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Title: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on March 25, 2013, 04:14:00 AM
Guys I wanted to change the heading so if any newbies wanted to know the difference in what a static bow is they might see the heading and find some imfomation about it....
Now I have noticed more and more Static limb bows on the market and I have had two RER Arroyo's and I think once many folks try one they will like the result's...I'm sure some will beg to differ but if strung correctly I cann't see a reason not to like them...Many bonus to a static to me and one being more quiet and another the less finger pinch...Glad to see them offered now and many more bowyers are adding them ....     :thumbsup:
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Post by: Gator1 on March 25, 2013, 07:27:00 AM
X2

Great limb design quiet and hard hitting
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Post by: Jake Diebolt on March 25, 2013, 07:58:00 AM
Oh man, ever since they started coming up here I've had an itch to get one bad. My wife is starting to look at me funny every time she sees me on the Stalker website...
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Post by: damascusdave on March 25, 2013, 09:42:00 AM
I have two static tip bows...an RER LXR thanks to Mike Vines...and a Jon Gharing take down...anyone else shooting a Gharing?

And btw Jake we have two well known bowyers building static tips in Canada...Jack Kempf is no longer taking orders but his come up on the used market from time to time...and Abe Penner at Cari-Bow has recently started building them as well

DDave
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Post by: Keefer on March 25, 2013, 01:22:00 PM
Just saw Cari-bows new Static thismorning and I know somebody here is about to get one  :goldtooth:  But I won't mention his name and can tell ya it sure ain't me...
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Post by: SERGIO VENNERI on March 25, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
It's a shame that John Fazio is gone , he was way ahead of his time and i attribute the recent resurgence of the static limb and the use of Carbon limbs to him. John and Earl Hoyt  15- 20 years ago told me , what Bowyers are discovering in recent years about using carbon on limbs.  Both are missed!  :notworthy:
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Post by: Sixby on March 25, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
(http://eaglewingarchery.i8.com/images/SEphonlic/SEphenolic1.jpg)

I have been building them for quite a while but in belly mount as the Talon and Talon 11. I also have built quite a few of the Talon 11s in a top mount. The first time I built a Talon and pulled it and shot it I was hooked on statics for life.
It is an amazing experience and I find no problem with them at all as long as you learn how to build a stable static limb and work from there.,
This is my new entry. Stats are at exactly 9 gpp and 28 inch draw this bow consistantly shoots 202 with a Hooter shooter. I fully expect that with some little tweaks here and there it can even go up from there. I especially want to build it in a 62. This is a 58 in bow. Brace is 7 1/4 inches. Super quiet, Super fast and no shock. Whats not to like about statics. I do not see a downside at all. That is why so many bowyers are going to them.

God bless, Steve
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Post by: David Flanrey on March 25, 2013, 03:07:00 PM
Sergio, I hear ya.  I own a Sovereign Archery Ballistik.  Best shooting bow I have ever owned.  I've taken several deer with it.  

I am an amature bow maker but I am in the process of building a 57" static recurve now patterned after my ballistik.  The build along is on bowyers bench.

Keefer, sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread.
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Post by: see on March 25, 2013, 03:23:00 PM
static tip bows are some of the best drawing and smoothest I Have experienced.Kevin at RER bows has some of the best out there.They just flat out shoot great.
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Post by: rlc1959 on March 25, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
I had a friend loan me a set of Border Hex 6 Limbs for my Dalaa Riser. He never got them back. Great shooting bow. Thanks Peckerwood
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Post by: Bowwild on March 25, 2013, 05:16:00 PM
I've never tried one.  Sounds interesting though.
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Post by: steadman on March 25, 2013, 05:32:00 PM
Yea way quiter!! My stalker is light in the hand and quiet!! I think guys are starting to see the benefits for sure  :)
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Post by: Josh Perdue on March 25, 2013, 05:35:00 PM
I just bought a used RER static tip off the classifieds and am looking forward to shooting it. The pics sure looked good. Just hope it shoots good.
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Post by: 30coupe on March 25, 2013, 05:41:00 PM
I have two, an RER and a Dryad. I see nothing that would convince me to go back to a working limb recurve. The statics out perform, are quieter, and have less finger pinch. The RER grip fits me almost as well as my Kanati and both shoot the same arrow setup to the same point of aim, although the RER is 10 FPS faster and one pound heavier in draw weight. My creaky old shoulders like that I can shoot 10 ggp arrows at 184 fps from a 47 pound bow as well.

