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Title: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: pcg on June 20, 2013, 04:55:00 PM: John was one of the seminal figures in bow circles for many decades. His longbows rival anyone's. An amazing shot, he conducted 100s of workshops, gave shooting demonstrations, inspired 1,000s, made a video (or two) and wrote books.

Today it's difficult at best to learn much about him. His books are out of print; the video/DVD isn't sold.

Is anyone here in touch with John? Or know about his health? Does he still shoot? Let's get a discussion going!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Ben Maher on June 20, 2013, 06:00:00 PM: I think Mr Schulz is long retired. I know that he has suffered some ill health after a work place accident some time back .

He has a fine legacy behind him , and IMHO , his books are required reading for the longbow enthusiast .

I have a personally signed letter that I framed he wrote to me that takes pride of place upon my wall.

I gather that he is happy for his legacy , in his books and students , to tell to us of the volumes of knowledge and experiences , rather than do it himself .

Personally , I believe that the archery world is a much finer place for me personally for all of Mr Schulz writings .

I am not much one for 'hero's' or even labels ... for their easy use diminish's the meaning , even the word "legend" seems lesser for its overuse in today's society ...

However,

Mr Schulz though is one who assuredly deserves archery legend status , and in my mind, alongside few others, sits atop the heap
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: joe skipp on June 20, 2013, 07:35:00 PM: I really enjoyed his video "Hitting 'em Like Howard Hill". John was low keyed, stayed behind the scenes but he could probably write a great book about his hunts and the ones he shared with Howard.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Ben Maher on June 20, 2013, 07:41:00 PM: Joe, if you get a chance read "Straight Shooting" by John Schulz ... its a great read .
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gene Wensel on June 20, 2013, 10:29:00 PM: I'm proud to say I've known John for almost 40 years now. He's one of the finest men I've ever known. I attended his church for many years and must say he was one of the best preachers I've ever heard. Although he wasn't running from the law, I always wrote his address in pencil, as he bounced back and forth between Redding, CA, Hamilton, MT, Cody WY, Bull Shoals, AR and several other shorter stops in southern Missouri and Oregon if I remember right! The man liked to move! I have sitting beside me right now a half dollar coin John knocked out of the air twice in a row for me on July 1, 1975. I have two of his personal bows and several others he made for me. I was with him when he killed both his biggest bear and his biggest buck, and helped him track and drag both out. What memories! What shooting! John's wife Jane passed away not long ago. He has been back and forth between Cody and the Bitterroot since. Several of his children live in both areas. I'm going to try to hook up with him next month during my annual trip west. Not many people know that John was severely burnt in a fire in 2001. As a matter of fact, John was discharged from the Salt Lake City national Burn Unit Center just weeks before Paul Brunner was admitted for severe burns in his accident. They had the same physician. He signed #002 of 100 of his book "Straight Shooting" to me. I still have it. John designed the Hunters Head broadhead in the mid-'70s. I killed the first big game animal taken with it (a bear). When I later designed the Woodsman broadhead, I wanted a three blade version of the Hunter's Head, which always made John smile. Not many people know that John wrote poetry. I will share one of his poems later here. In summary, just let me say that John Schulz is one classy man. He made me a better person. I sincerely hope I get to see him again next month.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Charlie Lamb on June 20, 2013, 10:50:00 PM: Very interesting Gene. Thanks for those words about John. He's certainly one of my heroes.

PCG... there was never any decision to purposely exclude John from our legends forum. It's just that there is a lack of written material about the man. Get me enough stuff for an article and I'll add him myself... gladly.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gene Wensel on June 20, 2013, 10:53:00 PM: To Go Again
by John Shulz

I think I'd like to go again
To life that now has passed
With some old friends
To days that didn't last-

To once more hear the bay of hounds
While canyons deep send back the sound
And like the echo of that song
Fade into stillness- and then be gone-

To smell the salt of horse's sweat
(From ropin' calves) their bodies wet
Then go- tie one on the ground
And hope that I just won the round-

To wander through sweet rows of hay
And feel the sunshine of the day
Know that when it's put away
All dry and safe- let come what may-

Lone in some forest streaked with light
See "Mosshorn" stand - no sign of fright
My arrow sent from full drawn bow
True to the spot - it must needs go-

To go again by campfire bright
With lantern's soft dim glow
Retell those tales into the night
In voices hushed and low-

To go again to some filled hall
Then hear us preachers- one and all
Lift up God's Christ
And sound the Gospel call-

To go again when children- not yet grown
Were in their joy and play
Then all of life was only "home"
But now- they're gone away-

To go again? It cannot be
Except it is in memory
So then- I'll only look ahead
Not live the past- long dead-

No more of earth- my need to be
Of hollow things and vanity
But there together ever be
With Jesus Christ- Eternity-
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Ben Maher on June 20, 2013, 10:54:00 PM: Thanks heaps for posting that Gene.
I gathered you lads you were mates going by his writings in Straight Shooting .

