Trad Gang

Here is the other dozen I am working on right now of my heavy hitting hog arrows.  I changed these a little for the original 4 to get a little more weight and a lighter spine.  I have six mounted with heads right now, but have to wait on some more inserts to do the rest.  I will get the nocks cut in and then sealed good (will gain a few more grains) and then fletched.  These will come in over or close to 800 grains.
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And the high to low proof.
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yikes! I really like the look of those. How hard is it to keep the shafts straight over time?

:thumbsup:    :thumbsup:

Once tempered Dwarf, it takes a lot to get them out of shape.  And that is as long as you are using second year growth bamboo/cane.  Once I get them straight and sealed, they will stay that way, a lot better and longer than wood, for me at least.

 With that said, my cane and bamboo arrows will take me more than a week to do a dozen, just on the straightening.  Very time consuming, but well worth it in the long run.

Question, how have those inserts worked out for you? I made some bamboo arrows for a friend. I bought the inserts from 3 Rivers. I found the tail part to be weak. They broke off while I was tapering them.

M60 I am not sure what inserts you are speaking of.  What these have up front is a Gold Tip 100 grain brass insert that has been inleted so to speak in the shaft, with a broad head adapter and the broad head.  Or are you talking about the nock insert that I have in them?

Here is a picture of basically what I am using up front.
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Ok, I am confused. In your pictures it looks like you have wood inserts in the tip section of the boo shaft. I see now what you did. What I am talking about are wood inserts that have a tail that fit into the shaft. They are made for the tip and nock ends of the shaft. I do like your idea better but my friend wanted to use glue on broad heads so I ended up gluing bamboo skewers in the shaft. Then used my wood chuck tapering tool to make the tapers. He was going to hunt Crocs.

I got you.  If I am just using the glue on broad heads, I also insert a dowel of the right size into the point end of the cane and then taper them just as I would a wood shaft.  You can see my plugs in the end of the nocks, where I am going to cut in self nocks on these, but could taper them just like wood shaft and use a glue on nock.

Another alternative is to use the glue in point inserts with the point taper on them up into the cane.  You can buy those for most any size aluminum shafts and do them that way, and get a little more weight forward as well.  If you need, I can get you a picture of them.

Also 3R has the brass ones to glue in that are 100 grains I believe.


Just for your info, on these cane, I first drill a 3/16 inch hole in the center, and then drill down into the cane about 1/4" with a 1/4" bit for the collar of the insert to rest against.  And when you put sinew and some shrink tubing at the end, it will not move, no matter what bone you hit..

Thanks for info. I know the inserts you are talking about for glue on heads. Have some hear from arrows from long ago. I might try some boo arrows when I get the time and I can find some decent shafts. I know they are tough.

Is this what you guys are talking about for inserts for glue on heads?  I call them glue in/glue on inserts! LOL

I believe they come in 3 weights... but am most familiar with 100 gr. and 125 gr.

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Stringstreacher, I'm still confused ... what are the white collars at the end of your shaft made of?

Gunner,

Till Charlie gets back, might this be an answer t o your question in what he wrote above?

I also insert a dowel of the right size into the point end of the cane and then taper them just as I would a wood shaft. You can see my plugs in the end of the nocks, where I am going to cut in self nocks on these,

The white collar looking things you see on the ends of each piece of bamboo is no more than white masking tape.  I put this around the shaft when I have to drill or taper into it.  If you don't do this, the cane/bamboo will split on you every time.  This keeps it from splitting.

Dang, Charlie...even your taping is so perfect it looks like it's something different...mine never come out that prefect!

You must not be closing your eyes just right Doc??          

Well I got 10 out of the dozen that I was working on because two of them just do not want to become arrows.  I now have all the nocks cut in, the sinew wrapped at the nock and the points, and will now do the shrink tubing and put a finish on these and fletch them up.  I will get some pictures up when they are finished.

WOW!!

I've never seen cane arrows that serious before.  Looks like you sure know what you are doing.

What spine are they?

Terry, these shafts all started at 110 lbs to get them to work with the amount of weight I have up front.  All of these will weight in between 750 and 800 grains when finished....lol.  Just the wind from them should knock the pigs down... I got to shoot the first four that I made up, and at 20 yards they will shot as good as any other arrow material that I have ever used, and a whole lot tougher.

