It's summer time and you are wondering what can I do to stay in shape and keep sharp in my achery skills?
The answer of course is to go Frogging :scared:
So in light of those facts this how to is for the guys and gals that love eating frogs more than missing them!
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"Show-me" the point!!
It sure looks like you've found the answer to missing frogs.
God bless,Mudd
Had me too. I thought this was a Frog Point thread!
I counted 7 frog there and their lools to be more than that fried up there so what the great equalizer?
To begin with let do the obligatory disclaimer: "The following how to is not my brain child but a modification of an ideas seen on a u-tube video" Can't say who the actual first designer was but a great ideas is worth sharing.
Now consider the normal blunt or field point that may be used to hunt frogs has an diameter of 5/16th to 3/8th of an inch contact surface to try and put in the kill zone of a 2"to 4" target.
Now consider that same 2" to 4" kill zone being zeroed in by these...
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well now that will work good on ya Bud :biglaugh:
Oh I like how you think on that might have to make one
By using this simple and easy to make points my success has markedly improved, a near miss has turned into "Frogs ala du creame" (thats French for finger licking good!)
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Ok let Git R done Rrrribit!
Tools required: a 3# SLEDGE Hammer or bigger your choice, Dremmel tool with a cut off wheel, pliers or vice grips, and an anvil or a Box Blade in my case :biglaugh:
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Oh almost forgot...lets be safe
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For the material needed you need to get some concrete reenforcement wire panel the panel that have the 4" squares. It is much stouter than "hog wire".
Got mine at Lowes and purchased it as a 4'x 8' sheet.
Step 1. Using the Dremmel tool cut out the ceter cross section in the wire as seen below.
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The "cross" piece should be sized at this point for the size "Frog Point" desire.
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These here are sized to make a point 2 3/4" wide by 3 1/2" long at the center point.
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That's some good eatin'!
I haven't gotten to eat frog legs since about 1988 probably and I ate those in a restaraunt in Las Vegas and they were gross, tasted old or something and I haven't ordered any since and haven't been where I could get enough of them to be worthwhile! I'm green with envy, but don't shoot me with your gig!
Ok sorry i'm back and also had to reboot the wifi unit :banghead:
Step 2. Take your roughed sized points to your anvil (Box Blade, hard metal surface, something that you can pound on without damaging) and with your sledge hammer flatten out the 3 ends that will make up your gig points. This should be about a 1" section at the tips.
Wearing the hearing protection and safety goggles is recommended.
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Step 3. Using a pair of pliers or vice grips (forgot to show a pic of these as one of the tools needed) Grab hold of the side leg at approximately half the width you want the gig point to be. In other words IF YOU WANT A 3" wide point then set your pliers at 1 1/2" out from the center point and bend the leg up at a 90 degree angle.
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Do the same for the other side.
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Step 4. Now using the dremmel tool with your cut off wheel Cut the points in at a 45 degree angle as shown.
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Do this to all 3 point, I normally do the side point in the opposite direction as the center point (at least on one side). You can play around with the shape of the point as you feel is best for you.
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You will need to cut in your barbs at this point too, simply notch out a section under the point being careful not to cut to deep and weakening the point.
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Step 5. Gluing in the points; I use busted arrows that are still sufficiently long enough to be used as frog arrows.
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I cut off the busted ends right at the end of the cracks and then using Gorilla glue glue in the insert.
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Step 6. Next the point itself is glued in.
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Step 7. After letting dry for a couple of hours the points can be cleaned up if desired, and the point can be filed sharp but not necessary.
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Now go shoot some frogs!
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My luck, I'd make those side bends just EXACTLY the right size to miss the frog on both sides, and pin him temporarily to the bottom till he wiggled out and was GONE!
That is very interesting. So the concrete wire actually fits up inside the threaded insert?
In pic 6, it appears there is a bump in there and the insert looks like it is way shorter than the 1 1/2" long "tail" you left to go up inside?
Can you clarify that for a dummy???
Thanks and very ingenious!
I'll definately be making these! I lost 2 judo points to over determined bull frogs who hopped away with my arrows! I had to hand grab and "fishpole" the remainder of the day. Great idea here. Thanks for the help.
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Hey Doc, yes the wire size used here (concrete re-enforcement) actually screw in almost like a threaded insert. These are GT inserts with an opening on the end so the extra length screws pass the end for extra security once the glue expands.
Thanks for that clarification, John
I use the heavier brass inserts and they don't have the "thru hole". I don't know if that is available on other arrow mfg inserts or not.
