I'm trying to foot a 35/55 gold tip with a 2117 and it ain't going good.I tryed sanding the carbon some,but I still cant get the 2117 over the carbon.Is there some way to bore out the 2117 a little?
Thanks for any help.
Clean up your internal lips on your 2117. you can get a nice reamer at the gun shop, (I think a .38 cal. will work about $10 +-). Then cool down your carbons in the fridge or freezer and warm up your 2117. Should be a great fit.
The bore chamfer/deburring tool works great and I just got one from my brother last week and it actually takes that inside burr and removes it cleanly...
You can also get a brass bore cleaning brush at a gun shop or wal-mart in the archery,gun area in a single pack and put it in a battery drill and hold the footing tight and run the brush through several times on a low speed...It may get warm if you do it too long but it works great and preps the inside also...
Now what I liked better then the chamfer tool was I took a regular round pencil and cut it about 3 " and slid the footing onto the pencil and put the pencil in the drill chuck and took a reg. file and let it lay on an angle to chamfer the outside...
I then used that deburring side of the reamer/deburr tool and let it clean the inside then used that bristle brush..
A few folks have told me the 2117 won't fit good on a 15/35 or 35/55 gold tip but I beg to differ cause they slide very well on my 15/35 and 35/55 gold tips but I just need to glue them yet and I'm finished... :archer2:
2216! Shawn
Yeah I did some but they were CE 150 and used 2216. I'm not sure of the numbers on Gold Tips,but I would think if you were having that hard of a time with the 2117 this might be the way to go. I also as above used a good reaming tool.
Just glued up some 2117 footings on my 15/35 and I was able to slide it on with no problem...I actually took my thumb and middle finger and gently plucked it on and it slid all the way up to my arrow wrap....I saw that Charlie Lamb had a sizing chart and the 2117 fits both the 15/35 and 35/55 G.T.'s...Shawn I am new to the footings as well and just curious to why the 2216's :dunno: I actually had a few good folks say 2117 and 2216 :confused: I'm just very curious if there is a better reason to use a 2216 rather then the 2117?
Maybe trad/camo vs. black makes a difference
I used a chain saw file on the aluminum. Good luck. Makes a crash proof arrow
Mh
I have been able to heat up the footing which causes it to expand. That may solve your problem.
I tried sanding 3555s a little to get 2117s to fit. It weakened them up a little and I broke a few. But I miss real good and hit hard things like rocks. I have used 2114s when 2117s were too tight.
Ron,
Wouldn't the 2114"s be even more tight or did you mean 2214?
2114 inside dia. would be larger than 2117 by .003
(http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq136/bloodtrailer7/096-1.jpg) (http://s441.photobucket.com/user/bloodtrailer7/media/096-1.jpg.html) What are you cutting the 2117 with? If a tube/pipe cutter you will need to open the ends/chaffer or sand them till you get past the area that the cutter compressed(made :thumbsup: on GT3555 Iron insert helps glide&glues them on :archer:
Thanks for the help.I will try all the suggestions.I was cutting the 2117s with a arrow saw and running a little brush threw it and couldn't get it on,even broke a couple gold tips.
Deburr is the answer to why it isn't going on so easily and I bet once you do that and do it cleanly you will be surprised...Now the insert isn't glued in already is it?
Just curious is all :rolleyes: :D
I used the deburr tool on a tube cutter and have tryed two different style 2117s.The insert is not in the shaft.Maybe I just got some fat gold tips.I did try a 2216 and it is a little sloppy.
I don't know spit about carbons , but I thought I try em.Im a little hesitant to stump shoot without the footing.I ain't got the name rockkiller for nothing :bigsmyl:
I had a dozen camo 3555s and they seemed to be slightly bigger than my blems. The 2114s worked better on them.
Cause 2216's are a perfect fit! They go on snug and are a bit tougher than the 2117s as well. If you use a pipe cutter just take a knife and soin the footing around the blade a time or two with light pressure. You will not have an issue with either size if you have an arrow saw. Shawn
If the 2216 is too loose for you,go with a 2219.It is smaller ID than the 2216 and tougher than both.