I bought the last ten copies of that book from him , asking that one get signed if possible . Unfortunately they were all wrapped and in plastic ... either way I was happy just to get the copies as the book had become quite rare ...

A week after the books turned up here in Australia ,I received letter in the mail ... A letter from John wishing me well and that all my shooting be "straight shooting" ...

A great gesture from a man who has made quite an influence on me all these thousands of miles away .
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: nineworlds9 on June 20, 2013, 11:14:00 PM: I love learning about the guy and I love ogling his bows. I've had the pleasure of two bows from his faithful student David Miller, both of which are functional art, John's bows must somehow be even just that much more special.

John is known beyond the USA, I was doing some net surfing and found a book by a German author called "Legends in Archery" and John was included in the chapter list:

1. Maurice und Will Thompson

2. Ishi

3. Horace A. Ford

4. William J. Compton

5. Arthur H. Young

6. Saxton T. Pope

7. Walt und Ken Wilhelm

8. Hugh Rich

9. Frank Eicholtz

10. Ben Pearson

11. Sasha Siemel

12. Fred Bear

13. Ande Vail

14. Howard Hill

15. William Negley

16. Bob Swinehart

17. JOHN SCHULZ <------------

18. Byron Ferguson
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Quickblood on June 20, 2013, 11:17:00 PM: I've met John many times in years past and cherished them all. He was a fine gentleman and always willing to share! Yep - A Legend!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gordon Jabben on June 20, 2013, 11:20:00 PM: Thanks Gene. His poetry is as good as his shooting.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stalkin4elk on June 20, 2013, 11:21:00 PM: For those who have not seen the man shoot.

http://archeryduns.webs.com/apps/videos/videos/show/14895607-hit-em-like-howard-hill-parts

I have tried unsuccessfully to find copies of his books and would like to know where to get them.
Thanks.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: nineworlds9 on June 20, 2013, 11:33:00 PM: Thanks for the vid link!!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: longbow guy on June 21, 2013, 12:08:00 AM: Mr John Schulz, a legend :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Pat B. on June 21, 2013, 12:12:00 AM: Thanks Gene >>
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Nate Steen . on June 21, 2013, 12:17:00 AM: I have two signed letters from John concerning shooting, form, and bows...priceless. He was the catalyst that got me shooting the longbow....in the early 80's I saw the photo of him shaking hands with Howie Fly over the buck that won the Wyoming national hunt...that did it for me. The call of the American Longbow has been with me ever since.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: KSdan on June 21, 2013, 12:38:00 AM: Yup. Everything said and more for sure. I also have his "Straight Shooting" with a personalized note and some Scripture. I also heard he struggled with lung cancer perhaps (??)

A few weeks ago he was mentioned on this site. I and others referred to reviewing his shooting style and philosophy. A compelling perspective that is contrary to some current thinking here. Check him out: (though realize that his name is NOT SchulTz, but S-C-H-U-L-Z; Schulz.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kIpsoi6oY
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: RC on June 21, 2013, 02:34:00 AM: Thank You Gene for the poem!! I read as I get ready for a long days work. Be some good thought today of a Man with a longbow and many friends he has not met .RC
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Ron Roehrick on June 21, 2013, 05:16:00 AM: Gene thank you for posting you always come up with interesting observations and stories,I think you have enough life experiences for another book maybe? I have two of Johns longbows and all his books and am a big fan and admire his accomplishments in life, raising a large family with Jane and keeping the Hill style of hunting and shooting going.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: toddster on June 21, 2013, 07:27:00 AM: I never met Mr. Schulz, but talked to him on the phone one time. I have used his video for longtime and his booklet HIttem. He put out "shooting straight" and I called to order it. It was october and bowhunting here in illinois was in. When the call connected, I was shocked and stunned to hear the voice of a living legend in traditional archery. I asked if this was him, he said you betch ya. I apoligized for calling for the book so late in the day but just got home from bowhunting and shot a nice whitetail. Wow, we spent over an hour on the phone, him asking me all about it, and extemely interested, just like and old friend would of done. He is a gentleman, and great man a true legend and in my humble opinion, one of the few who did and will always stand next to Mr. Hill. Gob bless.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on June 21, 2013, 08:13:00 AM: Great stuff here! I love to hear from those that really know.....