I'm sure that I have a few of those old GT alum inserts around as I've shot GT's a lot over the years.
Problem is finding frogs around my area. I think our chipmunks eat frogs, instead of the other way around! :saywhat: :rolleyes:
I have a concrete guy a few doors down. Maybe I can get him to bring me some wire scrap to make up just a few... just in case!
I'm thinking that clarification on the length and using inserts might help others, as well!
Thank you!
Mike,
Great mess of frogs!
John, I'm not sure what I like better, the tutorial or the plate of cooked frog legs :thumbsup: Looks like I just acquired a little 4th of July weekend project!
Larry,
Same here while posting the pictures last night I could smell and taste the lightly battered and golden fried Frog legs just by looking at that picture! :bigsmyl:
About how much do those weigh in at?
Hey, those are great! Thanks for the tutorial.
AWESOME tutorial!!!
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
It makes me want to go harvest some frogs for supper!
Keep the wind in your face!
Shoot straight, Shinken
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Garrett,
You can adjust the weight by adjusting the width and length of the head.
In the picture below the smaller head and insert weight 200 and is the same as my normal head wt range. The bigger head I didn't weight but would venture to guess 300.
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QuoteOriginally posted by South MS Bowhunter:
Garrett,
You can adjust the weight by adjusting the width and length of the head.
In the picture below the smaller head and insert weight 200 and is the same as my normal head wt range. The bigger head I didn't weight but would venture to guess 300.
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Thanks for the reply. That is just the kind of info I was hoping for. My setup is a 100gr insert with 125 point. I may try making a couple frog-gigging arrows with my next batch of arrows using a standard insert.
Doc, I am guessing that "bump" is just a glob of that wet glue, made to look more than it is by the picture.
ChuckC
Stick a couple in your pack or quiver pocket for an emergency fish arrow when you go hunting . Would work real good. Catch a lot of squirrels and chipmunks too.
God bless, Steve
Chuck, I suppose you're right...
Sure is a slick set up! If we had much in the way of frogs hereabouts, I'd be all over this. Still want to make up a couple... As suggested by Steve, I bet they'd make some interesting fish points too... but might require more adaptation to not pull back out too easily.
Very cool idea! Only ate frog legs once..sauteed in a seafood restaurant. Aside from their looking like small people torsos and legs... they were delicious. Done in butter and garlic and white wine I believe!
of course, those pictures of li'l frogs in wheelchairs coming out of the kitchen later made me do a double take though! :rolleyes: :saywhat:
Chuck and Doc, yes that is just the glue you're seeing in that picture.
Steve I like that ideas! A small bottle of Gorrilla glue activated by water and your set, could be super glue for that matter but I like the expanding foam that surround the end of the inserted piece that give a Little more grip.
Great tutorial! Gonna make up some and play around with them!
Giggin arrow heads COOL!!!!! I love frog legs, I know what I'm doing today. Thanks :)
For those of you wondering how they shoot or fly, at the range i'm shooting 10' to 25' they fly great. I do carry a blunt tipped arrow for the frog that like to sit on the logs, but if your shooting ability is good you can easily knock them off with head shots and not risk sticking the head in the log.
In the likelihood you do stick the log careful back and forth movement has gotten the heads out for me, and usually the logs are waterlogged to the point to allow easier removal.
The surefire cure for this though is "Don't Miss" :pray:
and now the french touch
flour your "cuisse de grenouille" , hop hop in the frying pan with a bit of butter and some onions sliced very fine , don't color them ...
salt pepper and cognac and make it blaze ..
mix some creme fraiche with some eggs yoke , add it to the cuisse de grenouille , let it cook 2 minutes but NOT BOILING ..
put it in a dish
bon appetit !!
you can add some crouton on top of it ..
jean-vincent,
Sir can you translate the recipe ingredients for us less coulture hillbillies in the south :readit:
You do understand that simple acronyms like TGIF (Thank God It's Friday) is translated different down here. In the South on the back of all of our shoes you find this same acronym TGIF stamped on the back of the heel here it means "Toes Go In First" :biglaugh:
lol !!
creme fraiche , single/double cream .. the thick one cuisse de grenouille , frog legs
cognac , brandy
Well now that we have all that rounded out... how's about one of your slick guys do a "how to" on cleaning and prepping them for all this gastronomical delight!
Ya just take a big blade and whack off them at the waist, or what? & how do you skin a frog?