Static limbs are certainly not a new idea, but we are rediscovering why the old bowyers like Grumley saw in them. My RER is not and will not be for sale.
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Post by: Sixby on March 25, 2013, 05:43:00 PM
Joshua, I saw that bow, I think you got a really great bow and will love it. Congratulations , let us all know what you think.

God bless you all, Steve
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Post by: Keefer on March 25, 2013, 06:37:00 PM
David,
No worries I actually wanted to hear everyones views on the subject and glad you posted it...I have one of the most beutiful Arroyo's I ever seen that I got in a trade from a fella named Tracy last year and the bow was only about a month old and I traded my Fox Royal Crown for it and the newer handle design is much better then my previous one..It's got some wild Bocote in the riser with Bocote vaneers over boo core....
This is my second Arroyo all Bocote and funny thing was I traded my first Arroyo for that Fox Longbow then back for a Newer lighter Arroyo that was made in 2012...I just love the way Kevin and Sue does thier static but just lately have noticed several other bowyers starting to bring back what we all seem to love...
Joshua which one did you get cause there were several listed recently?
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Post by: SERGIO VENNERI on March 25, 2013, 06:47:00 PM
An Arroyo is on my must have list!
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Post by: Gator1 on March 25, 2013, 07:21:00 PM
I've only had a couple statics, and I really like the RER design.  The tighter static has very minimal string contact compared to my first couple.

Not wrapping/padding the loops on these babies...

Serge, you'd like the Arroyo, I'm getting one this summer..
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Gator1 on March 25, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
Josh,

I know the RER you getting, give us a review....

Lucky Dog...  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 25, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
I really like the static bows and that someone is me!! Shawn
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Post by: savage1 on March 25, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
Well I have a bigfoot ss coming, should be here before my next birthday. I have a soveriegn and been making my own form a form I made off of it. Statics rule and I think Kirks is going to the top. I'll have to wait and see how quiet she spits an arrow.

Lou
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Post by: toehead on March 25, 2013, 08:16:00 PM
woudn't trade my ballistick for anything got a set of RER static bear replacement limbs that shoot good as well.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on March 25, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Shawn Leonard:
I really like the static bows and that someone is me!! Shawn
Shawn is He alright and cann't wait to hear how you like it once you get it...She sure is a beutiful one Shawn   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Josh Perdue on March 25, 2013, 10:35:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by Keefer:
David,
No worries I actually wanted to hear everyones views on the subject and glad you posted it...I have one of the most beutiful Arroyo's I ever seen that I got in a trade from a fella named Tracy last year and the bow was only about a month old and I traded my Fox Royal Crown for it and the newer handle design is much better then my previous one..It's got some wild Bocote in the riser with Bocote vaneers over boo core....
This is my second Arroyo all Bocote and funny thing was I traded my first Arroyo for that Fox Longbow then back for a Newer lighter Arroyo that was made in 2012...I just love the way Kevin and Sue does thier static but just lately have noticed several other bowyers starting to bring back what we all seem to love...
Joshua which one did you get cause there were several listed recently?
I got the XR Recurve from Jake on here. 60" 53@28 I dont have it yet but am anxiously waiting. HaHa
Ill let you guys know what I think about it but Im not sure my review would be worth much weight. Have only been shooting trad a couple of years but really like it.
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Post by: Bowhunter4life on March 26, 2013, 12:04:00 AM
I love the static limbs on the Kwyk Styk... Jack is in the process of making a riser for a set of limbs I had... Should be done next month.  I have a real pretty one that used to be yours Shawn... It is now 58# @ 28" so 64# or so at my draw.  The other one will be a tad heavier with the "Guru" grip...