I will also add that Mr. Schulz was a "Master Builder" arguably with no equal. Someone once told me that he built "Magic" into his bows. I was skeptical until I picked up a Tembo made by him....no doubt about it! :notworthy:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: twitchstick on June 21, 2013, 09:01:00 AM: "Hit em them like Howard Hill" was the first traditional video I watched. It inspired me to start my traditional journey.
Great stuff Gene, thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Zbone on June 21, 2013, 09:52:00 AM: I assume this thread spurred by the other thread over on the other site currently running, and I totally understand Mr. Schultz being a great guy and preacher and all, and am glad to hear he is well, but I still find it very strange to be “retired” from archery.

If it’s a lifestyle and in your heart, how can one retire from that??? I don’t get that…

I met Mr. Schultz years ago at a traditional shoot and even bought some bamboo limb material from him (still have it around somewhere I believe), but for those wondering, a guy on the other site contacted Mr. Schultz a couple years ago requesting an interview and basically was told he had retired from archery and refused to talk about it and had nothing more to do with it.

I wasn't listening on the other phone and don’t know the presentation or mood of the call, but still find that strange not wanting to share or talk archery especially after some refer him as an ambassador of the sport but it seemed to be more of a job to him…

You’d think he’d be wanting and willing to share his knowledge and experience to those interested and for the next generation, especially at his older age. Thought that is part of our tradition and heritage to pass it on???? I don’t know, maybe I just getting too old and grouchy myself, but I know I’ll always talk archery until the day I die, regardless of health or other activities.

Probably due to health, and erosion of the heritage, I may not hunt until the day I die but will always be an archery enthusiast until that day, along with being a naturalist, and will always freely talk about so…

Don’t mean to rain on anyone's parade, and sorry to blab,,, just wanted to vent I guess….
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gene Wensel on June 21, 2013, 10:13:00 AM: Zbone,
Most of John's "retirement" and seclusion has to do with his health. He has a hard time both talking and writing now due to several physical problems. His hand writing is so shakey its hardly legible anymore and his voice quivers with most sentences. That is one of the reasons Jane learned to screened any and all of his incoming phone calls. Trust me, his heart is still in archery. There will probably come a time in all of our lives when our hearts say yes but our bodies don't. I did a magazine interview of John many years ago but I can't remember nor find the issue. Does anyone know which magazine and what is on the front cover? I probably still have it somewhere.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Kris on June 21, 2013, 10:21:00 AM: I met John at Marshall MI one very hot & humid July, where I learned to wear & use a back quiver and handle an arrow by the nock from him. I use these techniques to this day. He and his sons wore starched & ironed button shirts and pressed jeans with a belt/huge buckle & cowboy boots…a western thing. I was hot just looking at them. I could hardly wear shorts and a old thin T-shirt. His mannerism was that of USMC Drill Instructor (and the physique to match) ...and there was not so much as a bead of sweat coming from him!

He is man of spirit and absolute conviction to his beliefs.

Kris
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Zbone on June 21, 2013, 11:04:00 AM: Thanx Gene, makes sense….

My opinion came from hearsay, and as said wasn’t there to know exactly how the request was presented, and my apologies for assuming…

What I still remember of him when we met was – Wow, he still looks scrappy for his age. Was trying to think of the year and place but can only remember my kids were small so it had to have been over 20 years ago, and think it may have been at the Great Lakes Longbow shoot. Which one, I don't remember.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Goshawkin on June 21, 2013, 12:16:00 PM: Here you go Mr.Wensel,
Oct/Nov 1994
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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Goshawkin on June 21, 2013, 12:22:00 PM: Here's the article,
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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Pat B. on June 21, 2013, 02:06:00 PM: Nick, wonder if you could scan the article and post it here ??
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: MikeNova on June 21, 2013, 02:44:00 PM: I have that magazine still. Great artical it would be good if someone more computor savy than me could post it. I remember it speaks of nearly 250 fps with a hill style bow. Must have been pretty heavy.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Kelly on June 21, 2013, 03:19:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Kris:
I met John at Marshall MI one very hot & humid July, where I learned to wear & use a back quiver and handle an arrow by the nock from him. I use these techniques to this day. He and his sons wore starched & ironed button shirts and pressed jeans with a belt/huge buckle & cowboy boots…a western thing. I was hot just looking at them. I could hardly wear shorts and a old thin T-shirt. His mannerism was that of USMC Drill Instructor (and the physique to match) ...and there was not so much as a bead of sweat coming from him!

He is man of spirit and absolute conviction to his beliefs.

