OK so i keep reading about static recurves and that they are fast and quiet compared to standard recurves. I have been trading and selling my curves and getting more LB's since i was struggling to get my recurves as quiet as i would have liked them. My LB's are very quiet and most are pretty fast. BUT since i just need to keep playing and testing new bows ..... statics are making me want to try a recurve again.
I had a couple Kwyk Styk's and i could not get them quiet. Some people say Jack's bows are one of the best statics so that is why i tried them a while ago. maybe they came with wrong string, i was not smart enough to set them up correctly or my threshold for quiet is not the same as others.
Soooo i am curious who makes a truly quiet static recurve and do they compare to a LB when you say they are quiet?
In talking to a couple Bowyers i will be trying one of steve's Eagle Wings, but just curious what is out there and what thoughts you have.
mike
Mike,
Come to ETAR this year and shoot our Epic static recurve limbs. I think you'll change your mind about quiet curves.
Mike
Jack's Bows are Extremely quiet, and that includes his full working recurves!!!??? I just string them up ,set brace height to 71/4" install nock set at 1/2' and shoot. I do not think another bow brand will solve your problem. IMHO.
I love how quiet my Morrison Max I's are.
I have a Zipper ILF with Dryad Static recurve limbs, yarn wrap on the ends of the string and wool puffs.... like a whisper!!
Remember the Ballistik recurve 10 plus years ago. Very fast and very quiet.
I have a severe hearing loss and a bow has to be pretty noisy before I would call it loud. However, I was shooting a new RER Retro static tip that had minimal rubber whiskers on it from the bowyer. A shooter next to me commented "Wow, that bow is really quiet". I have several bows which I can hear, but I can not hear any difference between my Retro and a 66" "D" type Border longbow. All I hear is the string "swishing". Just my experience for what it's worth.
The 3-4 statics that I have had have all been quieter than a full working limb recurve. I think a good static is the best of both worlds, draws smooth and quiet like a Longbow and shoots fast and hard like a recurve. but that is just my opinion.
Roman is in the early stages of designing and building static recurve limbs for the Bobcat. Hope to have a couple sets finished for ETAR.
Wouldn't that be cool for your Dalmation Bobcat???!!!
I have never had the pleasure of seeing a Kwik Stik but any Soverign type bow I have had or heard are quick and quiet. I think you will be happy with your choice. Enjoy! Send pictures.
Lou
Recurve sound different.
Perhaps that is what your are interpreting as loud.
Have a buddy shoot your set up while your standing nearby, see what ya think then.
My Stalker static is quiet. As I said before I shot longbows for a dozen years and would dabble with recurves but could never get them whisper quiet so would quit shooting them. But this recurve with one of my 12 strand strings is quiet. Especially with wood arrows! As quiet as my d shaped longbows no, but quiet enough that I enjoy shooting it. YMMV
I have traded alot of recurves recently because I could not get them as quiet as my longbow. I picked up a used rer static tip on the classifieds and finally found a recurve I will keep. It is very quiet, longbow quiet.
My RER was quieter than any of my working recurves but not as quiet as my longbows.
RERBows there statics are very quiet and Abe Penner has a new static that is awesome! Shawn
My Fox Breed with a set of cat whiskers is dead quiet. Quieter than any longbow I have shot. It is also very fast. I have never been hung up on speed, but it is addictive.
interesting - keep the comments coming. Sounds like it is possible but are they sensitive to using the right string or heavy arrows? My good LB's are even quiet at 9 gpp (habu, EW and Hill country).
yes roman that would be cool - not a big fan of multiple sets of limbs, but might we selling one of my bows for a good static.....
Like I mentioned mike, I have mine quiet enough that I enjoy shooting it. With carbon or wood that are 10 grain per pound so not overly heavy. The string did make a difference, but I think that can be said on almost any bow. If you'd like to hear what some of the fuss is about get ahold of South and do his test drive program. You can hear for yourself :)
But again my d longbows are quieter ;)
The Toelke Chinook does not know it is a recurve :)
My Maddog Retro Recurve is static and that bow is unbelievably Quiet!