The string angle makes for much less finger pinch esp on a 56" bow.  Plus it is about as close to shooting a longbow as I've shot from a recurve.  Smooth, quiet, and quick... hard to beat IMO...
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Post by: katman on March 26, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
Looking forward to trying Kirks new big foot ss. Never shot a static before, Will be interesting to compare it to the hex5.
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Post by: TRAD101 on March 26, 2013, 02:05:00 PM
I had never shot one before this years wisconsin
traditional archers banquet where kevin from RER
was set up with quite a selection of bows. I
decided to try one out that caught my eye and I
have to say I was impressed, my wife even said wow
before I did. smooth,quiet,fast and accurate.just
as we were leaving the parking lot I said to my
wife I gotta have that bow and she agreed.I have not unstrung it yet. I love my wife.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Sixby on March 26, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
You guys getting Kirks bows are going to love them. I have one and really like it. They are just super quick and talk about dead in the hand. MIne is very light in weight. Burl Maple riser but it is as dead in hand as any target bow I have ever shot.

God bless you all, Steve
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Post by: pamike on March 26, 2013, 09:33:00 PM
Steve

Are the static limbs faster on the storm eagle or the talon (belly mount)?

Mike
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Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 26, 2013, 09:45:00 PM
Jeff, if ya ever want to let it go, please give me first dibs!! Thanks! Shawn
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Post by: Sixby on March 26, 2013, 10:59:00 PM
Mike , I have not designed the Storm Eagle limbs yet for the belly mount. I will try to get it to be as fast as the top mount but only time will tell. The Talon 11 is not quite as fast as this bow. My Talon 1 was but in lower poundages it was not as stable as I liked it/ Shot great and was really fast but was verticaly challenged under 45 lbs/' This is a real problem with many statics but it can be overcome with a whole bunch of r and d work. I have already built this bow under 40 lbs and it had really great stability both verticaly and horizontaly.  I already have the Talon 11 in a belly mount static recurve that has a low 7 to 7 1/4 brace and has quite a following so I'm not in a real hurry to build another set of forms for this limb yet.

God bless, Steve
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Post by: Shawn Leonard on March 27, 2013, 07:33:00 PM
A little bummed right now, I talked to Abe and was gonna buy an in stock bow but had a bit of bad luck.    :bigsmyl:  Sometimes bad is good!! His new Tuktu EX recurve is the cats ass! I am going all out on this one as it will be my last bow. Time to settle down to 3 static tipped bows, Belcher with Border Hex-5's an RER XR and the new Caribow!! I will have my new bow around the end of Sept.!! Love those static bows!! Shawn
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Post by: Gator1 on March 27, 2013, 08:42:00 PM
Ok Shawn details on the new caribou

1 piece or takedown

Wood combo?????
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Post by: savage1 on March 27, 2013, 08:43:00 PM
For the Wisconsin guys, it sounds like I might have my Bigfoot in time for the Ojibwa shoot. I have to get off work for Saturday. If I have it I will make it available as time allows.(sat. only)Working sunday.

Lou
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Post by: rbcorbitt on March 27, 2013, 08:46:00 PM
Lou,

Make sure you do a review once you get the SS in your hands!

Bob
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Post by: Keefer on March 27, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
Sorry to hear that Shawn I know ya had your eyes on a nice one but now you will have a part in the build so start dreaming of what wood match's what limb vaneer and so on...Some sort of antler always sets off a bow as well...  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Josh Perdue on March 28, 2013, 11:59:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by jshperdue:
I just bought a used RER static tip off the classifieds and am looking forward to shooting it. The pics sure looked good. Just hope it shoots good.
WOW is about all I have to say after shooting a static tip. Finally found a recurve I like as much or "maybe" more than my longbow. The most quiet recurve Ive ever shot. As quiet as my whip.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Gator1 on March 29, 2013, 06:36:00 AM
I figured you'd like that bow

