I was wondering... I drooled all over the topics regarding static tip recurves.
I would like to order one, but my wallet is saying I shoudn't..
So would there be a huge difference between a hybrid longbow and a static tip recurve? Especially between a Cari-bow Peregrine and a Tuktu-Ex??
I can imagine that the Tuktu would be a bit smoother to pull and a little bit faster. But it wouldn't be a hughe difference, would it????
Yeah, it's a big difference in speed and the weight of arrows it can sling comfortably.
only statics I used was dryad epics with bambooo core. There draw was extremely smooth and kinda felt like there was a little let off towards the end. Speed wise I dont have a chrono but I wouldnt say it was leaps and bounds faster then my hybrids. My omega hybrid at the same weight tuned perfect with the exact arrows I tuned for the titan/ epic setup.
Call or message Abe he can tell you the difference in his bow better than any one.
You are right JB! This is what Abe answers:
You can see the static is smoother on the graph.
It's longbow quiet
Performance is the same at 7.25". If I lower it it's better. I like it at 7.25". It is a quiet at 7.25" and I like that.
But I also value the experience of archers here.
I shoot my Tuktu EX at 7.75"s, I may lose a bit of performance but I did not want to have to go to a .400 spine so upped the BH a bit and it tunes perfect. I really like how smooth the static is. Shawn
Does the static have limb vibration like the silver fox LB limbs? I really liked the feel of the silver fox but I didn't like the way with limbs vibrated after the shot.
They do vibrate a little, but certainly nothing that will affect your shot. I also think they are a tad noisier than longbows, but that's to be expected with any recurve
They are a bit louder than longbows but mine are not much. I say mine because I have not shot the others. I have noticed that lower poundages seem to be a bit louder to me'; But hey, that could all be in my mind;.
I found out that loudness also depends from the wind and where you stand. When the surroundings are dead-quiet, you may find your bow loud. When you are shooting from a cabin, which echoes the sounds, even louder. When shooting outside, with some wind or other sounds, you might not hear anything at all....
I also found out that vibrations or handshock are very subjective. My first bow was a mildly r/d longbow. I would have swore that that bow didn't have any handshock or vibrations at all.
Later I bought hybrid longbows. Going back to my first longbow, I suddenly mentioned how much handshock and vibrations it had.....
I could have swore that my hybrids didn't have any vibrations at all.
Then I bought a 3 pce high mass recurve. When I go back to my hybrids after shooting that bow, I suddenly notice that the limbs have vibrations after the shot....... :)
Any out there with the same experience???
I shoot both Dryad longbow limbs and a pair of Dryad Epic static tip recurves off my Dryad ILF riser. The static tip limbs are very quiet, stable, fast, smooth, and yes....there's a bit of perceived letoff. I've been a longbow only shooter for the past 20 years, but these Epic's are finding themselves on my riser for more and more practice time each week......it's just dang'd fun to shoot limbs that are 4# lower in draw weight, but spit an 11gpp arrow as fast as my Dryad ACS longbow limbs. YMMV.
Kirk will have his Static Tip SS model at the upcoming B'more shoot...he's going to let folks shoot them and see for themselves. He'll be at the range evenings from 4-6pm, for those who will be there.
I intend to be one of those people...he's finding what others report, that the Static Tip will launch an arrow faster than a heavily R/D longbow limb and do it with glass vs. LB with carbon/foam core and less draw weight!!!
He put a few together with carbon anyway to see and that will be interesting as well. I like the idea of dropping draw weight with some issues I have and still maintaining the efficiency to use heavier arrows at hunting distances!
After getting a batch of these new static tip limbs built, I have mounted them on different length risers and used different core materials and glass configurations. The actual speeds of them vary just like any bow you build. Sometimes it's just a few fps... other times it's 6-8 fps from one set of limbs to the next depending on draw weight and bow length......
The most noticeable difference between a hybrid long bow and a static tip RC is the feel of the draw.... If you have never shot a well balanced static tip RC You need to try it.... They have a different feel to them.
I have never shot a bow that had such good manners and smoothness of draw. and the feel of these limbs is very consistent from one set to the next at different draw weights, even though they may test differently in the chrono.
Sound and vibration in a bow has more to do with the limb balance, tension on the string at brace, type of string used, and the weight of your arrows you are shooting.....
The only disadvantage to the static tip RC is having to use a good recurve stringer and be careful stringing them. For guys who string and unstring their bows a lot I can see where they may appreciate a hybrid they can easily string up with a push/pull.
So far i'm not seeing a lot of difference in performance using carbon backing on my new design.
One other thing.... I'm sure you guys have heard the term "Twitchy" before. I have seen very aggressive long bow limbs that some would consider "Twitchy" getting off the string.... Getting off the string smooth with these static tip limbs seem effortless by comparison to me.....I believe the string angle at full draw is a significant factor.
there's my .02 cents... Kirk
I am waiting on a bow from South I have been going back and forth on the longbow limbs and the statics. I hav always been a longbow shooter. But, I think you made a very strong case for trying the static limbs Kurt. Thanks for the info.