I have an Eaglewing Talon II, which is a static tip, and it's incredibly quiet. My friends at the range were amazed by it. I can't say enough good things about Steve's bows.
Same goes for Kevin TerMaak's RERs. My friend has two RER static tips (an XR and a set of custom limbs for his Type A magnesium riser), and they're awesome. The custom limbs are 51@28", and they shoot a Beman MFX 400 at 197fps. That's with a 50-grain insert and a 125-grain tip.
So to answer your question, yes, I do think a static tip can make a bow quieter and a bit faster.
Mike,
My new Stalker Static is extreme quiet with woodys. I was totally impressed with the feel of the static. It is not as quiet as my Pronghorn longbow, but close and noticeably quiter than my Silvertip. I know you wouldn't be disappointed with a Stalker.
Brent
Sounds like I am on the right track - stalker, EW, and RER. Curious if anyone has shot all three and which is quieter / faster ????
Mike
+1 on Chinook. Only sound is from the feathers going across the rest.
once you shoot an RER STATIC TIP you will truly like the quiet sound but the really great surprize is the smooth draw it gives.its then the best for shooting a bow that every shooter longs for.
I have both an RER XR with static tips and a Dryad Orion with static tips. Both are longbow quiet with just cat whiskers. I would not go back to working limb recurves. I think the static tips eliminate string slap. I also think they reduce finger pinch. I get zero pinch with my 56" Orion in a very compact package.
A lot has to do with the string with recurves in general as far as noise is concerned IMO. I recently shot a "Skinny" string (10 strand Ultracam, with loops padded to 16) on a SA from the mid '90s. Easily the quietest Widow I've ever shot... Made a "Skinny" string of my own for my Kwyk Styk with Statics, and it is now longbow quiet also... Well "Hybrid" longbow quiet... Not many bows are as quiet as a "D" limb longbow or a selfbow for that matter... Plus, if you haven't tried Bowhush, give that a try too... It helps also!
My RER Arroyo was very quiet when I recieved it in a trade but as all my recurves I like to make my own strings,puffs and wrap the wool yarn down from the string loops a few inch's just to be 100%sure...I also had found that by making two tie on nocks (cause I shoot split fingers) has helped just by keeping the arrow nock from sliding down upon release and of coarse the correct arrow....I probally didn't need the wool around the loops but didn't go as far down due to the static not letting the string touch the limb as much on a release but there was a difference in sting noise reduction and I haven't noticed any sort of rolling affect to the side from the wraps keeping the string from lining up center of the grooves cause I didn't build up the wrap heavy...That new bow Shawn is talking about is going to be nice and I cann't wait to hear how it sounds with static...Keep us imformed Shawn...
The quietest bow BY FAR I own or have ever owned is MY LEON STEWART Slammer . It is not ( of course ) a recurve . I DO own numerous recurves as does my son . MY son has most of the better Static limb recurves , Qyk Styk , RER Eagle wing etc . I shoot next to him often and the Static limbs I M H O do shoot quieter WHEN TUNED CORRECTLY then working limb recurves . We did have some trouble tuning out noise on a couple when first they were acquired. EXPERIMENT !!!!!
Forgot to mention . I have ( along with my Son ) done a lot of research and shooting of Static limb recurve's in the last 3 years . I am usually a died-in-the-wool LONG bow guy , but do appreciate recurves AND am seriously thinking of having one made for me. IF SO, it WILL BE a Static limb and it WILL come from either EAGLE WING OR BIG FOOT .
Mike
It sounds like you are a little more discerning and or have a little lower noise threshold. I've gotten my RER very quiet and I deem it perfertly acceptable for hunting. i would say it is very quiet, a subjective description at best. Beyond tuning silencer position having a heavy arrow will work wonders for most any bow, like 13gpp. I find the arrow is more spooking than the bow when it comes to game. Fletching noise is a real issue don't ignore it. That being said I had a dwyer dauntless that was like a mouse fart and I don't think any recurve will ever come close to it. You can get recurves quiet too. I've gotten second shots with both.
i do have a low threshold for noise - but there are bows out there that can do it. I think i am going to have to find some of these to try....more bow testing - love it!!