  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on March 29, 2013, 06:55:00 AM
Joshua,
Welcome to the "STATIC" club and if you ever need to figure out where to start with arrow spine,tip weight,legnth may I recommend you p.,m Shawn Leonard cause he has had a few RER Arroyo's and the takedowns and knows what these "Missle Launchers" like best and has pointed me in the direction of what can work on mine..
Congratulations on a bow I think you will find very pleasing to shoot!
                  Keefers <><
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Post by: savage1 on March 29, 2013, 10:09:00 AM
I like that,"Static club." Maybe some day down the line we can talk hunting trips..
I will choose arrows for the SS and see what I get off fingers.
Like Kenny says, milage will vary. I shoot carbons so it will not be much over 600 gr. on the heavy side and down to around 440gr. on the light side.
I know its a wait Shawn but it will be a looker I'm sure!

Lou
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Post by: SERGIO VENNERI on March 29, 2013, 11:32:00 AM
You have all probably seen this one before. My Kempf Raven W/static limbs. I've named it " Death Vader" ! This Bow is a Hotrod!! (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x132/recurvehunter_2007/_GTO4134.jpg)   :archer2:
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Post by: Dmaxshawn on March 29, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by SERGIO VENNERI:
You have all probably seen this one before. My Kempf Raven W/static limbs. I've named it " Death Vader" ! This Bow is a Hotrod!!  (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x132/recurvehunter_2007/_GTO4134.jpg)    :archer2:  
This is the last time I'm going to ask to stop teasing me with this Bow !!! my name is up on his list  for the third time.   Your killing me Sergio
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Post by: johnnyk71 on March 29, 2013, 03:20:00 PM
i got a used Sheepeater Spirit recently, and I LOVE that thing! only about 48" strung, 50# at 28". it THUMPS an arrow, and shoots just where I point it. cannot wait to hunt deer with it next year.

i'm a big fan of static tips now.
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Post by: Teacher_of_the_Arcane on March 29, 2013, 03:43:00 PM
Hi All,

So an Asiatic horsebow with sayah's would be  a static limbed bow??
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Post by: SERGIO VENNERI on March 29, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
OOPS! Sorry Shawn , I will not do this again! LOL  :knothead:
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Post by: Bowwild on March 29, 2013, 05:11:00 PM
That bow was shockingly cool looking the first time I saw it!  Either you are using the same picture or that bow isn't aging a bit!  Some of us do the same thing with personal pictures for decades!
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Post by: SERGIO VENNERI on March 29, 2013, 06:13:00 PM
Will try and post a new Pic over this weekend. it now sports a fresh dull satin finish and traditional black Glass limbs in 58" length with a new wedge fadeout design.   :thumbsup:
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Post by: trubltrubl on March 29, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
have just recieved my first custom made Static recurve this week....posted on Alberta forum pics included...under ...."new bow WOW "
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Post by: Keefer on March 30, 2013, 06:48:00 AM
t.t.t. for Kevin ..
Kevin I'll see if I can get Tracy Byington to post pics of the static RER Arroyo I got in a trade from him last year so keep an eye open here....
Keefers<><
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Post by: longbow565 on March 30, 2013, 09:56:00 PM
Here are some pics of Keefers Arroyo. Enjoy
 (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694825.JPG) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694825.JPG)
 (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694859.JPG) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694859.JPG)
 (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694890.JPG) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694890.JPG)
 (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694928.JPG) (http://images.imagelinky.com/1364694928.JPG)
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Post by: Keefer on March 31, 2013, 04:56:00 AM
Thanks a million times Tracy for posting those for me and I do appreciate you taking the time to do so...This really does show you Kevin what a static limb looks like when unstrung and strung...This is a really sweet pulling bow and my second Arroyo ....Funny story is I had a 2005 model all Bocote that was the 5th Arroyo Kevin and Sue built and it was 52# and I wanted a few pounds shaved off and never sent it to him and traded it for a Fox Royal Crown...A few months later Tracy posted this Arroyo at 50'#s in 2012 as a one month old bow and I traded Tracy the Fox Crown for it...This bow was made in March or April of 2012 and still as new as the day it was made...It has some really nice Bocote over boo and will stay in my stable for years...Thanks again Tracy   :thumbsup:
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Post by: Sixby on March 31, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
(http://eaglewingarchery.i8.com/images/BKsBow/sixby_4101.jpg)