Here is the result of taking the time and making these cane work.  The proof is always in the spin.  This is the worst spinning arrow of the ten that I am now making.  Hard to believe a piece of grass can become this.  Enjoy

 http://youtu.be/0-lBvaRE-OQ

It took me awhile to get the spin going because I was holding the camera with one hand and trying to film it while spinning with the other....phew....lol.

Here are the results of these 10.  I had one that came in light and that will get used for more testing.  Here are the six with the broad heads that Matt G sent me.  If you look at the weights on these six, there is a spread of 46 grains high to low
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The other heads that I had laying around, I ended up with one light and three good with a spread of 37 grains high to low.
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Here is the ten waiting to get a finish put on, and fletched up.  I should get another 20 to 30 grains with that.
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Wow.  I've got a lot to learn.

Thanks everyone.  I have been very very fortunate to have learned from the master of cane arrows along with some other great teachers..  And I assure you, there is no one to come close to his arrows.  This is not saying that there are not other great arrow made everyone, it is just the attention to detail and being able to make any combination to work, is unmatched form his arrow work.  If you ever get to see one or some of Art. Butners arrows, you will know immediately.

All I can say is those are the most impressive set of arrows I have ever seen, bar none!! Way to cool, that is truly an art form!! Thanks for the post, very cool!! Shawn

Those are some nice arrows String'.  Nice attention to detail.  I've been shooting my 780g poplar warbow arrows out of the 71# static recurve I just got with some STOS broadheads attached and they are flying like accurized freight trains.  I have trouble pulling them out of the bag target shot from 20 yds, and I'm a 6'2'' 250 firefighter.  I've got the same purpose in mind for mine.  This is what those hogs deserve.  Good luck with the piggies, you've certainly got me curious about cane   :)

Thanks again for the kind words.  Cane is not only fun to work with, but very rewarding in the end when it all comes together.

I just got around to doing a test on the FOC on the heavy cane arrows.  They come in at 23.9130434783 FOC.  That is a little extreme for a tapered arrow.  So I am going to work with some other point weights and lengths to get what I want and call them done.

Strigstretcher, Man are you ever committed   :  :thumbsup:I like your ideas    Keep up the good work.

Well everyone, sometimes what we think will work and does, does not always come together.  I could not get the cane to show weak enough to shoot them out of the one osage self bow I was shooting.  So this morning, having not having any thing else to make the up front weights higher, I started looking again through my old stuff.  Awh...found a couple dozen of my old 2213 glue in broad head adapters....I just wonder?????

Well if you start with these
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And you add some lead
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And then some fire
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You will get these
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The good thing about these is you can remove weight or add weight with the lead to get what you want.  These adapters weigh exactl 205 grains with a 145 grain point for a total of 350 up front.  And here are the high and lows of 4 arrows.
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Well everyone these are finished and ready to be shot at anything I feel like for the most part.  They would not work out of my osage self bow that I was trying to make these for, but I went and got an osage/fiberglass bow I had made a couple years ago, same poundage and draw length, and these things shot so nice.  This bow does have fast flight on it so that helps as well to weaken the shaft.  As a matter of fact, I first had the 160 grain points on there for a total of 365 up front and they were too weak for this bow.  I changed them to the 145 and bingo.  I now have four cane that are EFOC and weigh a lot, to hunt with.

I thank everyone for the comments and suggestions along this journey.  Just remember, if you really want to, you can do the very same things with materials that mother nature provided with a little help, as you can with other products.  Have fun, and shoot em straight.

I guess they are ok. What's wrapped around the shaft behind the broad head, masking tape to hold em together ole boy..   :laughing:

Actually yes there you ole coot you.  I use the masking tape on the ends so they don't split when I drill them.  And the black looking stuff is shrink wrap that I put over the real sinew to keep some moisture out and help protect the ends behind the broad head as well.

Oh, so you are making a real high tech primitive arrow then?:)LMAO Ole Boy.. Very nice though, but I have a feeling that shrink wrap is gonna hold moisture under there....

That is very possible.  It was just a thought and something to try.  I was thinking more along the lines of protecting the sinew from long wet rainy days.  But hey, most of the time, I am inside on those kind of days....aren't we?????..LOL

And these Roy, are way beyond high tech.  No one in their right mind could engineer something like these...lol

Someone's gonna have a bad day

17 yard shot with one warm up round.  I think I got them
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Ya still have my address ole timer? :)

Yep, I got it...

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