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
2114 inside dia. would be larger than 2117 by .003
:confused: I thought the lower the number the tighter the fit not looser?
Shawn does that mean those 2216's are tighter or looser? I'm kind of confused now because I always thought that was bigger then a 2117 and those 2114 were smaller inside diameter ? Does this make sense :dunno:
The first number is measured in 64's making 2216's 22/64 in diameter. and they are .016 in wall thickness. The 2117 and 2114 are the same diameter but the 2114 is thinner making it go on easier.
Once you pick your outside diameter you then change the wall thickness to change the inside diameter. Given the same outside diameter, a thicker wall will make for a smaller inside. So a 2216 will fit looser than a 2217. A thicker wall should be the more durable footing I would think given it is trying to resist splitting.
If you figure out the ID of these different shafts you can see where you are and then calculate ID of other shaft options to find a likely candidate.
If you are going to use the 2117 and it will not quite fit then I would work the inside a little. I use a rat tail file on all my footings to take off the bur plus thin it down if needed to fit. Chain saw file is the same kind of thing, but the rat tail I have is a little larger so works more of the inside, and I think keeps it a little more uniform.
If you have to expand the footing to fit, I would lightly sand and clean off the outside of the shaft in the footing area and then just use hot melt glue on it.
Are you sure you shouldn't be trying at 2217 instead of a 2117?
It has been a long day so not sure these are right, but here is a shot at it.
2117 is 21/64 = 0.328125 OD – (2 x 0.017) =.294125 ID
2213 is 22/64 = 0.34375 OD – (2 x 0.013) =.31775 ID
2215 is 22/64 = 0.34375 OD – (2 x 0.015) =.31375 ID
2216 is 22/64 = 0.34375 OD – (2 x 0.016) = 0.31175 ID
2217 is 22/64 = 0.34375 OD – (2 x 0.017) = 0.30975 ID
I've used some old 2115's over GT 35/55 expedition hunters perfect fit.
All I know is I got my 2117's glued on my 15/35's with No problem what so ever...It's good to know there are several other sizes that work just as good so a 15/35 and a 35/55 G.T can take about 4 different aluminum footings so the choice is with whatever you may have or can get..I was fortunate to trade some Easton nocks for some 2117's and all went well footing mine...
I had found I had to deburr them well and chamferr then run the bore brush through for a clean fit...I am no expert on Aluminum sizeing charts but somewhere I found a chart Charlie Lamb had made up with what shaft size fits what carbon and from that chart and a friends advice I chose the 2117's..
It worked well but if I had some 2216's like Shawn told me to try I would of went with those but my trade was alredy in the making at the time...
Thanks to Shawn and everyone helping myself and those that were asking and letting us know what worked for them... :thumbsup:
Well, I will ask it? What aluminum for 55/75's?
Does the footing change the spine any? Will I have to re- bare shaft?
"Well, I will ask it? What aluminum for 55/75's? "
The closest fit would be 2219(.3058" ID) but 2216(.3118 ID) would probably work but would be a looser fit.
A one inch footing shouldn't change things.It isn't longer than the insert so it doesn't stiffen anything and the weight will be 10-13 gs,depending.I also put a 1/4" footing on the nock end.That both strengthens the nock end and also offsets the weight of the front footing.
That sounds about right, JimB. I put about
1-3/4" to 2" footings on some aluminum arrows and it stiffened them up. I should have stuck with 1 inch or a little less.
Here is a chart that shows inside diameters.If you can find or measure your carbon's outside diameter,you should be able to pick the closest available aluminum shaft.
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Thank you for the info. I am hunting for some aluminums now.
Tom
I use 2117's on 3555 GT trad blems, and 2216's on 5575 GT trad blems with no problems whatsoever. I use a deburring tool on the aluminum and they slide on smooth and fit snug.
Finally got my hands on a 2219 and that did the trick for the gt35/55s