No ethnic reference intended! :eek:
Doc,
That's exactly how I do it, I have a machete that I whack right above the pelvic area separating the rear legs from the body.Then work my finger under and around the skin till i'm between the frogs leg and then grab hold of the skin while pulling down with one hand and with the other holding unto the groin area of the frog pull up until the skin pulls free. Really take longer to write this then to actually do it.
If I go tonight and have success i'll try and have my wife video it, no promises though.
You can easily u-tube several how to on everything there is to know about frogging.
You guys got me jonzin for some frog hunting!
the ones' I've ever seen fishing were mighty small... just not something I see often hereabouts!
I need to fine some...that sounds wonderful!
My grandad used to take a fly rod, put bright colored ribbon on a hook and dangle it in front of them and catch them on a hook... Don't remember him every having any to eat though...must've been when he was a kid!
Good luck hunting, John!
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What a cool looking home made gig... I love it bro!
:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:
That concrete reinforcement wire makes great tomato baskets too. I've got some I've been using for twenty years.
Do you use a low poundage bow for this?
I had a friend of mine just send me a photo of a frog he shot with a rig similar to yours that tore the head right off. :eek: :eek:
Awesome points thanks for the how to, me and the boys can take turns holding the light. Actually see a few spare evenings in future since ball ended, forget football practice starts soon.
Just back in about an hour ago...hot wet, and rainy night
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But perfect for frogging
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These heads are Awesome! The sound they make when they hit sounds like a ballon popping pop!
More pic's tomorrow Kirk (Possum Head) will send me pic's after church when he cleans them (Thanks Ol buddy) Probally got about 30 between the 5 of us. Kirk didnt shoot he acted as point man and holder of the flame, the crew was a mix of hand grabbing, Gigging and a lot of shooting, I got the least of the bunch (did i say I can't shoot :banghead: ) Awesome night!
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Great tutorial, bolt cutters will cut the remesh faster and cleaner than the dremmel
O.K. the official post dressing,(or undressing if you will) yielded 27 darlings. After carrying the bag 2 hours it felt like 227! Congrats to all my shooting companions for a romantic evening in the swamp. A special thumbs up to my boy who managed to talk John (S.Ms. Bowhunter) out of his Centaur long enough for 3 consecutive kills. He's not even into trad like Pop but I hope he gets the virus. Picks will be up as soon as my sweetheart wakes up from her Sunday evening coma.
I must add that I've messed with concrete wire many times and still cant believe how durable these heads are at 2 3/4" wide. The wire is super hard and is best straightened with a pair of pliers if a bend does develop. Points any wider would hinder shooting through small branches as is the case from time to time where we hunt. As mentioned earlier a blunt is a good back-up for stump sitters or those in the thicket. Frogs hit with these bad boys know they've been hit!
I've never been out gigging frogs, but I sure like eatin' 'em, so I think I'll give it a try sometime soon.
That's a pretty slick little arrow gig you have there. Thanks for the info and for sharing the idea.
John, that sure is a good looking mess of frogs! Looks like you guys has a great time :clapper:
DANG!
That is a PILE of frogs legs right there!
Enjoy the feast!
:jumper: :jumper: :jumper:
Shoot straight, Shinken
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What an AWSOME thread boys, yall really cleaned up. Good idea on frog point there John. Congrats to all of you, Shane
Sorry guys....didn't read the thread....didn't realise it was a tutorial....Larry Surtees made one like that a couple of years ago for pheasants.
Congrats....looks like too much fun!!!
Thanks Terry wouldn't sure if i didn't violate a rule on offering up a free how to :eek:
now do those points come with a tetanus shot? lol
I am going to try these. They look great!
Yes they do check out the frog cleaning tread for some damage pic's.
I posted this on another thread for some asking questions, so to keep this information with this original subject thought I'd re-post here for conveniences.
"For those still asking questions or commenting on the "Pitchfork" frog gigging point here a few lessons learned from this season.
1. Not my original idea just modified a version I seen on You Tube to a stronger size wire for durability and matching them up with the inserts for ease of use.
2. As for weight, it can be adjusted by just reducing or increasing the width or length of the heads.
3. As for Best size, it has proven out for me and the others I hunt with that a width of 2 1/4" wide x 2 1/4" long and the center point at 2 1/2" works best "UPDATED SIZE 5/12/14 the smaller the better for flight and strenth 1.5 x 1.5 or a little larger is prefered" and will get the job done. We shoot through a lot of tangles and water reeds etc.. and the smaller head just hangs up less but is devastating when it hit :readit:
4. When you bend them, you will at some point use pliers to re-shape and spin test for trueness. This is important, if not true they will nosedive."