I am interested in attempting to organize a traditional club in the Olathe area with the main attention on having a 3-D range to shoot at. If anyone is interested please contact me. I do have one question, has Kansas every had a Traditional archery/bowhunter organization?
Sorry for the confusion. If you notice my location states Williamston, NC. I forgot to update my profile.I relocated to Kansas in December.
Kansas Bowhunters include both wheely bow guys and stickbow guys, good group, but not all traditional. There are a few traditional shoots in the Kansas City area, both Kansas and Missouri.
I would be interested in a local club. I am located in Lenexa.
Thanks Irish. When I get responses from a few more I will try to get everyone together.
You already know I am interested. Thanks, Ben
I would definitely be interested. I live ten minutes from the Nocking Point but don't know of any clubs any where close. Olathe is not that far from Nortonville maybe an hour.
Brian
I think a trad-club in this area would be great. I know a couple other guys who would also be very interested and thankfull. I live in Kansas City, Kansas about a qaurter mile from Cabelas.
There is the club in Topeka that has a trad only shoot in June.I think it would be nice to have something in the Johnson County area too.I'm NW of JO cty and NE of Topeka.
Keep coming boys, we're going to have a club if this keeps up.
Sounds good to Me also so count Me in the group. I live in Overland Park, Kansas. And yes Kansas has the Kansas Bowhunters Association, Iam one of there Members....ONE SHOT... :) :) :)
PS: I think Dave Bulla also still lives in Kansas City, Mo., but I haven't seen Him post lately. He is a member of Trad Gang also.
I'm definitely in! I'm in Wichita right now for the physician assistant program, but I'm originally from Louisburg and will be moving back that way. Louisburg is about 20 minutes Southeast of Olathe. Traditional Bowhunter magazine lists a couple traditional clubs in the Kansas area-one in Scranton and one in Wellington. I've tried contacting both of the guys listed, but no luck from either. My family has a pretty good chunk of land in the Mound City area (Linn County) that I would be interested in making available for target shooting and especially forming a traditional club that would get kids interested in traditional archery. Lots of wide open spaces and timber. Only problem is I'm gonna be here for another year and a half!
That is a very generous offer PrarieHawk. :wavey:
You can count Me in also. I can see the back side of Tri- County rod & gun club from My front door, but a trad only club would be great to belong to. Keep me posted. bretto
Thanks for the kind words Paul. I have been thinking that this needs to happen for some time now. Very good idea by recurve rick. I'll be interested to see this project come to life!
Thanks for the offer on the land in Mound City PrairieHawk. I was hoping for something closer to Olathe. I wonder why there is not a Kansas traditional association. With the response we are getting here that may be something to look into also. I would love to see a get together like they have at Denton Hill, Pa. I was there a couple of years ago and it was amazing, thousands of people and some of the top vendors in the tradtional word.
Well recurve,(can I call ya recurve?)...
Here in Kansas folks get kind of spread out once you get out of the Olathe/KC region so that can be a factor.Another is that we are central to trad shoots in other surrounding states.The shoot in Topeka pulls folks in and has a good crowd.MacaLaster down in OK and MOJAM are also in our region.As to finding land to shoot on closer to Olathe...lot of building going on around there so west or south to find range room I think.
The good thing is that there are more folks in your area to "swell the ranks" so to speak.You are on the right track and I commend your interest in this.
Best regards,
Paul
Count me in too, I live close to the Platte City area.
Neven
Just putting this bad on the top of the list
I think there used to be a small archery range at Hillsdale lake a while back. Might talk to the Park people about the possibility of setting up a range there. They have a radio control airfield there that is run by a club.
Dennis
I would be glad to help also,I have two sons that shoot tradbows and several friends around here that come shoot at my house.
Keep us posted :archer:
Tracy
I would be interested also.
I may be interested also. I'm on the MO side out in Lee's Summit.
I just posted an ad on Craigslist under sports asking if anyone had a couple of acres that they would be interest in letting a traditional archery club start a range on and even lease if needed. I will post if I hear anything. Also, maybe everyone that is interested could get together sometime in the near future.
Looking forward to getting something started, good job Ricky!!
Thanks Irish, I really hope we can get something going. Shooting with other traditional people is great. Acouple of years ago I went to the big gathering at Denton Hill, Pa with my girls and it was a blast and the people were great. In the past I had been to a few compound shoots and the people were not a friendly. At Denton Hill I had people on the ranges handing me bows and arrows to try, that was great.
For everyone that is interested I would like for you to send me your name, phone number and email address if you do not mind. I would like to start a list of those interested.
Message sent,Keep up the good work :)
Tracy
Message sent
Just sent ya an e mail.Glad to see all the interest in this :thumbsup:
I'm in. Just sent the e-mail. Brian, how did the first day go? I passed on a 6 and 8 this morning. Didn't see a single doe.
KC, I only went out in the afternoon. Should have went in the morning since it was so cool out. I had three turkeys come in. One gobbler and two jakes, but they wouldn't come closer than 50yds. I was only out 30min when they came in. Then I had three coons come in. The two young ones ran up a log beside me and were only arrows length away before I flinched at them. If I would have been sitting in my chair they would have been on top of my head.LOL
Saw two small does walking out.