Early EagleWing Talon, Note the string angle. This is a short bow , 58 in if I remember correctly but has the string angle of a much longer bow. this virtually eliminates finger pinch and produces a very smooth draw cycle in a much shorter bowl; This bow also has an advantage over siyah or lever static bows in that it has much less limb slap and is physically a couple inches shorter for the same length of bow. The lever sticks straight out instead of bobbing the ends of the limbs;

God bless, Steve
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Post by: Keefer on April 01, 2013, 07:14:00 AM
Sixby ,
I once saw a diagram of the string angle of a working recurve and the string angle of a static recurve and that diagram showed the difference on how the fingers were on the string from both...
I have tried to find that diagram with no luck but it shows how the fingers especially split shooters benefit from finger pinch...
Would be nice if someone had a diagram explaining the string angle and post it here..
Another question Sixby or to whomever builds statics does the riser need to be more forward or is there any difference in how you need to make the riser or is the difference mainly in the limb design and tip buildup?
I'm in a learning mode of statics for some reason and need a teacher  :biglaugh:
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Post by: Keefer on April 01, 2013, 07:20:00 AM
Steve,
I almost forgot somethin...I like the way you tought your German Sheperd to stay behind you while shooting...I like a well trained shepert but a Cat seems to use up at least 8 out of 9 lives when I'm shooting? Ours just seems to walk out in front of me every time I practice  :rolleyes:    :jumper:
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Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on April 04, 2013, 01:07:00 AM
Here is and exaggerated drawing for you Keefer.

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/FingersvsHook.gif)

here is the real thing.  The new "Sasquatch SS"

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202013/Sasquatch%20SS/Testfulldraw6228.jpg)

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202013/Sasquatch%20SS/IMAG1053.jpg)

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/IMAG1159-2.jpg)

(http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/IMAG1162-3.jpg)
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Post by: Sixby on April 04, 2013, 01:17:00 AM
Keefer,m That is not me nor my german shepherd. I do like that picture though and love the intenseness of that dog.

Kirk that is just one swsome bow. In fact that rack of bows looks almost as good as a fine rack of ribs.

God bless you all, Steve
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Post by: pamike on April 04, 2013, 09:55:00 AM
Steve - looks like one of those belly mounts made the rack....soooo pretty!  i am going to shoot kirk's bows in baltimore - cant wait!
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Post by: coaster500 on April 04, 2013, 12:44:00 PM
I sent my deposit to Kirk for a build for these ailing shoulders. I've been told that the next step is total joint replacement on both (Cartilage in socket is gone and arthritis has moved in) Right now I shoot 45/50 for very short sessions......

I'm trying to shoot as long as I can so I'm looking for the miracle bow.

Sooooth as silk, ZERO shock, able to break the sound barrier at a single pluck at a 40@27 specs(probably going to have two sets of limbs 40/45@27) ....  Not asking much right     :)    

Kidding aside, how light in draw weight can you make the static limbs? David raised the question buy stating there might be stability issues? Also at my 26/27 inch draw (depends on the day). Is there and advantage to static design?

As my name moves up the build list I'll be talking with Kirk a bunch, just thought there might be some feedback from other shooter using the static design.
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Post by: Sixby on April 04, 2013, 03:29:00 PM
I've built several of the Talon 11 top mounts in under 40 lb weights with no problems at all. I forsee no real problems in doing so with either Kirks SS  or the Storm Eagle.

