to be nice to them and ask them not to hunt on my land because it messed up my hunting. Iv' followed their tracks in the snow right to were they park their trucks. I try to be a law abiding person, but I'm about to take matters into my own hands. Maybe if someone were to let the air out of their tires every time they hunted the hill, they might either change their tune or better yet, decide it wasn't worth hunting here. I won't do that because two wrongs don't make a right, but I sure think about it a lot. Maybe one of the neighbors will beat me to it.
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Edited:
I was typing my post when you responded saying you have talked to them. If they have been warned and asked to please stay out then hammer them. No respect shown, no respect given!
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You don't want to get caught trespassing Wyoming...
or mistakenly wander on Ute Indian Reservation in Colorado...
I suggest you contact the DEC and work out a solution with a Warden. Looks good for them working a sting operation when they have time to set up prior to the season.
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Iv done just about everything suggested on this thread at one time or another. This has been going on for about 10 years now. This last year with the Tee Pee thing has me furious. I do now how to stop it. I'm am going to have one last talk with the Sheriffs dept. If they can't help me, I'm going to suggest they look the other way when these guys complain about someone letting the air out of their tires and throwing the valve stem valves away. I'm willing to bet they will get sick of having four flat tires every time they come back from hunting.I can tell you I'm very slow to anger, but these guys are starting to tread on really thin water.
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There may be a possibility there Joe. These guys always scout the hill the day before the season. I was doing the same last year and caught them on one of the neighbors property. That could work if i can get the interest of the Conservation dept. Trouble is they don't usually want to bother with simple trespass matters. My ex-brother in law is a retired C.O, so maybe I can get him to throw some weight on the matter. To me it's a big deal, but to law enforcement its a big hassle they rather not deal with.Can't blame them, that's just the way it is. They get hundreds of trespassing calls every deer season.With limited resources, they have other priorities.
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Thank you everyone for your helpful insights and care. To tell you the truth,I just need to leave it to the man up stairs.
God bless, Knawbone
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I hope it works out for you I cant stand people who do things like that
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I definitely would not alert anyone of the possibility of your taking matters into your own hands...tires, etc.
Are these fellows predictable? If so, just be where you can physically take the pictures yourself. Then you have the evidence you need for LE. Of course the owner (you I hope) has to be willing to press charges. Officers detest, and I don't blame them, just running people off. If they spend their time they want to make the trespassers pay...literally.
By the way, If the local CO doesn't want to pay you any mind I'd write three letters, 1 each to my state rep, agency director, and the board or Commission member who represents your area. Agencies get so few letters they pay attention.
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Please make sure you are armed. Protect yourself. Here in FL trespass hunting is a felony to my knowledge. You are way too nice a guy but good on you for being civilized. If it were my land I don't think I could abide more than 1 time let alone 10 years. What's that jingle?- trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again...
Whatever you do be safe. Good luck. Give em hell.
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Thanks bowwild, These guys trespass at random and are never predictable. Hence my reason for wantimg a trip line style camera. I think if i could find one that could be triggered by a thread size line, one in which they wouldn't feel and a camera that could be easily hidden, that would be the ticket. I am going to add more trail cameras to my benefit and post that the property is protected by such. Maybe that and another talk with them will resolve the matter. I also will continue to pursue the matter threw judicial means, and I very much appreciate your input.
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I think your sheriff's dept would be the best bet and since you already know who these guys are and may have names and could possibly get their addresses perhaps a letter from an attorney outlining the consequences of trespassing on your property would make it official, have them cc the Sheriff's office with the same letter. It worked for my Dad when we had a guy trespassing and making threats. Never saw that guy again.
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Nineworlds9, You can't even punch a trespasser in NY, let alone shoot one.
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David, I think we all hear your frustration.
I thank Bud for correcting me earlier. The gist of the post was to talk with the law before thinking game cams would be an end all.
Taking matters into your own hands isn't a good idea. I hope your persistence with the Sheriff or Encon will pay off.
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Get photos of them then sue them in civil court.
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David I'm with Izzy on this one. Contact both the County Sheriffs and the NYSP along with your local ENCON officer. Be kind with your request, but show your concern. if you get them all working together your problem should go away. You can help gather evidence and information to help them, but don't take the law into your own hands. That could leave you open to civil liabilities. Also be aware to who these individuals are and their ties to the community. If everyone is on board you should have smooth sailing and stress that to all involved. If need be contact an attorney to help you get your point across. :readit: Above all remember your third eye and watch your back and don't let anger affect your decisions.
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Thanks Lee, I will continue to pursue the matter in a responsible and professional manor. As I said before, two wrongs don't make a right. It has been helpful to vent my feelings and get input from my TG family. I'm not the only land owner that they trespass on, so that fact may lend itself to more solutions as well. I will talk to some of the neighbors to get there take on the situation, talk to law enforcement again and get this resolved by persistance and legal council if need be.
Thanks again one and all
God bless, KB
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Knaw, you've got a good head on your shoulders seem to have your wits about you. The few comments after mine do make a lot of sense considering our current day and age, what with lawsuits being filed at the drop of a hat. I really hope you get the law on your side and these guys get the book thrown at em. Either way, good on you for taking the high road. I'm still not sure I could given my temper and things like this being a hot button issue for me. I think for me it would be just one more example of this age's entitlement culture. I really hope these guys get busted hard.
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Consult with your local law enforcement/wardens service and all that....but also, dont give up on your camera scheme. Like woodchucker said, bring your climber, sticks, or even an extension ladder....put those cameras at an elevated position (12 ft min Id say). Cut wedges out of a 2x4, 2x6 or whatever. Mount the cam with the wedge behind it, to give you your downward angle. Remeber, yeah....maybe they will "walk" for the tresspassing violation. But you may also catch them doing other illegal activities on your cams! You'll have document date and time. Put them in the right place and you may get some interesting and or useful photos!
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Again, Dec is not your best avenue in thus instance. As you know, they're stretched out beyond being readily available. All ny state have the ability to enforce environmental laws but this is not one. This is a penal law issue.
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You said that you know where they park thier vehical.....
I'd go on that auction site(or wherever) and buy a boot!!! Boot their tire and leave your phone # on a piece of tape on the boot. Treat it just like illegal parking! charge them $100 to remove the boot... Btw, when they call you, make a call & have the Sherrif's Deputys in route. With the Deputy there, explain that they are not welcome & are tresspassing. They can pay you $100 or the Deputy can write them a ticket... Their call!!!
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Sorry KB, just saw that they are tresspassing on your neighbor's propertys as well... Get together with your neighbors,and whenever one of you see's them on any of your propertys. Go and boot thier truck!!!!! Now they've not only "lost" your property, but all of your neighbor's propertys as well!!!
Strength in numbers.....
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Just thinking...
In the event that you're unable to get your hands on a boot, A short piece of log chain & a monster padlock works almost as good!!!!!
(put it through the "spokes" of most rims & around the tire)
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My neighbor, deals with trespassers by using a Syringe to inject skunk scent through the rubber widow seals of vehicles so that it goes inside the vehicle.
They don't return and word of it travels fast keeping new trespassers away to.
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skunk scent.....that's awesome....
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Gotta be careful with vehicle boots, log chains, etc. Tampering with a motor vehicle is a felony... trespassing is a misdemeanor.
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Contact your appropriate officials as reccomended.
I believe this has run its course