Bump to the top, and I am in. Jeff from Spring Hill, KS.
I just got off the phone with the Hillsdale Lake Park Manager. He is very interested in having a group of guys start a traditional archery range at the lake. The cost to lease an area is about $500 per year with a few other requirements. The club would be open to the public, but a visiter would have to pay $5 for a one day pass and would only be able to shoot at the range for one day, after that they would be required to join the club. He also was interested in having the range work with a new Hunter Safety Program on occation. He wa also interested in the club hosting shoots during the year. If you are truely interested,even if you have sent me your contact information before, please do so again. I need as many names as possible when I continue talks with the park manager. This could be a very nice range. We could even try to get grant money. Once I get more specifics from the park manager I would like for everyone to get together to discuss this more.
Sounds good Rick,
You still have my info? I'll shoot ya an e-mail before I leave the plant.
Paul
I'm still around and yes, I'm interested in a local club. I tried to get something started over here north of KCMO at Platte Falls and we had 3 different get togethers but never really got organized. Platte Falls CA is a pretty good place and already has an archery range and two walk through courses that need some grooming. I know most Conservation Areas on the MO side would love to have a local club to help with upkeep of the ranges and to help promote archery. I expect the Kansas side would be similar.
I'll keep an eye on this to see what it amounts to.
You can add my name to the list. I'm in Overland Park.
Bill
I'm still interested. When you talk to Park manager again tell him we will have a substantial investment in setting up the range both in work and time and see if he will waive the 500 the first year in return for the range.Also we can negotiate the yearly fee,as that is the first figure he through out.If you'd like to talk call me.Send a e-mail and I'll send my cell number. Ben
Guys Richard needs your real name, phone number, email address...either PM him your info or email him....He needs to organize a list.
you just tell me what you need. If you want me to go with you to meet with hillsdale guy just tell me when....it seems like I am profesional job interviewer lately. So all I do is go to the range and job interviews....you got my number and email...I am stoked!!!
Sent you an email with my contact info. I only live a couple minutes from Hillsdale so it would be really nice if this goes through.
You got an E Mail
Here is a satelite shot of the area around the Ranger Station at Hillsdale that the Park Manager mentioned for the range. It looks like a good area and lots of trees to shade shooter in the hot kansas' summers.
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=38.661026~-94.889914&style=h&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=14832385&encType=1
rick, I sent you a pm with my info. OOOOOHHH, my wife isn't going to like this, HEHEHEH! I'm excited. I'm in Kansas City, Kansas by cabelas.
Sent a pm also glad this is still in the works. bretto
Hi guys
I would love to meet some people that shoot traditional archery. I have only been shooting for a couple of years and I have often wondered if there were more people locally that I could shoot with.
My wife and I live right outside the town of Camden Point, Mo. We are 6 miles north of Platte City, about 40 miles east of the Nocking Point, 50 mile north of Olathe, 15 mile west of Smithville, 30 miles north of North KC and 25 mile south of Saint Jo.
My wife is into riding horses and I am into archery. She used to shoot but she doesn't think she can shoot anymore because of shoulder problems. We live in a rural area with lots of open space.
Oh I forgot to mention, my wife likes to ride her horses indoors when the weather is bad. And when it gets dark out early... we can flip on the indoor lights so that the 72' x 140' arena is all lit up.
When the weather is nice we have an outdoor arena that is 150' wide x 300' long and there are 5 empty 30' tall light poles positioned in different areas around the arena. Huh...I wonder how those could be used?
There would to be some logistics to work out like liability issues, putting up wood sheeting at the far end of the arena to protect the walls from arrows (I already put a hole in a door) but we might be able to work something out if anyone is interested.
Rick, I will send you a PM.
Here are some pictures. Forgive me if the pictures don't work this is my first time trying to post pictures on here.
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Stick my name in the group too Rick. It's a fair piece to drive but would be nice to shoot there.
I stayed in the Hillsdale campgrounds for a while when I was working construction in Olathe. It is a real nice area.
Dennis
I now have 17 guys interested including myself. This is a great start. I have been searching the internet and this site for info on starting and setting up a range, surprisingly there is alot of info out there.
Okay I think I have it.
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Well I don't get it. I'll have to try tomorrow. I my need to get a fifth grader involved.
gatekeeper.....there is actualy a pretty nice archery club not far from you....nice thing is they own the land and give hunting rights to member....it's a nice pece of land with caves to explore....I don't remember the name of the club but it's around liberty.
You must have hit the lottery
Nice place you have there gatekeeper
I am going to contact the Park Manager on Friday to set up a time to check out the land that he has to offer for the club. Also, I was given info on three insurance companies that provide coverage for archery ranges. Sounds like the coverage will be $200-300 per year. One I get up with the Park Manager and a he shows me the area for the range I will post a satelite shot to give everyone a look see.
Wow, I thought insurance would be a lot more. Shows how much I know...
Sounds great man, it is really cool that you are putting forth so much effort to get this done.
Recurve, Sent you an e-mail.
I live around an hour from Olathe.
Near Lawson.