I am sending Pa MIke a 40 lb Storm Eagle to try out so he can see if he likes this type of bow and when I get it back and finish it will have it up for sale as a stock bow.
God bless you all, Steve
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Post by: Keefer on April 04, 2013, 05:26:00 PM
Kirk,
Thanks that was the pic I was looking for..
That Black static looks wicked Kirk..Is that one called the "Black Beast" or the WilderBeast? I cann't tell what type of wood is in that bow but I thought I could see some wood grain in it..Not Black Ebony is it? The static looks nice in it  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Cari-bow on April 04, 2013, 06:32:00 PM
Kirk
Exaggeration!! Is that a stretching string on that longbow!!!LOL
Or is it just 8-12" to long.
Abe
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Post by: BuckeyeGuy on April 04, 2013, 07:41:00 PM
Nice bows, Kirk.  That 1 piece is sweet.  Now I want a static nice work guys!!
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Post by: BuckeyeGuy on April 04, 2013, 07:44:00 PM
Dang Abe, yours are looking good too!
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Post by: skychief on April 04, 2013, 09:48:00 PM
Glad to be following this thread.   I am interested in a static in the future too.

Many of my questions have been answered in this thread.   Thanks to all that have contributed!

Best regards, Skychief.
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Post by: skychief on April 04, 2013, 09:51:00 PM
Can anybody list most of the bowyers that are making statics please.

I see some first names here, but, don't know what manufacturer they are associated with.

Thanks, Skychief.
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Post by: rbcorbitt on April 05, 2013, 06:06:00 AM
In no particular order, here are some of the bowyers:

Big Foot Bows - Kirk
Eagle Wing - Steve
Cari-Bow - Abe
Stalker Stickbows - South Cox
RER - Kevin
Dryad Bows - Mike

There are many more quality bowyers as well who produce quality static tips, but these are the ones that come to my mind this early in the AM     :coffee:      :)
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Post by: Keefer on April 05, 2013, 05:30:00 PM
One I never knew of and I am waiting to hear from is Black Canyon?
1/4 Away Fred Cioffi/coffee,coufin,callfee somethin other just sent me some pics the other day of a Black Canyon bow and I am no expert but that bow looked Static to me..He's actually waiting to hear from them...Sorry Fred if I spelt the last name wrong   :laughing:
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Post by: skychief on April 05, 2013, 08:21:00 PM
Thanks rbcorbitt.....that sure helps!
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Post by: SAVIOUR68 on April 05, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Heres some gas on the fire guys, static limb verse super curve limb ?
IMO I would classify super curve Morrison Max 1, Dryad , Border Hex series.
Others listed above IMO are true static.
Which cast a arrow quicker and is more efficient ?
I have shot lots of bows through a chrono and I know which have shot the quickest for me.
The quest continues !
  :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on April 05, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
Now let's see who's brave enougth to add more lighter fluid to the fire and post your working limb forms against the static forms to show the difference of the curve... Any takers that want to share or is this asking too much like what is the ingrediants to make your secret "Barbeque sauce"?  Only share if you dare fella's    :rolleyes:


   Maybe I should of named this title the "Static Fanatic's"  :jumper:
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: skychief on April 05, 2013, 10:19:00 PM
Pass the popcorn!  :clapper:
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: johnnyk71 on April 05, 2013, 11:01:00 PM
(http://i952.photobucket.com/albums/ae9/johnnyyourmomma/static_zps249b3e18.jpg)

my Sheepeater Spirit. 50# @ 28", about 48" strung. weighs only about 18 ounces and hits like a ton of bricks. I will definitely be hunting with it this fall.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on April 06, 2013, 06:39:00 AM
Johny,
You can really see it in that bow...
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: johnnyk71 on April 06, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
yeah, that's why I posted that pic. thought y'all would like to see the crazy string profile. and I wasn't even quite at full draw when the pic was taken. absolutely no stack or finger pinch at all.

