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Title: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 17, 2013, 02:42:00 PM
I'm being introduced to a new friend who has a homestead near where I live, and while discussing some of the joys and headaches of owning chickens(i've got a modest four in my yard in tampa) I was told a sad story about some mysterious animal clawing some of the chickens to death through the chickenwire when noone was around. I mentioned that my girlfriend and I were prospective bowhunters soon to acquire our licenses and may be able to investigate and perhaps bring the animal to justice. Her answer was an enthusiastic yes, she wants to talk about it with me and Vicky tomorrow.

I have no idea what her land looks like or what kind of game sign I'll find, although I suspect the culprit is most likely a possum or a raccoon.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Wannabe1 on April 17, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
Good luck and make sure the animal you harvest is legal! No better way to cut your teeth on hunting than small game.   :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 17, 2013, 04:41:00 PM
Thanks! I'm trying not to get my hopes too  high since I have no idea what the property is like but it's hard not to be excited. I'm sure there's at least one chicken-mauler around there somewhere and after scouting the land I'll bring my list of legal game and check it twice before nocking any arrows. I'll also be sure to follow up on the adventure-log here if anything comes of it.  :)
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: snakewood3 on April 17, 2013, 05:27:00 PM
Sounds like a great adventure to get you started.
If it "clawing through the wire" it could be a Bobcat ! Possum, coon or skunk would bite their heads or necks primarily. Small game / varmits can be tough, good luck.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: JamesV on April 17, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
Legal or not if an animal was killing my chickens I would handle them.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Converml on April 17, 2013, 10:55:00 PM
Again check your states laws, many make allowances for nuisance critters and such. shooting at night especially in a town there may be town laws also better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Bill Carlsen on April 18, 2013, 09:06:00 AM
We had the same problem when we had chickens. Put a trail camera in the chicken pen and it was coons. Best solutions was trapping and recycling them.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Jeff Strubberg on April 18, 2013, 09:09:00 AM
Feral cats are also heck on chickens.  You'd be surprised what your housecat will kill just for the fun of it.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: reddogge on April 18, 2013, 09:24:00 AM
Put up a game camera first to see what you are dealing with. Chances are it's nocturnal activity. Then forumulate a plan to dispose of the beast. BTW a .22 will take care of the problem quickly and surely and will endear you to the landowner better than a miss with your bow.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 18, 2013, 09:46:00 AM
Thank you, you all raise really good points. While it would be a huge help, unfortunately I can't afford a camera in the near future; are there other tips regarding how to determine what it is? I won't be using a gun, and I suspect that might be related to her stance on letting me use her land (since she lives in a town with lots of hunters, I get to wondering 'why me').

If I do get target panic and miss, is that "game over?" Or can I just try again another day if that happens?
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 18, 2013, 01:27:00 PM
I met with her today and she said there are at least ten raccoons that frequent her land and she has some possum and fox problems every now and then, but it's mostly raccoon. She added that bunnies are off limits because they are cute and don't hurt anything. I'm going over to her house this weekend during her birthday party and she recommended I bring a bottle of scotch for her husband.   :p
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: awbowman on April 18, 2013, 01:35:00 PM
Check for tracks around the hen house.  You will know what you are up against
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: tarponnut on April 18, 2013, 02:11:00 PM
I would bet it's raccoons at night(it's legal to hunt them at night in FL). Bring a red light and set-up at dusk.
Forget blunts or judo points, use broadheads, coons are tough animals.(I've lost count of how many raccoons I've killed with a bow).
If you get an arrow in one, run it down and finish the job, you don't want the landowner or neighbor to find a dead coon on their lawn.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: tarponnut on April 18, 2013, 02:20:00 PM
Make sure you treat the landowners right, there's no telling what doors it could open for you.
Good luck!
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Post by: KOOK68 on April 18, 2013, 02:29:00 PM
The landowner finding dead animals is one thing. Finding a live coon running around with an arrow through it is another.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: John Scifres on April 18, 2013, 03:41:00 PM
Another round of chickenwire 6" away from the first would be more effective in saving the chickens than trying to eradicate them with a bow.  You'll never get rid of them as long as they can get to the chickens.  

But it sure is fun to hunt at night so definitely give it a go.  

My brother shot a coon off his roof with his recurve a couple nights ago.  Centerpunched his chest as he was standing on hindlegs.  The damn thing still got the arrow out of him and got away.  My first trad kill was a raccoon and he did not die easy.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: John Scifres on April 18, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Oh yeah, scotch makes an evening of coon hunting even more fun  :)
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 18, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
Alright, I'm definitely going to use these great ideas. Red light, broadheads.. run it down.