I just got the phone again with the Park Manager at Hillsdale. He is now back stepping a little on me. He has a big project in the works for a Hunter Safety Center that seems to be stressing him out due to the amount of facilities that will be built. I assured him that we were not interested in a major construction project and just need an area to set up 3D targets to shoot. I will be meeting with him on 10-29 to discuss this in person. Any suggestions on topics to be discussed during the meeting would be appreciated. I am sure that once we can prove to him that we are very serious about the range he may come around. I have been researching setting up ranges and will take this information with me to the meeting.
I now have a volunteer that will be going to the meeting with me. Gail Darling out of Overland Park. He has been involved in Hunter Safety and Bow Hunter saftey for some time and has a few contacts in the Parks and Wildlife system which may be very useful in getting this range moving. Gail suggested that we not limit the club to traditional only, one advantage would be the increase number of members which in turn would mean more funds for the club. I'm not sure how everyone feels about this so let me hear your opinions. After the meeting I will set up a time for everyone to meet somewhere.
I am guessing that if it was a "Trad Only" club the state would not support it....Perhaps a N E Kansas Traditional Archers Association could be a branch of any club that gets to use the range?
keep up the effort and I am sure something will get going.
Tho maybe after the hunting seasons are over... :)
Paul, not sure what you mean by,"Perhaps a N E Kansas Traditional Archers Association could be a branch of any club that gets to use the range?"
Gail Darling and myself met with the Hillsdale Park Manager this morning. At first, the manager seems a little distant. After he showed us a few areas that may be available and talking with us for an hour or so he seems to come around. I think it was due to Gail and myself explaining our needs and expressing our concerns. The manager finally stated that he would send me a map with areas that my be available to use. One issue we may run into is that the park is now in the process of building an archery range with butt targets. Hopefully, this will not get in the way. The manager did suggest that we go ahead and get the club organized as soon as possible since an organized group would have a better chance than just a few individuals. So, I guess we need to set a date and a location for everyone interested to meet and get things rolling. If you know anyone that is interested please make them aware. It would be great to have some ideas from people that are or have been members of other clubs. In the next few days I will come up with a few dates for everyone to decide on.
Gail Darling and myself met with the Hillsdale Park Manager this morning. At first, the manager seems a little distant. After he showed us a few areas that may be available and talking with us for an hour or so he seems to come around. I think it was due to Gail and myself explaining our needs and expressing our concerns. The manager finally stated that he would send me a map with areas that my be available to use. One issue we may run into is that the park is now in the process of building an archery range with butt targets. Hopefully, this will not get in the way. The manager did suggest that we go ahead and get the club organized as soon as possible since an organized group would have a better chance than just a few individuals. So, I guess we need to set a date and a location for everyone interested to meet and get things rolling. If you know anyone that is interested please make them aware. It would be great to have some ideas from people that are or have been members of other clubs. In the next few days I will come up with a few dates for everyone to decide on.
I'm in!!! email sent with info!
Ricky,
Thanks for doing the leg work and trying to get this thing going. Sounds like a neat deal.
If that doesn't work out I think Tom's place looks like a neat deal and it doesn't sound like it would require any money which is a good thing.
Keep us informed.
Chris
Sounds good!
I guess its time to set up our first meeting and get this club rolling. Would this Sunday 11/4 in the afternoon be a good time for everyone, if so we can set an exact time and place, if not please make suggestions for a time. Also, does anyone have a suggestion as to where we could meet? I am open to any suggestions.
I guess its time to set up our first meeting and get this club rolling. Would this Sunday 11/4 in the afternoon be a good time for everyone, if so we can set an exact time and place, if not please make suggestions for a time. Also, does anyone have a suggestion as to where we could meet? I am open to any suggestions.
I think I have drill for the Army reserves this weekend. Not sure. I'll check and e-mail you.
Ricky,
I will hopefully be in a treestand for the first time this year on Saturday and Sunday. Maybe an evening during the week? Or wait till after the rut and meet on a weekend?
I have plans Sunday as well.
Very interested, but will be in the woods every chance I get over the next couple weeks.
Interested also, Just can't make it. I will be working :(
Tracy
P.S. Good luck you guys hunting this weekend, The bucks are starting to move :goldtooth:
Maybe a weekday evening would work better for a get together? That might interfere less with hunting.
Ricky, I do have drill this weekend. I have to work at the fire station tuesday and friday next week. Other than that its game on.
I am not able to meet m-th since I work at night. Maybe we can hold out for a Sunday afternoon in a couple of weeks.
weekends are bad....Like everyone has said an weekday evening...after 6:30 would be great
Looks like it will be best to atleast wait until after the rut and then on a Fri, Sat, or Sunday, since Ricky works Mon - Thurs evenings. Can't see having this meeting without him!
Maybe we could meet out at Hillsdale. One of the Park Rangers told me they already have a platform to shoot off of, just no targets. I am sure we could get a few guys to bring something to shoot at. After talking about it, we could have our first shoot!
Hopefully we can get together soon, maybe I can take a night off.
any updates here?
Sorry for the long period with no updates. I never heard back from the guy at Hillsdale, but i do have a land owner in Gardner that may be interested in leasing some land. I have to set up a time to talk with him, hopefully after christmas
Still have a couple of weeks chasing whitetails here in MO. Be ready for club talk about mid January.