Mike
There is a best of both worlds option from RER that gets missed sometimes. I have the LXR version of the takedown which includes both a set of static tip recurve limbs and a set of r/d longbow limbs. I do think the longbow limbs are a tad quieter; either set is plenty quiet for hunting.
DDave
I made the realization a few years back that the sound of a bow from behind it. Is a lot different than the sound in front of or to the side... Much less down range. So as someone else mentioned. Have another person shoot your bow and stand in those positions and listen from a different perspective.
My opinion on a quiet recurve. Is my static stalker. For sure. Really quiet.
Hey Mike,
If you are coming to the Baltimore Classic this year i'm going to have a couple of my new Sasquatch SS static tip bows there for folks to try out. These things are amazingly quiet, and pretty quick too.
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I have a RER Arroyo,and it is WAY quieter than my long-bow. I once bought a Recurve from Rob Lee at the Hill Country Shootout in Texas.I noticed the string loops were a slightly different color than the rest of the string and asked Rob about it.He said he soaked the loops in Lacquer thinner to take the wax out of them.It worked great and I do it to all of my curve strings.I shoot a 9 strand D-97 with 16 strand padded loops and it is supper quiet on my Static tip.
I think I will be there. Sent u a PM Kirk.
Keith Chastains wapiti very quiet and plenty fast.
Mike, still have that sweet 58" Kwyk Styk I picked up from you. Wool puffs with an eight strand SBD string and it's plenty silent. Been through a few Kwyk Styk's and more than a few RER's. Set up properly, at my 30" draw, a 60" RER XR is quieter than most longbows I've owned and shot. Hard to believe but it's true.
I have the same quiet standards as Mike. I haven't shot a quiet takedown recurve. All the tolkes I have shot have been the quietest in their class. Kestral, Chinook, Whip
RB: have the same quiet standards as Mike. I haven't shot a quiet takedown recurve. All the tolkes I have shot have been the quietest in their class. Kestral, Chinook, Whip
If you ever shoot the SS or the RER or the EW or the Tuktu or any geometric Static Recurve that will change. They will just flat out amaze you for quietness and speed. I'm sending Mike one to try and even though at his 30 in draw and it being a 56 in bow and not the best example or what he would get with a 60 or 62 I am not really worried about noise. I shot it at 29 and very quiet there. with nothing on the string.
God bless, Steve
I just received my KS from Jack yesterday. After putting my bow hush silencers on it, it is super quiet. I like skinny strings on my bows but might just leave the one Jack sent with it because it is super quiet. No use messing with what works.
This is my 2nd KS and they both have been quiet.
Can't wait to try Steve's static! I am sure that will have me ordering one.....
I am very impressed with all the reviews on here and sounds like I am missing out on statics. BTW-Steve tried to tell me that a little while ago BUT I didn't listen!
Mike
From the comments above it sounds like Static is not only quieter but also more performance/efficient. Any guesses on % added performance of statics over recurve tips?
Is this a free lunch with this design or are there other "Issues" [ie; Stability, etc]
Here is my Morrison Phoenix with MAX 1 limbs and it is as quiet as my Toelke bows.
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I have had an Eagle Wing Talon II, a ILF Dryad set of static recurve limbs, a Kwyk Styk static, several RER XR's, and a Stalker static. The only one I still have is one of the RER XR's as it is the quietest and it is the best shooting bow that I've owned. The Dryad limbs were screening fast and very quiet but sold them because they were to much poundage for me. The Stalker Static was a beautiful bow that was very fast and quiet but I didn't like the grip. The Eagle Wing was a very well made bow but I just didn't shoot it consistently. With the Kwyk Styk I'll take the high road and just say I was happy to trade it away. I have had a lot of fun trying the different bows and finding what works for me. I hope you have as much fun as I have in finding what works for you.
Its not a free lunch. Statics are prone to be hard to string compared to most working recurves. However with a little practice and a good block stringer that is not an insurmountable problem. Statics require greater torsional stability which can be tricky , especially in the lower weights.