Kris
Oh yes Kris, remember that weekend/day in Marshall Michigan back in the 1980's as well. That for me was to be the only time seeing John and the boys in person. Prior to and since have talked with John from time to time and always found him cordial and a wealth of information plus a joy to talk to.

God Bless John and his family and am sorry for your loss!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Goshawkin on June 21, 2013, 03:22:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Pat B.:
Nick, wonder if you could scan the article and post it here ??
Hi Pat, Sorry,I don't have a scanner. I'll take some pics and see if it's readable on here.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stik&string on June 21, 2013, 04:10:00 PM: I just purchased that issue of the magazine through their site to read that article. Thanks for bringing this up, and working toward giving Mr. Schulz the recognition he deserves.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Friend on June 21, 2013, 05:16:00 PM: The obscurity of this legend remains obscure w/I living as the humble servant.

One merely needs to open his eyes and ears and the worthy praise of this icon will pour forth.

My perception remains that Mr. Schulz's desires have been completely satisfied. He neither requires nor expects self validation. A man he is!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: pcg on June 21, 2013, 05:46:00 PM: Kudos for posting the article--!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Goshawkin on June 21, 2013, 06:12:00 PM: LOL!!! ArrrGGHHH! I just took all the pics of the article to post. :knothead:
Boy,I wish I had that Natural now.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stiknstringer on June 21, 2013, 06:17:00 PM: I just reread that article so it was already handy :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Kris on June 21, 2013, 06:25:00 PM: John & Son's all wood American (string-follow) Longbows are superb works of art.

Their simple elegance and pure line, screams traditional archery!

Kris
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: pcg on June 21, 2013, 08:35:00 PM: Great thread. Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stickandstring on June 21, 2013, 08:38:00 PM: What a fantastic read! Thanks to all for the contributions.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gene Wensel on June 21, 2013, 10:13:00 PM: Thanks for posting that article. I spent over an hour digging through old magazines without finding it. I know I have it somewhere. By the way, that bow pictured in the purple ad for his Natural model in that interview is one of the bows John gave to me. I have it setting right here beside me as I write this. One other memory was jogged while reading that article. When John and I did that Pennsylvania Bowhunters Festival in Forksville, PA in September 1988, the grand stands were jammed with spectators. About half way through John's talk and shooting demo, a guy about half way up the high bleachers stood up, dropped his drawers and "mooned" us! Come to find out, the guy had just spent a lot of money on a brand new compound and had been celebrating with one too many beers!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: suttoman on June 21, 2013, 10:31:00 PM: What about his sons??? Have they continued with archery? Do they still make those bows? What are they doing now?

Thanks for this article boys. We have no great archery heroes here in Australia - our history is too short. Great to read about your guys from the States.

Sutto
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Goshawkin on June 21, 2013, 11:13:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Gene Wensel:
a guy about half way up the high bleachers stood up, dropped his drawers and "mooned" us! Come to find out, the guy had just spent a lot of money on a brand new compound and had been celebrating with one too many beers!
and after all these years I finaly get to appologize for that! :saywhat:

:biglaugh:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stiknstringer on June 21, 2013, 11:13:00 PM: I was recently trying to find out if and where I might lay my hands on John Shulz book "Straight Shooting" and couldn't find it anywhere.I made a call to what I thought was the leather shooting glove company owned by his son James hoping to get a lead on where I could purchase the book but the guy who answered informed me that he was the new owner. Anyway, when I asked about what James was doing now,he said the he was more or less "burned out on trad archery for a while".I guess when you do anything too much for too long you have to step away from it or it loses it's appeal :dunno:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Ben Maher on June 21, 2013, 11:14:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by suttoman:
We have no great archery heroes here in Australia -
Sutto ...
Ian Fenton , Bill Baker, Dallas Conway .....
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Pat B. on June 22, 2013, 10:14:00 AM: Thank you for posting the article!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: ChuckC on June 22, 2013, 10:38:00 AM: Lets get John Shulz a spot on the site where he belongs !

I would love to learn more about him and his exploits.

Sutto
I think unless your area is just brand new into any endeavor, there is always going to be someone who stands out. . They came before us and paved the way. . . we just have to learn who they are and pay attention.
ChuckC
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: K.S.TRAPPER on June 22, 2013, 09:42:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Charlie Lamb:
[QB] Very interesting Gene. Thanks for those words about John. He's certainly one of my Hero's.

X2, I'm a big fan of John's to and read everything about him I can get my hands on. I've just about wore my TBM copy out of Gene's interview. John also sparked my interest in the all natural bows and Charlie and I have talked about them a lot. We both build them and they are a pleasure to shoot.