Please keep me updated as well....I'm from Louisburg area, have just dusted off my bow after an 10 year hiatus
Hey guys,I'm president of Three Trails Traditional Archery Club Just south of Lee's Summit. If you guys need any help or have any questions about insurance or anything else please feel free to contact me.
Bob
Bob, I am interested in your bow shoots at Three Trails. When are they scheduled this year? I like those early chili shoots. Anything in the works? What is the availability for new members this year?
Looking forward to getting this club going! Let me know if I can help any Ricky. Did you ever get a shot at that buck?
Treeman,We have not set the dates of our shoots yet,but one should be in Febuary and the other in March.I will post the dates on Tradgang in a couple weeks.
I think we will have 5 or 6 new member openings this year.
www.threetrailsarchery.com (http://www.threetrailsarchery.com)
I'll be looking forward to your shoots as well. Also interested to see how Ricky's grounds turn out.
Any new developments, Ricky?
Not yet, my parents were in town last week for a visit from NC, so I was not able to meet with the land owner. Hopefully, I will be able to in the next week or so.
I was informed yesterday that the land owner does not what to work with us on the 3D range, it seems he has a bad experience with someone else in the past and does not want to go through it again. Looks like I will have to keep looking for land elsewhere. Hopefully, I can find something in the near future.
I am still searching for land. I have several pieces of land that I found South of Olathe and East of Gardner that I will be contacting the owners once I can get to the Johnson Co Tax office to found out who the owners are. If anyone has suggestions, please let me know.
I was able to make it to the Johnson County Couthouse today and have the names and addresses of several land owners. I plan to contact them this week. I will let everyone know what the results were.
I don't remember anyone mentioning this but Shawnee mission park has an exsisting range and "had" a walk thru range. They used to have 3-d shoots there a couple of times a year. and a bunch of us had a sorta league for a couple of years... hope that helps and I'm interested in joining
I shoot at the Shawnee Mission Range. I talked with a person that used to be a part of the walk thru range and he stated that the park officials were against having another walk thru range. That is a shame, because I am sure it would get alot of use.
Hey guys I live in Stanley (OP) and would love to shoot with you guys some time. I haven't shot that much in quite a few years but I'm trying to get back into it. I have a board bow I made some years back but I'm hoping to get an unfinished bow done in the next few months, just need the weather to warm up a bit so I can glue it up.
Anyway would be nice to get some pointers and do some shooting with others.
Dave
Man, Rick, you're a bulldog... :D
Keep up the good work...
See you Saturday?
I hope that the other club that is being started up by Gatekeeper will not hurt this effort. I think it is a great idea, but it would be to far for me to drive on a regular basis to shoot. I have talked with two landowners, but they were not interested. I still have several more and will try to contact them in the next few days. Maybe it's time to organize this into a actual club while the search for land is going on. If you are still interested let me know so we can set up a meeting time to get things rolling. I have emailed a member of another club to get information on starting up a club.
Ricky,
Are you going to join us at Cabela's on Saturday? Wouldn't the meeting on Saturday help answer some of the questions that you might have on starting up a club? Wouldn't it also help you get a consensus from the other people, on this site, on what would work best for them.
Bob Burns, the President of Three Trails Traditional Archery, is coming to our meeting. Bob might be able to answer some of the questions that you and the others may have.
Nobody is (I am not) trying to hurt the efforts that you started. The main purpose of Saturday's meeting is to, at the very least, gather the area people that are interested in having someway of uniting to one location and talk about what they want. Bob Burns will be there to help answer some of the questions. That is why a majority of the meeting was delegated to:
Individual expectations or desires for an archery club or what you want to achieve from this meeting:
An open discussion where each person will have a chance to express what they would like to see or have in an archery club. Do you want a formal club? Do you want a traditional only club? Are you willing to pay dues? Are you willing to take on club responsibilities? How often should we meet? How much time can you dedicate to this project? Is an organized club really what you want? etc...
I think it is very possible that two clubs could be formed because of the way Kansas City is spread out. But that doesn't mean the two (possible) clubs can't combine their efforts and resources or better yet, find a neutral (central) location and become one club instead of two.
Anyway, do what works best for you, but it seems like twice as much work for you to try to arrange another meeting and bring in a member from another club to talk about starting a club when that is exactly what is planned for the Saturday meeting.
Also, the efforts that you are putting forward for finding land may go a lot smoother if you approach the land owner with a good plan in hand. Example: the club has insurance, the club would be willing to sign a lease contract, the club would be willing to pay "X" dollars a year for the use of the land. Face to face contact also goes a lot farther than a phone call. It's easier to hang the phone up on someone than to shut a door on them. Just my opinion, but I would hold off contacting any more land owners until you have a good plan to work off of. Otherwise, you may be burning a bridge with every phone call.
Hope you can make it to the meeting.
Tom
I am going to try to make the meeting, as I am sure it will be very informative. I have been doing alot of research myself on insurance($2 million liability for under $300), lease cost, course design, club rules and monthly dues. Hopefully, I will be able to meet some of the land owners personally, but a few are not located locally.