The need is generated because the tip does not bend with the rest of the limb so it is critical to have great torsional stability . How this is achieved directly effects the efficiency and overall performance of the bow. It is why I personally prefer the static to be accomplished with very little additional weight if any. Geometry , hense my coining geometric static as a type, is the best way to accomplish this as it it not necessery to add any weight. No heavy overlays or wedges. The materials you use in the bow limb also have a lot to do with the static design working properly. length of working limb, height of recurve to notch,ect.
A good amount of help can be hade with 45 45 weave carbon or glass added to the stack to give torsional stability plus belly strength, however that is accomplished it contributes to the bows stability and performance.
A strong belly adds a lot to torsional stability.
Sooooooooooo, To answer , are they a free lunch? Not unless the bow is extremely well designed. Then I see absolutely no down side.
God bless, Steve
I have had quite a few static recurves and I like em.I have 2 right now.Thier are many full working recurves that are very quiet as well IMO.
I just received my Stalker coyote fxt with static limbs last week and I have to say its fantastic and extremely quiet ! I'm planning on ordering another soon !
Stability, yep...well said Steve.
It gets interesting when you look at the top shooters at the IBO trad nationals and the top few shot this style of limb.
I I have a commanche static by Curtis byrd neat bow if you dont draw more than 28
I I have a commanche static by Curtis byrd neat bow if you dont draw more than 28
QuoteOriginally posted by Sharpend60:
Recurve sound different.
Perhaps that is what your are interpreting as loud.
Have a buddy shoot your set up while your standing nearby, see what ya think then.
^^^^^^^^ That's it for me! Longbows go "thud" and recurves go "twang". I don't know that my recurve is really all that much louder than my longbow, but I just can't stand that "twang"!
Bisch
yes sir my Kwyk Styks are quiet 8 strand 452x string with beaver fur of muskrat work well for me I like 7.5 brace ,, the bow will tell you which brace is best for Jacks bows ,, my 56"s a bit more Quiet than my 58" , we refer to Jacks strings as tow ropes ,, however they are fairly Quiet :biglaugh:
I have developed a new limb that will work great on both top mount or belly mount. It is designed specifically for the belly mount bow though and has wonderful stability with as good speed as the top mount static. I believe it to be a first of its kind. I just sent the first one off for a customer but have several more on order. I hunted with my test bow this season and just love it. Its as quiet or quieter than the Talon 11 and considerably faster. I will be introducing it with some pics soon. Its a bit modernistic looking due to what I had to do to get that stability in the belly mount limb but please forgive for that. I'[m more interested in performance and shootability than particular looks.
God bless, Steve Will try to get some pics up in the next couple of days.
I have been shooting TallTines for the last few years, they are super quiet!
I have had quite a few static tipped recurves and I like them.Right now I have an RER Arroyo and its a great bow and shoots quietly.
I have other recurve bows on the rack that are not static and they shoot very quiet.
I dont think just because its not a Static recurve it must be noisy.Depends on the bow and how its its set up as well.I have had had many full working recurves that are very quiet.
I have a Javaman Assyrian that is a very quick bow with static limbs and just lets out a dull thump when shot. Perfectly quiet.
steve - looking forward to the belly mount static pics........
Though not a static, take a look at a Fox Breed. Hands down both the quietest and fastest bow I have ever shot. If I could have gotten used to the longbow like grip I would still be shooting one.
I agree with Ben that the Morrison with Max 1's is very quiet.
The most quiet bow I currently own is my Bigfoot Sasquatch recurve. I'm not hunting with it this year but not because of any deficiency.
Folks have different priorities when it comes to the equipment they choose to shoot/hunt with. I'm drawn to the recurve for its lines. No other type of bow on a scale of 1 to 10 gets past 5 for me in the aesthetics department. All that I have owned are quiet enough for my hunting.
I haven't had any deer jump the string. Admittedly I hunt deer that if I or my son don't shoot at them, no one will (private).
I only know two static recurves, a Border Black Douglas HEX 6 bb2 and a RER Vital model,the RER is very very quiet.
Keith Chastain's wapiti
Dryad epics ILF static limbs are the quietest limbs I have shoot on a recurve.
I had Dryad Epic ILF on a Dorado riser. Yarn wrapped string with silencers. Dead quiet and damn fast.
