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Title: A priceless find!
Post by: Gene Wensel on June 14, 2013, 01:16:00 PM
I was in Missouri the other day and happened to stop at a rock shop that was selling some Indian artifacts. I was going through their "rock pile" when I found a prehistoric petrified canine skull that had turned to solid stone after who knows how many centuries. It is either a small bear, young wolf or maybe a coyote but it has fossilized and is very heavy for it's size. It could even be some sort of species that went extinct. Very neat. I will give it a good new home! I'll have my buddy Steve O. send some photos later today. Stay tuned.
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Post by: KOOK68 on June 14, 2013, 01:21:00 PM
subscribed!
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Post by: VictoryHunter on June 14, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
Very cool! Stay tuned...   :campfire:
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on June 14, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
Thats got to be cool.  :campfire:
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Post by: Greyfox54 on June 14, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
Looking forward to seeing this !
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Post by: b.glass on June 14, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
That sounds sooo cool! That is my kind of find! Can't wait to see it! You have some very cool artifacts Gene!
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Post by: Biggie Hoffman on June 14, 2013, 03:06:00 PM
Priceless?
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Post by: ChuckC on June 14, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Give ya  $5 for it !


ChuckC  ;)    ;)
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Post by: Matty on June 14, 2013, 06:06:00 PM
Lets see those pics! Julie is a skull hoarder. Maybe next time she sees you shell bat her eyelashes at you and you'll just cough it up!
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Post by: Steve O on June 14, 2013, 08:35:00 PM
(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/osminski/Wensel%20Photos/Skull%20Art/bed2b6dc43338381a6bb9c5bd1382404_zps6d6b61bf.jpg)


(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/osminski/Wensel%20Photos/Skull%20Art/3191798db722655272120402382f0904_zpsc143961f.jpg)


(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/osminski/Wensel%20Photos/Skull%20Art/67bca8c3a0e53adb4cc81fa67f61efc2_zps53833229.jpg)


(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/osminski/Wensel%20Photos/Skull%20Art/3bb69624f851d168b69bdb8d42e02702_zps3865cae9.jpg)


(http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b351/osminski/Wensel%20Photos/Skull%20Art/344a4a9bd01180be322ca04db017a987_zps26a4f81c.jpg)


By the way, I think your new TallTines is priceless...
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Post by: rraming on June 14, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Neat find! Looks like a small alligator
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Post by: on June 14, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
im thinking dinosaur of some sort, since the eye orbit is connected all the way around with an open cavity in front of the eye and the eyes seem to be on the sides of the head......im stumped , but very cool!!
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Post by: wscruggs on June 14, 2013, 09:26:00 PM
Nice find
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Post by: skychief on June 14, 2013, 10:13:00 PM
Great find Gene!!!

I would have that to a paleontologist for identification.   Any Universities close by?

Skychief.
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Post by: ron w on June 14, 2013, 10:14:00 PM
Well that's different.......I think you need to get that to an Anthropologist or someone who can tell what the heck it is and how old......even I know it's old....LOL!
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Post by: Herdbull on June 14, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Gene, You should not just give it a new home, but spend some effort to find out what it really is, or who he was.
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Post by: Cyclic-Rivers on June 14, 2013, 10:31:00 PM
Careful, there's a lot of frauds out there   :p    :smileystooges:    

Cool find
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Post by: Mudd on June 14, 2013, 10:36:00 PM
Gene that is so cool.

It's even cooler than my "Dragon's Heart".

I'd love to hear more about it if you get someone who knows about such things.

God bless,Mudd
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Post by: Kamm1004 on June 14, 2013, 11:33:00 PM
I'm no expert, but I did take a few classes on dinosaurs in college. Looks like a dinosaur to me as well. maybe velosoraptor?
A trip to your local museum of natural science would be worthwhile. The people there can tell you what it is. Our professors dug up ancient buffalo bones, the  prehistoric giant buffalo and we took them there to be identified.
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Post by: DamselflyFarm on June 14, 2013, 11:44:00 PM
That's an awesome find.
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Post by: Greyfox54 on June 15, 2013, 11:34:00 AM
The second picture shows the shape of a canine skull but the third and fourth pictures show the lower teeth (molars)  being pointed which would suggest dinosaur , I don't know but would like to find out . Cool find indeed !
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Post by: twitchstick on June 15, 2013, 12:29:00 PM
Great find! I found a few fossils around here over the years, always such a treat to see.
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Post by: T Mowery on June 15, 2013, 02:16:00 PM
 (http://images.imagelinky.com/1371320056.jpg) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1371320056.jpg)

Here is a velosoraptor,it may be similiar?
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Post by: Sixby on June 15, 2013, 02:53:00 PM
Not any dog animal I know of with all those canines , Looks like a gator to me.

God bless, Steve
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Post by: Soonerlongbow on June 15, 2013, 03:32:00 PM
I agree with with Ron, have a paleontologist look at it. Very impressive. If you hadn't said small would say bear or maybe some kind of wolf.
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Post by: Gene Wensel on June 15, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
There are no lower teeth intact nor visible. Those are the roots of the upper teeth that look pointed. I think it's some sort of canine. I will not send it off anywhere. I had an old friend in Montana who found a fossilized human skull years ago. He sent it off somewhere to be aged and never saw it again. They denied ever getting it. I will try to get this checked out by an archeologist but will not send it off anywhere.
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Post by: Rifle River Scout on June 15, 2013, 04:20:00 PM
Gene, if I'm not mistaken, thats chomper, my first pet!
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on June 15, 2013, 04:29:00 PM
I will comment a quote from a famous space frontiersman with pointed ears, "fascinating".