Tracy
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on June 24, 2013, 09:40:00 AM: Thanks for posting that!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Ray Lyon on June 24, 2013, 11:05:00 AM: I've attached a link to an old Bow and Arrow magazine article by Sam Fadala, there was an article about Howard Hill Archery and John Schulz along with some great pictures. I got my first Howard Hill longbow in November of 1977 and it was inspired by that article. Before that I had shot recurves from the late sixties till that first longbow. I met John and his son's at those early GLLI's (and my EX-wife wanted to hang out at that booth all day talking to John's sons!).

Link to Sam Fadala\\'s article in Feb 1977 (http://archerytalkblog.com/?p=3052)
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Mudd on June 24, 2013, 11:42:00 AM: How can anyone know what Mr Schulz has done for archery and the world in general and not hold him in the highest esteem.

:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

God bless,Mudd :campfire:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: straitera on June 24, 2013, 07:00:00 PM: Awesome vids I've never seen! John is completely confident with a shooting style that matter-of-factly works! No question one of the true gentlemen of the sport of bow hunting. Thanks
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Green on June 24, 2013, 07:17:00 PM: Thanks for posting that article Ray....hadn't read that one before. I lost Gene's article in a divorce many years ago....it was nice to re-read it.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Traxx on June 25, 2013, 12:46:00 AM: NOW THAT WAS AN INTERVIEW!!!!!!
Seems John and i have the same attitude towards things.He used to hunt on my uncles place,when he was in Canby.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Terry Green on June 25, 2013, 10:51:00 AM: That forum is of men who have passes on. No one voted anyone out.

We've been here over ten years and lots of new people don't know how...why....or when things got where they are. Please do not be so quick to assume or judge.....thank you.

Good stuff about John. thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Roger Norris on June 25, 2013, 09:48:00 PM: I watched some of the JS videos today,I enjoyed them a great deal. He certainly is worthy of the term "great archer". Apparently he was a pretty capable teacher also!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: RC on June 25, 2013, 09:50:00 PM: A good writer as well. "Straight Shooting" is a great read.RC
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: wooddamon1 on June 26, 2013, 06:49:00 AM: Good stuff, guys. Thanks for sharing!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: arrow flynn on June 28, 2013, 07:09:00 PM: I have the book a great read and it has an honored place in my library .I was hoping for a book something along the lines of Craig ekins biography but morecoverage on howard from the time he and his brother met him. I mean the schulz brothers. In the early 90s I was at alongbow safari shoot in oregon and. Jim stotlerand his youngerqbrother we're there. He was helping jerrydishion sell stotler bows. He also knew howard hill very well and had some great stories to relate. Anyway does anyone else think the define itive biography on howard hill still needs to be written?
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: dragonheart on June 29, 2013, 12:13:00 AM: Here is a link to James Schulz website.

http://huntingunderheaven.com/
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: dragonheart on June 29, 2013, 12:28:00 AM: The Longbowman

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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: ca on June 29, 2013, 05:30:00 AM: Sill have the video tape bought 20 years or so ago.
How old is Mr. Schulz right now?
Thanks
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Green on June 29, 2013, 06:44:00 AM: Thanks for the link Jeff. Interesting and admirable life and website. James sure looks like his Dad....guess buff genetics just kinda' runs in the family. I didn't notice a single bit of archery anywhere in his journey, though.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: pcg on June 29, 2013, 11:40:00 AM: Agreed. Thanks for the link--
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: tg2nd on July 17, 2013, 02:38:00 PM: UP!!!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: toddster on July 19, 2013, 05:54:00 AM: I agree though before we loose these gentlemen, someone might think about interviewing and recording history. there are stories and info that will be lost to the age's. If you could sit down with Mr. Schulz for an hour, what would be the three things you would want to know and/or ask him?
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: mikebiz on July 19, 2013, 08:37:00 AM: I would ask him one question for sure. I believe I read here somewhere that he feels that the Hill-style bow and it's tradition has been lost over the years. Something to that effect, so don't quote me. I would ask him why he feels that way. What proof does he have? Then I would show him the Hill bug thread and the threads such as this one in which we show nothing but the utmost respect for his skill, craftsmanship, knowledge, teachings and history and how we appreciate what he has so graciously passed along to us.