I really, really like this little bow.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: katman on April 06, 2013, 04:47:00 PM
Saviour68, I just had a conversation with Sid at Borders on the hex series,
"not all hex limbs are the same.
The hex5 is more a semi working limb while the hex6 is more on the working side of the pendulum"

Borders have been the quickest I have had, not had a chance to shoot Dryad's or Morrison's, looking forward to Kirk's static.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: SAVIOUR68 on April 06, 2013, 05:52:00 PM
katman I have shot Hex 6's side by side with Morrison Max-1s that were within a 1 pound difference between them. That extra pound of weight was on the Hex 6 favor and the Max 1 shot the same speed and I prefer the draw on the Max 1 better. That being said Kirk and several other bowyers have some very very strong contenders in there static design. I have not shot the Dryads yet but they look very good also, with very good reviews. That being said I will keep/spend my money on USA made products and that is not to take anything away from over sea's products.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: SAVIOUR68 on April 06, 2013, 06:03:00 PM
That being said what would you guys think about a TradGang WTT, all bows tested on the same equipment at the same time under a controlled settings, no smoke or mirrors can hide the results. There may be some people eattin crow after the sun sets though. I think Kirk has the set up already for testing if someone could put it together. That being said I would bet that there will be a longbow near the top in the results. I would like to see these include production bows only that you or I can purchase from the bowyers, no hotrod bows that last 200 shots then blowup.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Sixby on April 06, 2013, 08:04:00 PM
I would be in and it would be a stock bow. I would be willing to bet that the top five would be within margin of error of each other. I have a feeling that some of those that are really highly touted would be down the list and others that don't have much following at all would be at the top. It sure would be interesting and Kirk has the integrity and the equipment plus he could actually vidio every bow setup and shot so that there would be no bias or complaining going on. What would be most interesting to me would be who would actually be willing to do it. I think it would take some serious thought before you would put your reputation on the line. Like real faith in your product.

Now if we could add to the speed thing a quietness test and slo mo vidio of limb action on the shot things could get real interesting. Oh and quality of fit and finish while we are at it by a panel of qualified unbiased experts. HMMMMMM Oh well I have a feeling we better forget it lol.

Anyway,. Lord willing I would do it just for the opportunity to have another shot at Kirks SS. Haha

God bless you all, Steve
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: pamike on April 06, 2013, 09:02:00 PM
It would be interesting to see how many bowyers would actually be willing to play in that sandbox. Bet most would not cause the truth would be told. I think there are alot of over rated bows when it comes to the speed category. Compound bows have been head to head tested in many magazines.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Shawn Leonard on April 06, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Remember guys, speed does not kill, quiet really helps and stability really helps as it makes for a more accurate bow. It is still the hunter getting close and very littl to do with the bow. That said I would like to see a head to head test on the statics, like Border, Caribow, Bigfoot, RER  and and a couple oldies, I have a Bear Grizzly dogleg(1963) that has performed within a few FPS.of some of the ones mentioned. I would love to try one of Sixby's bows, but funds are short right now. I really like Bigfoots design as it is a bit different than a lot of the other statics out there. Shawn
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: HMlongbow on April 07, 2013, 10:33:00 AM
Kirk and Sixby
I would be willing to give it a shot.  I have seen your numbers and bows and wouldn't mind seen how my static stacks up.
Thanks
Hitman Custom Static
Dave
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: SAVIOUR68 on April 07, 2013, 10:44:00 AM
The thing I like about these statics that are most seem to be a all wood/glass limb which saves big $$$$ verse $200-300 upgrade for double/triple carbon foam limbs. All super curves I have seen are all carbon with either foam/wood core to get the torsional stability needed so the don't do the flop on you. Looks like there are going to be some more bowyers interested in this testing and I think in the end all will gain from the experience in a positive way.
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on April 07, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
Shawn,
Remember to post a pic of that "EX STATIC"...I won't take your thunder away but I'll be watching this everyday ...Hey Shawn I found the profile today and all I can say is WOW I wish I was in your shoes in a couple of days..Can you video the celebration and the tears when she is delivered? Someone has got to have the knowhow to post it for ya...Grab a seat everyone and don't take your eyes off of Shawn...He's hiding something....I can sense it like a sixth sense....  :campfire:
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Flying Dutchman on April 07, 2013, 02:47:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by hitmanlongbows:
Kirk and Sixby
I would be willing to give it a shot.  I have seen your numbers and bows and wouldn't mind seen how my static stacks up.
Thanks
Hitman Custom Static
Dave
I wasn't aware you made statics?? They are not on your site are they???
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Rick Richard on April 07, 2013, 03:34:00 PM
My Morrison Phoenix with MAX1 limbs.

