Thinking about going with a trocar-tip Muzzy 3-blade with my reflex/deflex longbow of 45# for whitetail hunting this year.
Anybody have any success or failure experiences with similar setups?
What weight arrow were you using?
Thanks for sharing!
I used Muzzy Trocar tips with a ton of success when I hunter with a compound bow. Due to the speed difference in trad gear, I wouldn't recommend it. Cut on impact style of broadheads, honed to a very sharp edge will completely out perform the Muzzy broadheads with trad gear.
I hunt with bows ranging from #45 & #49 @ 28. In the past, I've used G5's with success, though I've only killed one nice buck and a turkey since going trad. There are a lot of much more experienced trad hunters here than me.
My arrows are 2016 & 2018 Easton Legacy arrows. My 2018 have 100 grain brass inserts, standard inserts for the 2016. Bheads for the 2016's are 125 grain. Bheads for the 2018's are 150-175 grains.
I am by no means an expert, but this is what has worked for me.
Have you tried to shoot them? I tried for kicks when I made the switch and had some cork screw flight. Had good success with them and wheels though...
They will work fine. I've shot three blade muzzys through quite a few critters.
They were designed for trad bows, by a trad hunter from what I understand. (John Musshachia, Sr.?)
As mentioned above, I've also had success out of a wheel bow.
I've shot them out of my trad bows as well, but never at an animal. I think they'd work great on a deer.
X2 TxAg a fellow tradgang member actually told me the same and recommended them. The guy that started muzzy was a trad shooter and designed the for that purpose. I shoot 44 lbs and am trying to decide between muzzys and magnus stinger 4 blades. They make good blood trails!
Haven't shot muzzy, I would look at a cut on contact head, woodsman worked real well for me with a 47 lb bow. Good luck with whatever you use.
QuoteOriginally posted by VictoryHunter:
X2 TxAg a fellow tradgang member actually told me the same and recommended them. The guy that started muzzy was a trad shooter and designed the for that purpose. I shoot 44 lbs and am trying to decide between muzzys and magnus stinger 4 blades. They make good blood trails!
I used to shoot the 4 blade magnus stingers because i was shooting a 43-45# longbow and needed a 125 gr head. Worked like a champ and left great blood. I bet the muzzy would perform well also.
If you are going to use them you need to sharpen that tro car tip on a stone. Once that tip is honed sharp they will work fine. I myself prefer to use the Muzzy Phantom.
I second the muzzy phantom. Great four blade. Great blood trails. Great penetration!
ha ha they are a cut on contact head, they where designed by a trad bowhunter for trad bowhunting,,,, the alternative to chisel point heads.. you can actually sharpen the trocar tip too which I personally did to pop hair.. 45# bow will be fine All day long with muzzys.
muzzy phantoms are my choice out of my 46#er.
Muzzy Phantoms are COC, but not the trocar tip. Nothing but COC for me!
The sharpened Trocar tip is a cut on contact design. And it works very well.
Easy to sharpen them on a flat DMT.
They will work fine, I know a bunch of guys that have shot right thru deer with 45# and a Muzzy head. The 3 blade gave those guys great blood trails and a short recovery!
Aren't the muzzy trocars brand new?
http://www.muzzy.com/news/muzzy-trocar
The ad states Muzzy was founded in 1984. I am fairly certain the very first design was a trocar front, either a three or four blade configuration. By then compounds were the rage, so whether they were "designed" for trad or not might be up to debate.
Not saying whether they are good or bad (my bud loved them) since I didn't use them. He got great blood trails using them.
If I recall correctly, prior to the Muzzy came the Wasp, Satellite and Savora heads. These were all replaceable blade, pre-sharpened blade heads. The object was to provide a sharp head for those that were not good at (or just didn't want to)sharpening their broadheads. None of these started with trocar style tips. They worked OK.
Over time and use, all of these improved.
Forty five pounds is not a great deal of bow, although it can and should handle deer just fine.
ChuckC
probably will be fine.
..but..
Unless you already have them and just don't want to spend more $$$..which is VERY understandable.
..why not go with something with a true coc head that you'll have NO doubt with?
Yes, I know muzzy has made many variations of a trocar tip, but I believe the OP was referring to the brand new heads called "Trocar".
I think they will work just fine. For me, I prefer a true COC.
Killed a bunch of deer with a 3 blade 125, a 450 grain arrow, and a compound that only shot 210. Should be fine with a trad bow and a heavy arrow.
this isn't to get into it with everyone but only the people who have actually KILLED deer or even pysically used them should offer opinions,, too many new people have been led a stray on the broadheads we used 20-30yrs ago and the truth of the matter is most of them do hold their place in the success category and even though we do have a awesome selection of heads now I'm not going to start throwing the old timers under the bus because the new latest and greatest things came along.
TRO CAR was, is, and always will be, a cut on contact head! it will work fine with a 45# and even a 40# bow same as a thunderhead has killed so many deer with trad and 180fps old round wheel 45# compounds. just make sure you can hit decent,,, so if you hit the ball of shoulder and the deer runs off with the arrow hanging out of the shoulder it wasn't the trocar or chisel point or silverflame's fault it was the shooter, ha ha ha..
and me personally I don't shoot them anymore and prefer more traditional heads but before the internet came along I've killed enough deer with a 45# bow using autumn orange 2114's with muzzy, thunderhead that they do work fine.. back then there wasn't much of a selection at the big store though so now I do agree with folks above that there is other choices for sharp heads right from the pack even COC like stingers which are simply awesome heads that I wish came in 200gr, even the Muzzy SS's but they need to be stropped a bit for better sharpness, even those funky COC grim reapers might work.. but with everything that was said I'd personally pick the stingers.
Here is one vote for a sharp cut-on-contact head, 2 or 3 blade. I shoot 45#ish bows myself and I want every advantage I can get for penetration and a strong blood trail on less than perfect shots. It uses up a lot of kinetic energy punching that chisel tip through a hide. As I understand it, after 30 years at this, is that a cut-on-contact head is all blade, no chisel tip.
Never killed anything with a 45# bow but have put a muzzy through a few deer with more weight. You'll have a COMPLETE passthrough if your shot location is good. Deer are not armor plated beast. If you're not getting 2 holes with deer something else is wrong.
Never killed anything with a 45# bow but have put a muzzy through a few deer with more weight. You'll have a COMPLETE passthrough if your shot location is good. Deer are not armor plated beast. If you're not getting 2 holes with deer something else is wrong.