I think it's really sad that a man like Mr. Schulz feels that way. My wish would be to show him that his work is not lost to history and that it is alive and well in the work of bowyers who have learned from him; in the technique of those who have read his books and watched his videos; and in the joy we all get from drawing and shooting a longbow in pursuit of game or target.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on July 19, 2013, 03:26:00 PM: Interesting thoughts Mike, but I could see why he might have that perspective. Despite the recent surge in "traditional" archery, we are a minority amount "bowhunters". Amoung that minority there are a fraction of us that choose to hunt with the straight end semi-longbow. Still less within that subset of us are those that shoot and hunt with the Hill Style as he was taught (split finger, fluid and smooth, hunting from the ground and "getting after 'em", not using commercial camo, and exuding class at all costs). I think Hill taught him his style in an unwavering fashion. I think John has an unwavering personality. Together they were both phenominal atheletes and extrememly gifted.

That is a tall order for our generation to follow....or understand. I just hope despite our shortcomings he recognizes even if it is amoung a small group on this thread....that his life's work in bowhunting and bowmaking is appreciated and revered.

I too was surprised when I started researching John, how little there was on the net of him....and most of it led me back here.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: WESTBROOK on July 21, 2013, 03:34:00 PM: In the article he mentions he was working on 2 books at the time. Were they ever completed?

Eric
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stiknstringer on July 21, 2013, 05:09:00 PM: I would pay good money for a copy of Straight Shooting but can't find it anywhere!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: pcg on July 21, 2013, 05:23:00 PM: The 2 published books have been "Straight Shooting" and "Hitting 'Em Like Howard Hill," the first issued in hardback and the second as a paper pamphlet.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gene Wensel on August 13, 2013, 11:17:00 PM: I just came back from my annual trip to the Bitterroot to see my kids and grandkids. John is living back in Hamilton again, ever the gentleman. I spent several hours with him (twice) during my recent visit. I wish I would have recorded the stories. We had some great laughs. I'm happy to say he is looking and feeling very well. He works out at the gym three times a week now. His voice is good once again after solving one health issue and I think I talked him into considering doing some limited guest speaker gigs again! I took some photos. I'll see if I can email them to anyone who knows how to post them on this thread. Stay tuned. Thanks.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: stik&string on August 14, 2013, 12:55:00 AM: Awesome news!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Lucas K on August 14, 2013, 01:25:00 AM: Thanks Gene!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gil Verwey on August 14, 2013, 07:54:00 AM: Gene you can send them to [email protected]. I will post them in this thread.

I have had many of John's bows over the years. If you ever see a Hill Tembo come up for sale named Sagittarius you should consider giving it a whirl. It was one of the nicest I had made by John. I kick myself for selling that bow and another that was Bob Wesleys which was reworked by John Schulz to Howards specs.

Thanks
Gil
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on August 14, 2013, 08:52:00 AM: That is great news! I would love to see/hear John talk / tell stories again! Thanks so much Gene.

Sorry Gil.....That Sagittarius will never be up for sale again as long as I can pull it!

I have 2 of John's bows now and they are both exceptional.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Gil Verwey on August 14, 2013, 09:53:00 AM: Greg I bought that bow back twice. I never learn.

Here are the pictures from Gene.

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Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on August 14, 2013, 10:15:00 AM: Awesome! I love he still has very sharp creases in his Jeans and Shirt. :thumbsup: Very classy. :notworthy:
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: MikeNova on August 14, 2013, 10:26:00 AM: Thanks Gene!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: mikebiz on August 14, 2013, 10:56:00 AM: Thanks for the update and photos, Gene. It's great to see that Mr. Schulz is doing well. Glad to know that his health has improved. I guess that clean Montana air will do that for you. I hope you passed along how he's still revered in our little circle around here. I would love to see him speak sometime.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: on August 14, 2013, 02:45:00 PM: After reading through this thread and seeing the pictures, I just had to go out and shoot a few with my John Schulz bows. They are still the best that I have ever bought and I can still shoot them. I do regret not getting one that was around 50 pounds. They will always be the standard to measure all of my bows. Nice work John.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: tg2nd on September 03, 2013, 12:33:00 PM: Does anybody know John's birthday?
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: TSP on September 03, 2013, 09:05:00 PM: This thread is just a really great read, especially since I'm a big fan of Hill bows and old school ways. I have both of John's books but I've learned things about him that might never have been learned anywhere else...thanks to Gene and others here who have actually passed quality time with him.

I find his poem to be very interesting, especially the following verses:

"To go again when children- not yet grown
Were in their joy and play
Then all of life was only "home"
But now- they're gone away-

To go again? It cannot be
Except it is in memory
So then- I'll only look ahead
Not live the past- long dead-"

As enjoyable as it was for John to have lived through so many good times, it may be equally as painful for him to relive them now. What a grand old world that must have been for him! Can any of us say that we would not give everything we own to go back in time and spend even just a few precious moments with our beautiful wife and children and healthy friends, back when we were the happiest? But, can anyone deny that as wonderful as such times were, recalling them might also be too painful to endure in the quiet life of old age and a house empty of those loved ones?