(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i458/jdrichardjr/Phoenix/f89430c6cc163161d72e31fcc028da07_zps84d5d5fd.jpg)
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: HMlongbow on April 08, 2013, 04:21:00 PM
I am starting to offer the statics now after a year or so of RD with them.  They are a bit to build but now have them where I like the way they shoot.  They are smooth and fast w/ no hand shock as everyone has been stating.  They have a great cast to them and similiar to the longbow style limbs that I offer.  They fit my longbow risers so that you have options of either sets of limbs or both in one bow.
Dave
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Bowshot on April 23, 2013, 08:48:00 PM
I just had coffee with Jack Kempf, he is still taking orders
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: CJ Pearson on April 23, 2013, 09:39:00 PM
Ok, I have heard  that the static limbs basically do not unfold when they are drawn back. I have a Horne recurve and I believe they are considered a semi-static limb tip. Someone shared with me they unfolded kind of odd when the bow was drawn back. Can someone explain a semi & full static recurve and the advantages of each?
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: rjackson on April 23, 2013, 09:42:00 PM
Sergio is right. My Raven with static limbs is a HOTROD too.
Jack got it right with this bow.

Hope all is well with ya Sergio.

Randy
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on April 23, 2013, 09:58:00 PM
My nephew brought me an old PSE and asked what i could do about putting some RC limbs on it. So i thought I'd give it a try here... i had a pair of prototype limbs for my new static tip i bolted on there for him.....Hey! the dad burn thing shoots pretty decent too.  :D  

She came out 66" length 47@28" and draws like butter to 31"  :D  

 (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/IMAG1437.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/kirkll/media/IMAG1437.jpg.html)

 (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/IMAG1436.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/kirkll/media/IMAG1436.jpg.html)

 (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/IMAG1430.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/kirkll/media/IMAG1430.jpg.html)

Micheal works at a place that does laser cutting and made a lettering template for the limbs i tried out too...

 (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/IMAG1431.jpg) (http://s171.photobucket.com/user/kirkll/media/IMAG1431.jpg.html)
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: CJ Pearson on April 23, 2013, 10:18:00 PM
Ok, I have heard  that the static limbs basically do not unfold when they are drawn back. I have a Horne recurve and I believe they are considered a semi-static limb tip. Someone shared with me they unfolded kind of odd when the bow was drawn back. Can someone explain a semi & full static recurve and the advantages of each?
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on April 23, 2013, 11:55:00 PM
A semi static recurve limb holds it's shape in the recurve portion of the limb until the tail end of the draw, then opens up slightly... Some of them open up a little bit at a time through the course of the whole draw cycle....

A true static tip RC holds the shape of the recurve tip all the way through the draw cycle..... This provides more leverage, a better looking DFC chart, and better string angle, and.... It stores most of the energy in a shorter portion of the limbs over all length.

The static tip limbs are typically quieter than a standard RC because the string rolls back up on the hook without string slap commonly associated with a working recurve limb....a bit more preload at brace has a bit to do with that too.

I need to get some high speed video taken on  these new SS limbs.

I would be very interested in some feed back myself on the advantages of a semi static tip RC, over a static tip limb....i couldn't give you one myself....
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: beendare on April 24, 2013, 01:26:00 AM
I tried a buddies bow with the Border Hex 6's and they were just amazing. I wanted to stay in USA so I ordered a set of Bob Morrisons Max limbs last week and just got a call they will be done on Saturday. You can't beat that for a quick turn around
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Gator1 on May 11, 2013, 09:49:00 PM
TTT,

My Arroyo is getting sprayed as we speak... Thanks to Keefer's review and pics, I'm having a matching Arroyo for my XR.

Zircote and Black Limba....

Tick Tock....
Title: Re: More" Static" about Static?
Post by: Keefer on May 12, 2013, 04:48:00 PM
Mitch,
That's what Tradgang friends are for and I cann't wait to see this Beuty...  :thumbsup: