I have been using testors/ model master enamels over my poly-crylic shafts for 3 years now. I am looking at trying gasket lacquer on my next shafts. is there any problem using the model master/ testors enamel over top of the gasket lacquer for cresting?
thanks!
L.R. :thumbsup:
Good question. But may I ask why crest over the Gasket Laq.? Why not under the Laq? Either way I am interested also.
Is that finish you use water based? That may be an issue also.
I believe the gasket lacquer will eat off the enamel creating I use.
I am open to other things, but my restores enamel paint comes out really nice.
L.R.
My experience with Testors paint and white GL is that there is no problem at all. Never have had any type of compatibility issue and have done quite a few like this.
Good luck and keep us posted.
Testor's enamel or acrylic both work well over several coats GL. Show us how your arra's turn out.
That's the way I crest my arrows. Testors over colored GL and then clear GL over the Testors cresting.
Enamel/polyurethane goes over lacquer but lacquer does not go over enamel or oil based polyurethane.
I have used Testor's enamel for cresting for 40+ years and always over my finish.
One can not get the very fine pin stripes in silver or gold and then dip something over it that doesn't run those stripes.
Gordon, what's this are you using to get the GL to go over the cresting without ruining it?
L.R.
Lone Ranger, I just put the GL over the cresting. For the silver and gold stripes, I have to let the cresting dry longer. I make quite a few arrows and also have good luck with Model Master paint for cresting and it seems to dry a little faster. If you have trouble with the Testors, you might try it.
So you do one coat, let it dry, crest, let that dry really well then do several top coats over the cresting?
And the GL doesn't smudge the cresting all to pieces when you pull the arrow back through the gasket?
L.R
I do two coats GL. Crest with acrylic, let dry for an hour and then a couple more GL. Works perfectly.
Bonner
Dan, what kind of acrylics do you use?
L.R.
I like Folk Art brand the best. I have used testers as well and it works too.
Sorry Lone Ranger, I went to an archery shoot and just got back. Yes that's the way I do it and it doesn't smudge the cresting. The first time over the cresting, I go pretty quickly. I'm sure if I leave it in the GL long enough, it would dissolve the cresting.
I've used the Model Masters Testor's for however long they've had them and have tried countless time to use the GL over the silver/gold pinstripes and without fail it smudges them. I built arrows for sale for over 35 years-all that time using Testor's Model Master's enamel for cresting and the only thing I found to protect the crest is to spray polyurethane and even then you can't put on too much. The solid colors are not a problem at all to GL over-just the gold and silver enamel used for fine pinstripes.
I've used the Model Masters Testor's for however long they've had them and have tried countless time to use the GL over the silver/gold pinstripes and without fail it smudges them. I built arrows for sale for over 35 years-all that time using Testor's Model Master's enamel for cresting and the only thing I found to protect the crest is to spray polyurethane and even then you can't put on too much. The solid colors are not a problem at all to GL over-just the gold and silver enamel used for fine pinstripes.
How do you do the gold or silver then? Spray a top coat of something water based from a can?
L.R.
Here is a picture of my cresting with GL over testors cresting. I have good luck going over gold and silver. Maybe it's because I don't do real fine pen stripes and I don't thin my gasket lacquer.
(http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s64/GordonJabben/2f1fecf4-190c-4cbc-94e3-a0130d686b14_zpsacd615fa.jpg) (http://s149.photobucket.com/user/GordonJabben/media/2f1fecf4-190c-4cbc-94e3-a0130d686b14_zpsacd615fa.jpg.html)
Gordon, your using a fine paint brush to apply the gold/ silver correct? I have used gold or silver pilot pens and they work ok too, but they also "smudge".
Thanks!
L.R.
L.R. I use the fine paint brush. I have tried the pens with poor results. I'm surprised that everyone has trouble with GL over testors when the only time I have had any problems is when I didn't let it dry for a day or two and when I thinned the GL too much with acetone.
Good luck with your arrows.
Appreciate the help Gordon, heard from 3rivers my stuff shipped today!
any insight on how to get a white cap on the tail end with out using white GL? is there any kind of straight paint that I can use after the first coat of GL to get a nice white crown dip? (or crown spray) that I can then go over with GL?
L.R.
I've done all my cresting over GL with Testor's enamel. Cresting holds up well on top of GL.
I have a little beef with GL though. I shoot a lot of targets with my arrows and the GL tends to get milky up front where the shaft heats up from friction. It shows up worse with the ebony stain I like to use.
Plus, GL doesn't do well with moisture. I live in Southeast AK and it rains all the time. GL and a lot of repeated rain exposure don't mix well.
When I make my next set, I'm probably going to switch to Daly's Pro Fin. I've heard that stoff works well.
Adam
Sorry L.R., I don't have any suggestions on the white cap dip and for some reason, I haven't had very good luck with white GL. I once tried some chartreus (sp) latex paint under GL and I couldn't keep my feathers on using duco cement.
Dan, and Gordon- here are my crested shafts. All of them have been dried now for 4 days. I dont know why I am sweating dipping them in the lacquer-
you are using the speed coat dipper cap right? the rubber gasket that strips off most of the laquer after ya dip the arrows?
just hoping I dont have a bunch of issues!
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LM2xjWiAo6w/Ud613oQy8gI/AAAAAAAACf8/tE2ysd5hxn0/w893-h670-no/IMG_3699%255B1%255D.JPG)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NOmdrCB-IJ4/Ud61GL2xxdI/AAAAAAAACfs/SjdSWMb3TB8/w893-h670-no/IMG_3698%255B1%255D.JPG)
L.R. :thumbsup:
Dang it L.R., you have got me a little nervous too!!!
I do use the gasket. Here's what I do. I take the arrow and quickly dip just past the cresting the first time. I'm sure if you let the cresting set very long in the gasket lacquer it will dissolve the cresting paint. Also I have had problems with thinned gasket lacquer. The acetone will make the cresting run. I just made up 42 arrows with very fine cresting lines and they came out great and I hope yours will too. Let us know how it turned out. :pray:
I use the ecodipper gasket that attaches to the side of the GL can and drips the excess back in the can. I dip the tip end into the unthinned GL (you don't need too much) and pull it through quickly. Let dry 15 minutes and repeat. Relax! its supposed to be fun.
Bonner
QuoteOriginally posted by Dan Bonner:
Relax! its supposed to be fun.
Bonner
It's only fun when things work out according to plan. When you start to see problems it can become un-fun very quickly.
Believe me, when you've got someone waiting on a set of arrows and you see the cresting smear down the shaft, it is un-fun.
Guy
Dan and Gordon thanks so much for your replies! My wife would tell you I'll relax when I am dead and not until then! (and Heaven had better be ready!!!)
will let ya know how it goes!
L.R.
Grabbed one and said what the heck- stuck it in tail first just past the arresting and pulled it back out, no problem! Did 3 more after that- need to move some arrows around to et them all done. EZPZ- no runs, perfect cresting!
Thanks for all the help!
L.R.
Grey, not sure what your remark means. I build bows and arrows for fun. I'm not a professional. I have blown up bows, designed and built forms that were inferior, smeared arrow cresting, cut arrows and lams too short, cut sight windows on the wrong side, gotten inumerable cuts, abrasions and splinters and loved every minute of it. I can spend 12 hours in my shop without a break and not once think about the stresses of everyday life. That's why I do it. I stress over the important stuff and arrows ain't that big a deaI. Advice was solicited and I contributed because I have relevant experience. I'm beginning to wish I had not....
Bonner
Dan- I appreciate the help! I'm pretty sure I would be mighty po'd If I had cut the sight window on the wrong side of a riser though! Hahaha
L.R.
:thumbsup:
It worked out fine. Made a new left handed friend. Glad your arrows turned out well.
Bonner
It worked out fine. Made a new left handed friend. Glad your arrows turned out well.
Bonner
Well? Lets see em dude!
Bonner