QuoteOriginally posted by Flying Dutchman:
I found out that loudness also depends from the wind and where you stand. When the surroundings are dead-quiet, you may find your bow loud. When you are shooting from a cabin, which echoes the sounds, even louder. When shooting outside, with some wind or other sounds, you might not hear anything at all....
I like how you think and articulate your thoughts. Some people think a lot but they are not necessarily wise. You, on the other hand, make good sense!
I love to shoot my static RER Vital. It has a wonderful "feel" that suits me. It is one of 4 RER static curves I've had and I don't ever want to be without one.
I've also had the Dryad static limbs in regular bolt down and ILF and they are impressively quick, especially the bolt down.
As this relates to hybrid longbows, I wouldn't trade one for the other if you are satisfied with how your longbow shoots (having seen how well you shoot that Peregrine, you have to be pleased). I doubt there is a lot of difference in quietness if either bow is properly tuned. The statics may be slightly quicker but the biggest difference is in how the draw feels. I like how a good longbow feels on the draw too so one is not "better" than the other in my opinion.
Static tip recurve . . . when I hear Ad considering one and hear explanations by Steve and Kirk, it makes me wonder. The characteristics of the static tip recurve sound desirable.
QuoteI like how you think and articulate your thoughts. Some people think a lot but they are not necessarily wise. You, on the other hand, make good sense!
Darned, acknowledgement at last!!! :jumper:
QuoteOriginally posted by Moots:
Static tip recurve . . . when I hear Ad considering one and hear explanations by Steve and Kirk, it makes me wonder. The characteristics of the static tip recurve sound desirable.
I don't know Moods. I think Jedimaster nailed it. Main difference will be how the different types of bow draw. I understand that a static tip draws smoother.
Performance wise both types will be close.
A recurve is louder.
A recurve is more vulnarable for limb-twist.
A static tip recurve will be more difficult to string.
A recurve can be build in shorter lengths, important in tree-stands.
Personally I don't think all this reasons justify adding a static tip to my collection.
On the other hand: buying a new bow is ALWAYS fun! :dunno:
I have two static tip bows,one Border Black Douglas 62" with HEX 6 limbs (51#@28) ,very fast but need two set string silencer + wraps on each ends string to be good to hunt with.
This bow is very very easy to string and the draw is very different than the other bows,lot of preload and after that,you can feel somethink like a let off, but after shooting it alot this special sensation diseppear (,I think our body integrate this different drawing and forget it).
My second static is a RER,Vital model,60", (51#@28) ,very quiet (like a longbow),not as fast as the Border but with very good performance,not as stable (limbs stability) than the Border too , the drawn is smoother but more linear than the Border and stringing the RER is a little more hard but not a problem at all.
Here is the comparaison, two static tips bows,two different bows and two differents sensations :dunno: .
Ad,
I have a Whipplish coming in about three weeks. I don't think there is much that is static in those crazy limbs!
Rob
Well, without starting any problems, I would like to ask a "speed question". For those of you with static tips, would you consider them faster than the BF extreme limbs? or any high quality IFL limbs? Thanks
Well, without starting any problems, I would like to ask a "speed question". For those of you with static tips, would you consider them faster than the BF extreme limbs? or any high quality IFL limbs? Thanks
Not sure,. How fast are those bows?
The last one I had chronographed was 202 fps at 28 in and 9gpp for three shot average with a Hooter shooter.
Kirks was 204 at same setup but with a slightly longer bow. Mine a 58 and his a 60.
My understanding is that like with some of the builders that build both three piece and ILFs that the Three piece bows are faster.
Maybe this will help a bit. God bless you , Steve
A static tip RC has the potential for being the fastest single string bow there is.... I say "has the potential"... because there are so many factors that change the actual speed from one bow to the next. Even building identical bows, you get a slight variation in speed from one bow to the next for some reason....
I can take the same set of limbs that hit over 200 fps at 9gpp on a 60" bow with a 17" riser drawing 28", and put them on a 19" riser that strings up 62", and it's a whole different bow. The speed drops down considerably at 28" draw, but..... the draw is smoother yet than it was on the shorter riser....and it draws a lot further without any significant jump in PPI.....
A hot set of bolt down limbs are typically faster than any ILF combo that i know of.... i can't exactly explain why that is though... you'd have to rattle Wing Nuts cage on that one bro.... He's a bit more savy in the ILF dept than i am, but i think he'll agree on the bolt down limbs performance being a bit higher on the average.
Kirk
The fastest bow I ever owned was a sovereign ballistik static recurve.
Steve / Kirk,
Thank you for the information.
Yup, we are learning a lot from Steve and Kirk here! Great that they take the time to educate us...