Most of the responses that I have gotten are in favor of forming a club with dues. The meeting that I was referring to was for the people that had emailed me with contact info and a interest in forming a club in the Olather area.
I agree with you that it would be very benefitial for the two groups to work together. One benefit might be that when targets are purchased we could place an order together with the hopes of getting a discount for volume.
In some of the previous posts it was mentioned building a range on public propery. My experience with the Hillsdale Lake park mngr was that a lot of red tape was involved.
Ricky
Another problem with the Hillsdale lake area is that any structure that would need to be built to store 3-D Targets would be turned over to the State if and whenever the Club would fold for any reason.
Second problem with the area is that the State of Kansas has already invested a considerable amount of Money in there New Archery Range, and Iam sure that the state of Kansas dosen't want to spend any more Dollars for our cause. Just what I got from reasding between what the Park Mgr. had to say to Rick and I.
My main concern was for Security of our Archery equiptment, the State sure as Hell won't furnish any. Vandels would be a Major issue for us no matter where We decide on....ONE SHOT... :( :( :(
I was out at Prairie Center on Santa Fe West of Olathe today and was suprise to find out that they have an archery program for schools. After talking with one the Center employees, I also found out that they are interested in starting a 3D range. The center is about 300 acres with a good mix of trees and open areas. I will be meeting with the Prairie Center Manager tomorrow morning to get an idea of what they have in mind. If we have enough interest, this could turn in to be a super 3D range. They presently have several butt blocks and a raise shooting platform. This was funded by Westar Energy. They even allow primitive camping with permission.
cool, let us know how it goes... :thumbsup:
are you all going to Snow's?
take care
Kevin
That sounds great!
I will be at Snow's. I really enjoy their shoot. The fact that it is just a fun shoot with no competition is what I like the best. My daughter really enjoy it also.
I met with Alaine Hudlin of the Prairie Center this morning. Alaine is 100% for a club establishing a 3D range at the center. Alaine stated that we could basically set the range up in anyway we wished. In exchange for the use of the property, Alaine's only requested is that we have volunteers available for 2 days each summer to assist with an Archery Day Camp that is held to introduce local children to archery and hunting. Alaine did state that we would be able to use the 3D targets that the center has, but they would have to be stored in their building when not in use. I did ask that if we were to supply the targets would we be able to secure the targets to the ground by some means or to an adjacent tree and Alaine stated that it would be ok. The Prairie Center is owned by the state and is managed by the Kansas Parks and Wildlife, so we would have to form a nonprofit organization in order to use the property and we would have to provide a $1 million liability insurance policy, which will cost less than $300 per year. If we use the centers targets we can not stop the public from using the targets, but if we provide the targets we could either not allow someone to use the targets or force them to join the club in order to use our targets. Alaine did state that the center is not a public use area and is supposed to be used for educational purposes, so that would keep the number of people having access to the course at a minimum. Aliane even stated that we could host shoots and have primitive camping if we wished. There are 2 porta potties, one at each parking area and permanent toilets at the lake. The park is open from dusk until dawn, seven days per week.
I hope that there is a lot of interest in this. The area that will be used for the range is absolutely beautiful. I do realize that we will have to do some maintenance on the range, which should be minimal, but the mowing will be done by the center. If we needed to use a tractor or mower that belongs to the center we would be able to.
After talking with Alaine this morning I am really positive that this is a great opportunity to establish a 3D Archery Range, which is lacking in the area. Please let me know if you are interested in participating in this. One other concern is, are we going to have this as traditional only or are we going to include the wheelie guys? Including the wheelie guys will lower the cost of membership.
I have included a link to a satelite shot of the center. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&FORM=LMLTCC&cp=38.879984~-94.899334&style=h&lvl=16&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=14914499&phx=0&phy=0&phscl=1&encType=1
The Office is at the northeast corner of the property. There is 25 acres total of residental land on the north and west border of the center.
I will be at Snow's. I really enjoy their shoot. The fact that it is just a fun shoot with no competition is what I like the best. My daughter really enjoy it also.
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I will be sending out an email to everyone that previously sent their contact info to me. I may also post a flyer at Bass Pro and Cabela's if they will allow it.
Is anyone familiar with the process of forming a 501c not profit orginization?
Glad to see you are still pursueing this and thanks for all your effort. Looks like a good spot, hope it works out.
Add Ray to the list. Are you aware of SNOWS BOW SHOOT, SEPT. 27/28, IN PLEASANTON, KS??? 2 days of PHHUUNN!! Ray
I have the post card they send out on my frig, can not wait. Their shoots are really alot of fun and the Snow's are very welcoming.
One question about the range are we going to try to keep this traditional only or do we want to include the redheaded step children that like training wheels? One other bit of info, in the past some of the people have mentioned that they did not really want to have to keep up the range and spent time working on it. Good new the only up keep we will have is on the trail and targets as the Center will handle all mowing and upkeep of toilets. If anyone knows a lawyer that would be willing to assist with filing the 501c-7 papers to become non-profit please let me know. Also, we to set a time and place for a meeting. I am usually available Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights and Sunday morning if need be.