John is getting old and dusk is approaching. Perhaps he'd rather not be reminded of cherished things that once were but are no more. Maybe it just hurts too much for him to dwell on it, and so he chooses to allow the past to stay the past. Who are we to demand anything else? Maybe letting him relax and respecting how HE wants to finish his days, is really the best way to honor him. Great men deserve no less.

Sometimes silence is golden. God bless John Schulz...for the man he was, the man he is and for what he means to us all.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: 4dogs on September 03, 2013, 10:33:00 PM: Wise words TSP
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: RC on September 03, 2013, 11:36:00 PM: Mr. Gene, Thank you for the pics and update on Mr. John . I reread the poem a while ago and it gets better every time. Good to see old friends chatting.RC
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on September 04, 2013, 12:35:00 PM: Terrific thread...Thank you Gene and the others that have posted!
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: tomwatson on September 18, 2013, 01:27:00 PM: Gene, with those years hunting with John, I wonder why you were not a convert to the longbow. Any particular reason?
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: far rider on November 03, 2013, 04:52:00 PM: up
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Steve B. on November 21, 2013, 05:04:00 AM: I was doing a little research on John Schulz and found this thread, because:

The other day at work one of the new guys comes up to me and says he heard that I "make bows". I said, "yea, selfbows," and we chatted a bit.
Turns out this new guy is John Schulz's grandson.

I'd only heard of John Schulz but didn't really know who he was, until now.

So today the guy (I don't really want to drop names without permission. This guy is the son of John's son, John jr.) comes up to me and says he has a bow for me to look at. So I did. In fact its in my car right now because I'm going to take it home after work and take some pics of it.
Not sure if anyone would be interested in the pics, but the bow is gorgeous. It is boo sandwiched in black fiberglass with what looks like maple handle. A 60 pounder.

Anyway, small world.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Green on November 21, 2013, 06:04:00 AM: Heck yeah we're interested in pictures! Pretty cool new friendship you're developing there.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: BigTimber on November 21, 2013, 06:22:00 AM: While living in Sheridan, WY, I contacted Mr. Schulz, who at the time was living in Cody, Wy. about building a bow for me. Ended up John Jr. made up a couple of bows for me.

It was a pleasure meeting the Schulz family. What fine people they are.

I have #99 of 100 of Mr. Schulz signed books and also have his VHS tape which I am actually dropping off today to have converted to DVD.

These items are my most cherish Archery items. I'm fortunate my Father introduced me to Archery and the Great Outdoors many, many years ago.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: BigTimber on November 21, 2013, 07:15:00 AM: Well Shoot, Actually it was Tom who build my Bow and I have copy 96 of 100 of John's book. Old age can be a terrible thing.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: tg2nd on December 01, 2013, 07:23:00 AM: up
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Craig Schoneberg on December 01, 2013, 11:30:00 AM: pcg - thanks for starting this post. 'Straight Shooting' sits on my nightstand. I read from it often.

I had not shot one of Mr. Schulz's bows until recently. Ben Maher generously donated a John Schulz longbow to Compton Traditional Bowhunters - the bow will be auctioned at the Compton Traditional Bowhunters Big Game Classic in Louisville, KY. Wow! Talk about a beautiful bow - and it shoots as well or better (if that's possible) than it looks! I had to 'test' it to make sure it was okay for the auction - right???

Anyway, have enjoyed this post about a legend and true gentleman.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: BRIARS on December 01, 2013, 06:44:00 PM: The update pictures and information are great. Man he does look good.

What struck me from the old pictures were how good of shape he was in. Huge arms and not an ounce of fat on him.

Thanks to all that contributed to this thread.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: AlanF on August 10, 2016, 05:02:00 AM: A good read.