RER XR static. I have tried several others. The RER with 10gpp and skinny string is like a good hybrid longbow. I am picky.
What weight arrows out of what weight bows are you shooting and what tuning are you doing?
I've heard good things about the performance of STR bows, but just never have had a chance to shoot one where I could seriously evaluate it. That changed when Abe Penner offered to do a pass-around on one of his Tuktu Ex recurves. He sent me this bow and I kept it a week. Lots easier to evaluate the nuances of a bow this way, vs 30 minutes with it at a bow shoot.
Whatever Abe did with this bow, he definitely got it right. I shoot 3-under and this recurve is actually quieter than my longbows...all of them. I don't know how you improve on a really fast, really pretty and really quiet 2-pc takedown static tip recurve. I was so impressed with it; I ordered one almost as soon as I shipped the pass-around bow to the next man in line.
Kevin that bow should pack up nice to take to Alaska to shoot a moose with. Thank you for the review.
David...you're reading me like a book. I'm hoping it arrives soon enough for me to take it to Hawaii next June...and then to Alaska in September. Very excited.
i wish abe's bow was lighter so i could have tried it!!
I'll add another thumbs up for the rer xr. After 30 years of shooting longbows and recurves the xr is the quietest recurve I've ever shot even at 8 or 9 grains per pound it is still quiet. Its plenty quick and forgiving.
I own a RER Vital and a Whippenstick Phoenix in the same drawweight. Both are fantastic bows. I would say they are equally silent, fast and smooth to draw.
My Borders are super quiet... I shoot about 550 gr arrow weight with them at 50-55lbs
Arrow material and proper spine plays a role as well. My aluminum shafts are loud if they are not the right spine no matter what bow I shoot.
I've been shooting FMJs out of my new EagleWing Steppe Eagle and love them. Its the first time I have tried these arrows and I am really impressed with them.
ThreeUnder has a thread about the new Static belly mount Steppe Eagle with lots of pics , check it out.
God bless, Steve
I have bought and traded many bows. I have owned many static tip recurves and have 2 now. I haven't found them to be not that much quieter than other recurves. I have found that some recurves are very loud and difficult to quiet down.
The bows I have and shoot now are very quiet. I found that heterodyning cat whiskers and bow hush will quiet any bow.
I set my recurves up so the top cat whisker is 1/4 down the string and my bottom cat whisker is 1/3 up the string. I take about a 3" to 4" piece of cat whisker, bend it in half and thread it through the string. I serve it in and cut the folded over piece. I didn't think heterodyning would make that much of a difference, but on my bows it works great.
Gil
Tuning, arrow weight and Bow Hush/Hushpuppies is were I would start. My 1962 Bear Kodiak magnum is as quiet as my Howard Hill longbow according to my ears.
My noisiest recurve was an ILF model static.
I'll let you know in a few day's, Kirk shipped my SS out today, I'll compare it to my Bob Lee Ultimate and Blacktail Snakebit, both recurves of course, and let you know the findings. Iwas told to keep a fire extinguisher handy, :saywhat: to put out the arrows
Lucky dog Keith. Envious as my ss build is a ways off.
The max1's I have are pretty quiet, not as quiet as my sasquatch but hunting quiet.
The quietest recurve I ever heard or shot was an Assenheimer which I believe was static. It was not as quiet as some of the longbows I have heard or owned. The quietest bow I have ever heard was a Leon Stewart R/D longbow.
QuoteOriginally posted by Gil Verwey:
The bows I have and shoot now are very quiet. I found that heterodyning cat whiskers and bow hush will quiet any bow.
Gil
gil--can you bring me up to speed on heterodyning?
this is what I got when I googled the term---
-----Heterodyning is a radio signal processing technique invented in 1901 by Canadian inventor-engineer Reginald Fessenden, in which new frequencies are created by combining or mixing two frequencies.[
I bet if you have 4 guys standing 8-10 yds behind you or off to the side, they will tell you how quiet your bow is. The snapping of the limbs upon release are very close to your ears.
I thought my Stealth was a tad "snappy" until my buddies commented how quiet the bow was.
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