Recurvericky, I just reread your meeting with Alaine Hudlin and seems to be no stipulations on what type of club. IMHO I would keep it traditional only, let the others play some where else :biglaugh:
Stone Sheep posted earlier, he is the president of the Three Trails Club, take him up on his offer. Find out how they have the club structured. It really is laid back, but it still is a group effort to keep it going.
Gatekeeper, how did the meeting at Cabela's turnout?
QuoteOriginally posted by bowhunterfrompast:
Gatekeeper, how did the meeting at Cabela's turnout?
Go to this link to see the notes from the meeting. Bob Burns was at this meeting.
http://tradgang.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=1;t=056311;p=9
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Thanks Gatekeeper, I forgot about Stone Sheeps earlier offer. I will contact him.
Thanks Gatekeeper, I forgot about Stone Sheeps earlier offer. I will contact him.
Thanks Gatekeeper, I forgot about Stone Sheeps earlier offer. I will contact him.
Ray Cinadr aka Bow-n-head had a great suggestion as far as targets. He suggested to use "U Stuff It" targets since this type of target if a lot cheaper that the normal 3D target and could be left on the range. Then if we had a club shoot we could use The Prairie Centers targets for the day. By doing this the initial cost of starting the club could be held to a minimum. The "U Stuff It" targets would be supported by hanging them from a piece of rebar bent in the shape of a "U" and buried in the ground.
After checking around on insurance for an archery club, I have located a couple of companies that provide the coverage for approx $500. The catch is that 5-6 members of the club have to be active members of either the NRA or the NFAA. We may be able to get the insurance through the Kansas Bowhunters Association as an affiliate, but I will have to check on that. As I mentioned in one of my earlier post the club has to be a 502c/7 nonprofit. I contacted a lawyer who has ties to archery and he can do this for us, but the cost is $1500-$2500. I guess the next step is to see just who is really interested in going forward with this. If we get enough interest we can set a date for a meeting to get the ball rolling. I realize that hunting season is coming up and most will be concentrating on it, but if we are going to do this we need to get serious. If you are truely interested, please send me an email with your name, address, phone number and email address. I realize several people have already sent this info to me, but I would like to get it again to make sure I have everyones contact info.
After seeing the cost of forming a 501c nonprofit,I contacted Alaine at the Prairie Center to see we could some how work around the 501c nonprofit issue. To show you just how dedicated Alaine is to getting an archery range at the Prairie Center, she was already in the process of determining if we could bypass the 501c and get status a Friends of the PrairieCenter status that would allow us to use the property. One catch is that we might have to be an affiliate of either the NFAA or the Kansas Bowhunters Association to get the Friends of the Prairie status. I will be contacting both groups today for information on this. If anyone is a member of either one of these groups please let me know as soon as possible.
Hi Rick ONE SHOT here (Gail Darling). Iam a Member of the KBA here in Kansas. Also Iam a NRA Member. Kansas H/E Instructor, and NBEF Instructor. I have taught several Bow Hunter Classes at the Olathe site. The Lady Mgr. is great to work with. Iam still interested in helping to form a Club.
If My credentials will help in any way, please feel free to mention My Name to Her....ONE SHOT
After getting off the phone with Alaine at the Prairie Center, I contacted John Doub of the Wichita Chapter of the NFAA (National Field Archery Association). The NFAA has the best Liability Insurance for the money. Per John a few steps have to be taken in order to be granted the Liability Insurance through the NFAA
1.First we must have 5 club members who are members of the NFAA which cost $35 each. This is usually covered by the club.
2.After that is taken care of we have to apply for a charter with the NFAA as an affiliate member. The application fee for this is $25.
3.Once the charter application is granted and the 5 club members are verified to be members of the NFAA. An inspection of the range has to be performed.
4.The cost of the inspection is $15 plus mileage from Blue Springs, Mo. This is where the closet NFAA Inspector is located. The Range has to be clearing marked and a simple map drawn up.
5.Once the range passes inspection the charter is granted and the insurance policy will be granted. The yearly fee for the charter is $35.
Per John this is a simple process that sounds more complicated than it is. John also recommended incorporating the club to protect the members from law suites in case of an accident. I will check on the cost of incorporating. The application for the charter will be mailed to me, along with a copy of the local Wichita Archery Clubs by-laws.
At this point we need to set up a time for all interested to meet and get this more organized. We could meet at the Prairie Center on a Saturday or Sunday, that way everyone could check out the facilities.
I would like to get the email address of the following people
Paul Nissen
Brian Moeller
Jon Norris
Jeff Mickle
Brett Eisman
Dave Bulla
Ben Saye
Chip Jones
email sent...
Thanks for all the effort you are putting into this.
Paul Nissen
Alaine Hudlin at the Prairie Center stated that it is still a go for the Archery Club to get started. Our next step is to set a meeting time and place to get things rolling. Alaine stated that we could meet at the Prairie Centers Office at the intersection of West 135th St. and Cedar Niles Rd. I thought meeting at the Prairie Center would give everyone a chance to take a look at the property. Would 1/18/09 at 2pm work for everyone or should we shoot for 1/25/09 which would give everyone more time to make arrangements to be at the meeting? I will attempt to send an email with details of the cost associated with starting a club. Please let me know if you will attend the meeting.