Cool find, Gene.
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Post by: Ricker on June 15, 2013, 05:06:00 PM
Definitely a pithyerpantsifyasawitlive-a-suarus.
what do you think?
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Post by: habujohn on June 15, 2013, 05:17:00 PM
that is really cool. Kind of looks like a bear but the skull is elongated.
John
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Post by: Soonerlongbow on June 15, 2013, 05:39:00 PM
Partially because any human remains in the US that are Pre-Columbian are considered to be Native tribesman regardless. If they ever acknowledge their existence they would have had to turn them over to Indian authorities for burial without being able to exam them ever.
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Post by: mmgrode on June 15, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
That's neat! I'm interested to find out what it is, Gene.
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Post by: fmscan on June 15, 2013, 06:43:00 PM
Hey Ricker, I pithmypants just reading your post!
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Post by: Ricker on June 15, 2013, 08:14:00 PM
:bigsmyl:    :biglaugh:
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Post by: FerretWYO on June 15, 2013, 09:25:00 PM
That's awesome.
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Post by: tracker1 on June 16, 2013, 05:55:00 AM
:campfire:    :campfire:    :campfire:
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Post by: mjh on June 16, 2013, 07:17:00 AM
Definitely mammalian, the skull seems to be a little too flat on the top to be canine, who know how the skull has been compressed deformed with time, but interesting none the less, google some online sources several universities have very good skull materials online, one is in texas one in southern California, can't recall which ones, good luck finding out what it might be.
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Post by: PowDuck on June 16, 2013, 09:01:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Gene Wensel:
There are no lower teeth intact nor visible. Those are the roots of the upper teeth that look pointed. I think it's some sort of canine. I will not send it off anywhere. I had an old friend in Montana who found a fossilized human skull years ago. He sent it off somewhere to be aged and never saw it again. They denied ever getting it. I will try to get this checked out by an archeologist but will not send it off anywhere.
Absolutely. Take it, let them examine it, but don't let it out of your possession. Or better yet, have someone come to you. Many years ago I received the same advice from an expert that I met for coffee to examine a mastodon tooth I found while duck hunting. Don't tell them where you found it either. Be vague.
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Post by: bowhuntingrn on June 16, 2013, 08:31:00 PM
This is extremely cool. Sure would be interested to find out for sure what it is.
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Post by: Cootling on June 16, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
The teeth are distinctively those of a mammalian carnivore.  Probably a canid, not a bear.  The second photo (top view) looks very much like a wolf skull.
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Post by: Bonebuster on June 16, 2013, 09:55:00 PM
A cool find for sure!...and now it is in good hands!
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Post by: duncan idaho on June 17, 2013, 02:17:00 AM
You can Email pictures to the  Paleontology department of the Smithsonian Institute and they will give you a estimated guess. I have used them in the past and they have been very helpful.
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Post by: Kituwa on June 17, 2013, 04:07:00 AM
Yaba daba doo! that is Deno the Dino!
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Post by: ishoot4thrills on June 17, 2013, 06:13:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Ricker:
Definitely a pithyerpantsifyasawitlive-a-suarus.
what do you think?
:saywhat:
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Post by: snufer on June 17, 2013, 07:42:00 AM
Now we know where Jimmy Hoffa is!
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Post by: Tim Finley on June 17, 2013, 10:13:00 AM
Gene good Idea not to send it in .A stone was found by my house that had the date scratched on it of 1739, could only have been La Verendrie this would have been 44 years before Louis and Clark . It was sent in to the university and never seen again!....Tim
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Post by: Zbone on June 17, 2013, 10:23:00 AM
WOW, way cool find.
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Post by: Lynch Mob on June 17, 2013, 06:49:00 PM
Gene
Is it possible it could be a turtle...maybe a sea turtle?
Thats what it looks like to me...our family has trapped turtles for quite some time. Just saying without seeing it in person.

George
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Post by: Gene Wensel on June 17, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
I sent detailed photos, measurements, weight data, etc. off to the paleo department at the University of Kansas yesterday. Got an email this afternoon from them identifying it as a oreodont and dated somewhere around 35,000,000 years old! (Give or take a million years!)
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Post by: robtattoo on June 17, 2013, 07:31:00 PM
http://www.geoclassics.com/oreodont.htm
Very cool Unca Gene!
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Post by: on June 17, 2013, 08:09:00 PM
 (http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae69/arrow30_photos/imagesCA13FMPD.jpg~original) (http://s958.photobucket.com/user/arrow30_photos/media/imagesCA13FMPD.jpg.html)
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Post by: ChuckC on June 17, 2013, 08:30:00 PM
OK. .  $10, but thats as high as I go. . . .

ChuckC
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Post by: red hill on June 17, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Cool post! My science classes would love this!
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Post by: Lynch Mob on June 17, 2013, 08:49:00 PM
yea that was going to be my second guess!!!
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Post by: Sixby on June 17, 2013, 10:58:00 PM
That's a Chupacabria. I saw a video the other day that had one of those in it crossing a field. The stripes really stood out on it Some must have survived.

God bless, Steve