Glad John taught a few others how to make these great bows.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on August 10, 2016, 11:07:00 AM: (http://i481.photobucket.com/albums/rr180/two4hooking/Trad%20Know%20How/18198249760_d297fb492b_o_zpsddto2reu.jpg) (http://s481.photobucket.com/user/two4hooking/media/Trad%20Know%20How/18198249760_d297fb492b_o_zpsddto2reu.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: MnFn on August 10, 2016, 01:53:00 PM: Really enjoyed that article Gene. Thanks for commenting here.
Gary
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Warden609 on August 10, 2016, 02:58:00 PM: Great thread.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: David Mitchell on August 10, 2016, 04:44:00 PM: Alan, I'm so glad you brought this thread up.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: RJonesRCRV on August 10, 2016, 05:11:00 PM: Tom Parsons at KimSha Archery I think has the bow that Schulz used in the video "Hitting them like Howard Hill"
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: DDawg on August 11, 2016, 05:12:00 PM: Quote
Originally posted by Ben Maher:
Joe, if you get a chance read "Straight Shooting" by John Schulz ... its a great read .
Any idea where to find this? I've only looked on line, the only thing I found was a copy on **** for $125.00
I'll check to see of Barnes & Noble can order it.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Kelly on August 11, 2016, 05:30:00 PM: It has been out of print/sold out for many years. Frankly $125.00 is about the going rate on the resale market. Most won't even sell their copy because it can not be replaced.
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Post by: crazynate on August 11, 2016, 05:33:00 PM: WOW thanks Mr. Wensel. John Schulz and yourself are considered legends in my eyes.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: KSdan on August 12, 2016, 09:56:00 PM: I learned to originally shoot by studying "Hitting Em like Howard Hill" by Schulz (it is on YOUtube if interested). I also have his book "Straight Shooting" personally signed to me- it is very special.

Intriguing however- I see a lot of current information out there (like on TG) with seminars and teaching that show shooting styles that Schulz would very clearly disagree with.

Schulz says, "I believe the most important words that Howard said to my brother Dan and me, 'Boys, make up your mind, do you want to hunt or shoots targets. The two just don't go together.'"

And again Schulz says, "Static style won't get it . . . it amuses me how guys extend the arm and draw the bow back. That's tournament style. And I personally don't believe tournament style fits in the woods. . . You may make some hits under ideal conditions. . . those ideal conditions are few and far between. . . . most traditional bowhunters have lower scores on paper, but have a higher bowhunting success."

And lastly- lest we settle that trad bows were made for just 20 yd shots. Schulz says, "Howard use to say, 'If your form is right- you won't be off too far at 50 yds!'"

Interesting voice and wisdom from a previous generation. May be worth considering. . .

Dan in KS
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: on August 12, 2016, 11:28:00 PM: "Swing, draw, anchor, deep, release." "When you reach anchor, you should be on target and ready for an immediate release." Every so often I catch myself trying to other or more than that and my shooting shows it. I tried one named Joe Frisk's idea shooting a big ole pie plate thirty times from short range, I started turning into a target shooter. I lost my casual accuracy, spent a couple of days just shooting like I didn't care going smoothly into the follow through. With the simple John Schulz instructions in my head I shot much better and at more distance and at a smaller target, all back to that simple one thousand one 'swing draw anchor deep, at anchor on target and ready for that immediate release. I am ready for dove season, left hand and right hand. My advice no matter who wants to disagree is to take John Schulz's advice, don't add anything and don't take away anything, it works.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Green on August 13, 2016, 07:12:00 AM: One thing that gets very little mention from John's video is his discussion of the secondary anchor. As we all know, proper alignment is a huge key to accuracy, and getting the web of the hand settled snuggly along the upturn in the jaw bone is a huge key to a properly aligned string arm. With this anchoring achieved, it is tremendously easy to let the string slip away, while "both hands do nothing".
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: Mud_Slide_Slim on August 14, 2016, 05:35:00 PM: This is such a great (and timely) thread. This summer, the wheels really came off as far as my shooting went. It got so bad I was completely missing my bag targets at 13 yards. After watching video of my shooting...it was rigid, forced, tight, my bow arm was all over the place upon release and the capper came when one day I came in the house after shooting and my wife commented that "it doesn't look like you're having fun out there." She was right!

I was really struggling. I went back and watched the John Schultz series about form. Then I watched it again...and again. I made myself stick to his principles and techniques. I went from a 30" target form draw length to a tad over 28" now. I am now experiencing the "casual accuracy" that pavan mentioned in his above post. The best part is, besides hitting my target consistently, is I am actually having fun again.

I still have a ways to go, but I am committed to the ASL and the philosophy that goes along with it. It really does work.

Bill-
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: two4hooking on August 15, 2016, 08:45:00 AM: Amen Mud_slide. Sounds like you "get it" too.

Found out the same thing here....

The Hill form is simple but exacting. Tension is the surest path toward TP and frustration.
Title: Re: Let's talk John Schulz
Post by: on August 16, 2016, 12:41:00 AM: I did not have casual accuracy at first tonight, my release was crooked. It took a lot of that boring repetitive target slamming and watching the follow through until it got natural. I bet it took 150 plus arrows for it to come around until I could forget about it.