Ricky
Keeping this at the top
You have been busy Rick, thanks for all the hard work you are putting in.
I have to work the next two weekends but I might be able to make it on the 25th since it is after 2pm.
Paul
Oh, BTW, have you seen the post about the rabbit hunt and get together up by Valley Falls on the 31st? That's not that far away from Olathe...
Rick: Either day OK by me!! Thanx for all the effort. Ray
Putting this back at the top
Thanks for all the work, either day is OK right now for me. Keep us posted.
The guys that I have talked with are not able to meet on either day, so lets look at 1/24/09 at 2pm which will be one week from tomorrow. Please let me know who will be at the meeting.
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I'll be there if nothing comes up Rick.
Well dang, I'll be working that day too. I might be able to make it but it'll be after 2 since my relief don't show before 1:15 or so...
Just "googled" directions and from where I work it tells me it'll take me a little over an hour to get there. If nothing comes up I might could make it...
The date for the meeting has been set for 1/24/09 at 2pm at the Prairie Center in Olathe, KS.
Please let me know if you are planning on attending the meeting, as I would like to get an idea of the number of people that will attend. I will be printing handouts with information that I have gathered and aerial photos of the Prairie Center. If you are not able to attend, but are still interested, please let me know. We need a general idea of just how many people are interested. At this point we have 31 people that are interested. It would be great to have as many at the meeting as possible. If anyone has experience being in clubs or starting a club, your help would be greatly appreciated.
Ricky Sadler
913-768-1842
Richard.e.sadler@embarq.com
Can't make the meeting but keep me posted. Thanks.
Bill
Thanks Rick. I'll do my best to be there...
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Rick,
sent ya a pm!
I should be able to make it. Might even bring a neighbor!
Chip
Rick,
I have drill that weekend. I'm still interested in the club. Keep me posted and on the list.
Tripper
Rick,
I'm still down in Wichita on my medical rotations. I won't be able to make it back for the meeting, but I'm definitely still interested in joining the club. Thanks for getting this going...I'll be finished in May.
Brian
Below is a list of everyone that has stated they are interested in the club. If you know anyone that is not on the list please let them know about the meeting. 1/24/09 2 pm
Prairie Center
26325 W 135th St
Olathe, KS 66061.
At the intersection of W 135th St and S Cedar Niles Rd.
Ricky Sadler
Paul Nissen
Mel Riley
Brian Moeller
John Norris
Tracey Potter
Sean Potter
Tress Potter
Jeff Sheyn
Jeff Bitner
Jeff Mickle
Ray Cinadr
Brett Eisman
Tripper Sadler
Bill Nash
Dave Bulla
Gail Darling
Rob Bowen
Ben Saye
Chip Jones
Brian Mize
Brian Becker
Neven Mikic
Dennis Han
Christopher Kinslow
Kevin Symes
Steve George
David Cox
Richard Wakeman
Recurvericky, Brian Moeller and I are planning to be there tomorrow. See ya
WoodsyDave
From the responses I have received, we should have a really good number of people at the meeting. I am looking forward to meeting everyone.
Looking forward to it, One son is away at college and the other is in a tree rat tournament. :D It's going to be a cold day to be chasing them things around the woods.
See ya there! :wavey:
Tracy
Glad to see that you'll be there Tracy...
I'll likly be a bit late since I'm coming from work.
Well the Daughters team lost last night so they have a Basketball game starting at 1:00 so I can't make the meeting today. Hope everything goes well. I'll catch up on the meeting next weekend at the Rabbit hunt.
bretto
Dang it man, I was looking forward to catching up with ya Brett. Family comes first :campfire:
Tracy
The meeting was a great success. Officers were chosen. The club name was voted in as "Prairie Tradional Archers". The Next meeting will be on Feb 28th at 2pm at the Prairie Center. Si Korte will be sending out minutes from the meeting.
I still need information from the following people
Jeff Sheyn -address
Tripper Sadler -address
Bill Nash -phone#
Ben Saye -address
Brian Mize -address and phone#
Brian Becker -address and phone#
Brett Eisman -email address
Neven Mikic - phone number
Dennis Han -address and phone#
Christopher Kinslow - address and phone#
Keven Symes -phone#
Steve George -address and phone#
David Cox -address and phone#
Mike Carrithers -Address
Joe Meyers -address, phone number and email address
I, for one, am really looking forward to getting this going! Not only to have a place to shoot, but to get a chance to get to know some of ya'll.
See ya on Feb 28th!
The list keeps growing. I have two more guys that are interested. The list is up to 41. I am ready to start slinging some arrows at the PTA archery range.
Came up with a logo. Pretty basic.
What do ya'll think?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/wfjones2/ptalogoA.jpg)
That looks pretty good....
:thumbsup:
That is one fine looking logo. I was working one this morning with a quiver and longbow, but I like this better.
I like it!
Looks good Chip :thumbsup: I like it!
Tracy
Glad ya'll like it!
Here is another one just changed a little bit. I think I like the previous version better.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/wfjones2/PTALogoB1.jpg)
I think I like the first one best.