So that means I chase it while it's still alive after the hit and snatch it and cut it's neck? If so, are bleeding raccoons hard to catch? Retreival at night is definitely a bit intimidating since I've never tried it before.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: gringol on April 18, 2013, 04:11:00 PM
I wouldn't grab a wounded coon at all.  Just keep shooting.  The last one I shot took 3 BHs before he went down.  1 through the pelvis from behind and up to the sternum. And two in the boiler room.  If your friend is squimish at all I'd make sure they aren't watching.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: tarponnut on April 18, 2013, 05:15:00 PM
NOOOOO don't grab it! Just keep shooting until it's dead, (which may include running after it)
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 18, 2013, 05:28:00 PM
I agree about hunting them but if legal and with landowner permission just shoot them with a .22 to save a lot of hassle, head shots work wonders. Shawn
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 18, 2013, 05:29:00 PM
Okay, I'm relieved to hear that grabbing a wounded animal isn't part of the procedure! My hunting safety course only talked about deer, and a little was mentioned about hogs. I wasn't sure what 'run it down' meant so the explanation is truly appreciated! I'm pretty good at hitting moving targets and within 13 yards my night shooting is pretty good, so I think running it down is something I can handle. 15yards is a bit of a gamble in the dark and 20 is a shot I can only make wih daylight or at least twilight.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 18, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
Oh but if I get a red light it won't be that dark! I'm gonna do some online window shopping right away so I can maybe get one and practice shooting by red light in my yard at night!  :D
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 18, 2013, 09:11:00 PM
Anybody have suggestions for a good light to use? I'm not sure what to search for. (Also should i get those nockturnal red glowing nocks for my night hunting arrows?)
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Converml on April 18, 2013, 09:32:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by gringol:
I wouldn't grab a wounded coon at all.  Just keep shooting.
Now this thread is really getting good.   :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Jedimaster on April 18, 2013, 10:24:00 PM
Wouldn't advise just grabbing a "recently dead" coon either ... but that's a story for another day. Unlike some critters, coons have levels of "dead" and you want them to be sufficiently dead before touching. Trust me.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: John Scifres on April 19, 2013, 10:35:00 AM
Cold and rotting is a good indicator of "dead" for a coon  :)

If at any time you have the impulse to yell "Hey watch this!" while hunting coons at night with a bow and a glass of scotch, stop and think how painful that round of rabies shots will be after you sober up  :)

Pics and video are greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: 4dogs on April 19, 2013, 10:45:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by Jedimaster:
Wouldn't advise just grabbing a "recently dead" coon either ... but that's a story for another day. Unlike some critters, coons have levels of "dead" and you want them to be sufficiently dead before touching. Trust me.
Wise words from a voice of experience from the sounds of it  :scared:
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Hawkeye on April 19, 2013, 11:00:00 AM
A live trap might be a better solution than any of the above, in some cases.  Find out what you can do without getting in trouble with the law, though, or your bowhunting career could be over before it starts!  Good luck helping your new friend, AND with your pursuit of our great sport.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: nick_the_tinkerer on April 19, 2013, 12:13:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Shawn Leonard:
I agree about hunting them but if legal and with landowner permission just shoot them with a .22 to save a lot of hassle, head shots work wonders. Shawn
Agree 100%

I shot one in the city, so no firearms were allowed. DAMN 2 arrows from 2 different guys and that SOB still removed the arrows and never found the body in my garage!    :eek:

Head shots or spinal shots are only things to pin them suckers down for good.    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Converml on April 19, 2013, 01:02:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Hawkeye:
A live trap might be a better solution t.
It's true. If you want to make a good impression with the least v trauma a live trap then immerse it in a garbage can filled with water for about 20 on a coon should get through all 3 phases of coon death.
   If your just bent on shooting something it may not be the best situation. Dispose of it in this way and it could open up a better relationship with the property owner.
   Again check the town laws etc some can be pretty crazy requiring a pest control permit.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: DEATHMASTER on April 19, 2013, 01:06:00 PM
Make sure you have someone film the part with you grabbing a live wounded coon.I love the funniest home videos.
A small one will still kick you arse.
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: S. Brant Osborn on April 19, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
I'm going to beat this dead horse one more time. "don't touch it unti you absolutely know for sure it is dead.". They can grab and hold on with their hind feet as goods their front.  And that cute little face is full of teeth.  Shoot till you run out of arrows  if you think he is still alive.

Make sure if you're chasing after (running after) that all broadheads and knives are in a protective cover.  No running arround with nocked arrows.  Not only can you hurt yourself, but more likely poke anyone there with you!  I've seen that happen before.

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Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: LoweBow on April 19, 2013, 02:13:00 PM
Coons love to grab chickens and put what they can thru the wire.  Best of luck!
Title: Re: Friend with land and "mission"
Post by: Haikan on April 19, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
Thanks. I still don't really know what to get in terms of a red light but I did grab some nockturnal night shooting nocks from the archery store and that has made night practice a lot less frustrating, since I can always find my stick-in-the-dirt arrows right away. Another neat thing about the lightup nocks is  since  the nock lights up after you release the string, I can see generally where I hit the target from far away, and confirm the straightness of the arrow when I approach the target..  That being said, I'm still amazed at how the 10 yards and 13 yards are still fine, but my skill at 15, 17.5 and 20 just disappear when the sun sets (which In turn leads to the embarrassing walk to pick up arrows out of the dirt). I'm guessing that my nocturnal longshot accuracy will get better with more night practice.