This one looks like the Buff is going to have a painful colonoscopy:) I like the first one so far
Maybe try the archer on the right and the Buff and club name on the left
First one
The fist one looks good but maybe raise the archer up a bit? Right now his head is sorta in a strange place on the buffalo...
:eek:
Hey, I'm new here. I'm in Manhattan, KS. Am I close enough to play?
Sure you are. Send me your contact info and I will add you to our contact list to keep you updated on the meeting times and issues. I need your mailing address, phone number and email address.
first one is the original posted above
second one I just raised the hunter a little bit
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/wfjones2/ptalogoA.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/wfjones2/ptalogo2aweb.jpg)
I am ok with either one.
I am probably gonna drive ya'll crazy with this, but I kinda like this new version.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/wfjones2/PTALogoC1.jpg)
Okay, I promise this is the last one.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/wfjones2/ptalogoD1.jpg)
Ricky, I sent you a pm with my address.
I like the last one. Tripper
I like the last one so far. When we have the next meeting maybe you can have copies of the different logo's so we can vote on it.
Another vote for the last version... :thumbsup:
Just wanted to let everyone know that the officers had a meeting on Saturday, to set an agenda for the meeting on 2/28. We will have a full agenda to discuss on the 28th. We have a set by-laws put together by the officers that will be sent out to everyone to review before the meeting. The meeting place may have to be changed to accomidate a larger crowd. Everyone will be notified if so.
I just sent out a draft of the By-laws that were put together by the officers of the club. These by-laws are only a draft. We will be discussing changes and/or additions and voting on them at the meeting on 2/28. If you did not receive a copy by email, then I either do not have your email address or a have an incorrect email address.
Ricky
Ricky,
What feedback have you received on the by-laws?
As stated in my email to you, I was surprised to see the membership fees so low. Especially after hearing about all the stuff the club will have to pay for (insurance, etc). I am not complaining! Cheap is good, but I also want to see a finacially viable club.
Also, if guests are allowed, then I think they should have to make a $5 donation each time they come to shoot. If they think they will come enough then they should become a member. Especially if it is only $20 to join.
Also, should we limit the membership? How much will the Prairie Center put up with? Will they be glad to have as many as we can get? Or if we reach a big size will they get fed up with us having lots of people out there?
Just thinking out loud!
Some of the feed back has been exactly what you stated. Limit the membership. Some want to allow guest at a nominal feed, while some do not. The few people that have responded concerning dues feel they are to low. The cost to incorporate were significally lower than thought, $20 to get our not for profit articles of incorporation from the state of Kansas. $40 to the NFAA for our charter and range inspection. We will still have the $400 per year for insurance. The range inspection will hopefully take place this saturday.
Ray Cinadr, Si Korte and myself will mark the range on friday if the weather allows. If anyone would like to help out let me know.
If anyone has questions or concerns about the by-laws or anything else concerning the club, please let me know. Getting the thought process going before the next meeting will be very beneficial.
Si Korte, Ray Cinadr, Josh Jakobe and myself set up the basic shooting range today. We were able to set up 20 shooting lanes. The range will have many different shooting situations in some very nice woods. Several shot will be across a small stream. The NFAA inspector will be meeting a few of us at the Prairie Center tomorrow morning to inspect the range. I will let everyone know what the outcome is.
Ricky
The range was inspected today and we passed. The inspector now has to forward the inspection documetns to the NFAA who will issue how charter. Once we receive the charter we will be able to get our insurance policy. At the meeting on the 2/28 we will be setting up a work day to clear the walking paths and shooting lanes. We will have access to a walk-behind brush mower and a generator to run a electric hammer to drive the rebar in the ground to support the bag targets. I will also have a few maps at the meeting with the basic layout of the range.
I was hoping we would be able to have the next meeting a BassPro, but they are booked for hunter education classes. We will just have to make room at the Prairie Center. If everyone is okay with it we could have the meeting a 10am on 2/28 at the Prairie Center.
I have a friend who lives in Olathe, I'll pass this on to him.
Thanks Rusty in Fla.
Our next meeting is scheduled for Saturday, Feb 28th 10am at the Prairie Center. We will will have a full agenda. If you have not received a copy of the by-laws draft please let me know so I can forward you a copy.
The minutes from our meeting on 2/28 will be sent out in the mornging to everyone on our contact list. If you do not receive the meeting minutes, membership application, liability waiver and welcome letter, please let me know as you contact info may not be on the list. Our next meeting will be on 3/28 10am at the Prairie Center.
Don't mean to hijack the thread, but I wanted to let you guys know that Three Trails Traditional Archery is having their shoots on March 22nd and April 19. See this sites shoot listings for more details or PM me. Hope to see you guys there. Take care.
Everyone on the contact list should have a copy of the minutes, membership application, liability waiver, By Laws, and welcome letter. If you wish the information, let me know through Trad Gang, along with your contact info, and I will send you the paperwork.
The Prairie Traditional Archers Club now has a place to call home. We signed a lease agreement this week with the City of De Soto for 37 acres to be used as an archery range. The property consist of 26 acres wooded and an 11 acre field. We are planning on having an range in place within the next month. If anyone is interested in becoming a member, please let me know. You can also visit our club website at http://www.prairietraditionalarchers.org/ for information and membership information.
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