is there anything you can do about that?
i have been shooting splits for a while now and just playing around i tried splits and was amazed the difference in sound. cant understand why.....thoughts?
The limbs are no longer in sync with 3 under.
I think, unless it's been tillered for 3 under, then it's what Overspined said.
I think it is all geometry. Look at the angle produced by the nocked arrow, which is basically the centerline of that angle. To keep the shot smooth you need equal force above and below centerline. Split is much closer to equal force than three under. I played with this also and have shot split for many years. Much more accurate for me also.
Did you make a adjustment to your nock point. When you go to 3 under you will need to raise the nock set. This will not only help with arrow tune but will quite the bow.
Either raise the nock or get a bow that is tillered 3 under.
X2 on what legends1 said.
I've played with bows that have adjustable tiller and nothing quiets 3 under. Based on high speed videos I'm more of the opinion that with three fingers under the arrow the string gets pulled back behind The arrow. At release the string snaps forward before it starts moving the arrow which causes the added noise. IMHO
3 under is louder. Even my bows tillered for 3 under are louder then if using Split.
If properly tuned, tillered for 3under and shot with good release form, it isnt louder.
my experience.
Bows are tillered for 3 under (from bowyer), nock points have been raised and form can't be too bad cause it is quiet with splits - right? Very noticeable difference with most bows.
Anyone do anything to solve this? Shoot off self versus rest? Diff rest material?
Check or play with brace hieght.
Shot 3 under for years,
I found the ONLY way to make a true difference in sound is to adjust the amount of finger meat on the string.If you use a deep hook w/ 3 under???You'll most certainly should work on reducing the amount of finger play into the release.Try moving the string towards the tips of your finger w/out putting extra tension on the hand.
I will say,
Once I worked on shooting split.I would never go back to 3 under, for many reasons outside of noise issue.
I have no idea why the difference except that 3-under vs. split is a different "strum" of your string. I would think shooting from an elevated rest might help because you'd be moving your fingers back up the string.
I shoot some of my bows from an elevated rest and others from the shelf. Most of this decision has to do with the dimensions of the sight window though. Small windows I shoot from the shelf (less than 3").
3-under is the only way for me. I don't/won't even try split. I'm satisified that my curves are quiet enough.
I have an adjustable bow and nothing I have been able to do makes it quiet as split. With that said, I shoot much better 3 under and the little bit of noise I do get is more than tolerable.
I think you guys are going to find that the string angle of your bow at full draw has more to do with noise than tiller adjustment.
Like overbo said here, how much finger play in the release changes how much slack comes out of the string....
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Kirk summoned it up nicely,for those that are worried about the noise difference if u are concentrateing on the shot u dont notice it.The deer dont notice it either,
Very nice Kirk...
My sketch was similar and communicated the same deduction, however my vertical arrow positions remained unchanged.
How about two fingers under????
Is it better?
Very good explanation Kirk!
I go back and forth split and 3 under. Here's another conundrum I have shooting through paper with split I get a right tear too stiff spine. With 3 under I get a slight tail high tear. But overall an exceptable tear.
I've never had a bow that was as quiet when shot three under as it was if it was shot with split fingers. Tuning helps, and the bows always shot fine and accurately, but always a bit louder three under.
I should add that most of my bows were bought used and as far as I know none of them are tillered specifically for shooting three under. I would assume that would help with noise.
Personally I hate a noisy bow so I still shoot split. If I tie small thread nock points, I can actually have a bow set up so that I can go back and forth between split finger and three under. Aside from the aiming or impact differences, the main thing I notice is the noise and feel between three under and split. Three under is loud and leaves plenty of vibration in the bow and limbs, split is much quieter and leaves very little vibration in the bow and limbs. At least that's how it works for me. I can see the accuracy potential of shooting three under, just can't stand the noise and feel of the bow.
Kirks picture show what I've seen with high speed video. It adds a lot of extra vibration. One could possibly add a lot more string silencing material on the lower string.
Perhaps we should ask all of the animals that were killed by shooters using 3 under if they could tell a difference :)
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Perhaps we should ask all of the animals that were killed by shooters using 3 under if they could tell a difference :)
yip its louder but no amount of quietening can make a bow quiet enough to stop an animal reacting at Trad bow range, unless there is Zero noise, which is impossible.
Its a matter of Accuracy and Consistency for me over noise.
Mine aren't any louder. But then, I have "Nitro Express Ears".
What Tusker said
you guys crack me up....yes i agree you can kill animals with some noise, but the quieter the better for me. But the main thing is accuracy so since i shoot better with 3 under i will hunt with three under. that being said i want to make as quiet as possible. thought there may be some tricks or tips to help with this......
QuoteOriginally posted by SS Snuffer:
How about two fingers under????
Is it better?
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Bow noise isn't just about the concern of it being stealthy for hunting or not for me. Tuning and shooting my bow so every aspect of its function feels smooth and harmonically balanced, is my preference.
Tradtusker: I agree with your comment above but you can have accuracy and consistency with very little bow noise, it's not mutually exclusive. Yes, any animal will jump the string but for the life of me, I cannot tolerate the sound of a loud trad bow. As aside, I shoot split finger.
Kris
From the time I starting shooting bows (age 5 or 6), even wheelies (teenager), I shot with two fingers. Mostly split and for about a year or so I went with two under. I switched to three split last Nov. Even with my poor hearing I heard a difference. Split three is quieter than two under or three under. Two split is quieter than three under.
I went to three split to have a quieter bow AND to save wear on my fingers. Not sure if arthritis or shooting wore my middle finger down to where it was, but going to split three has drastically reduced the swelling and wear/tear. I can shoot more arrows with less or no pain now.
I shot the Faith bow (this year's) with two under shooting and harvested the velvet buck in that thread. Shooting a heavier bow is possible with two fingers, but it does take a toll, eventually.
Another reason for going split three is it just fits the Hill style bows I've come to love.
Each person's experience is unique.
I don't believe that it is. I will whenever someone scientifically measures the decibels using both methods with a variety bows and publishes the results.
I think Kirk's stetch makes a lot of sense. I usually shoot split 3, but switched to split 2 for a while due to a sore ring finger and definitely noticed a decrease in noise. More deflection in the string will cause more vibration, and vibration = noise. Makes sense to me.
Three under has always been a little louder than two under. A little more mass in string silencers helps. Also switching from split to three under requires a re-tune, maybe just nock point but brace height and spine also depending on where your tune is on the bell curve.
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I don't believe that it is. I will whenever someone scientifically measures the decibels using both methods with a variety bows and publishes the results.
Now THAT is funny.... :biglaugh:
QuoteOriginally posted by bama:
I don't believe that it is. I will whenever someone scientifically measures the decibels using both methods with a variety bows and publishes the results.
I agree here!!! I want to see test results. I shoot 3U and split , same bow same tune. Out to 35 yds I shoot 3U, farther I go to split. I CAN discern a difference, but louder is not really what I'm hearing but a tone difference. Someone here has to have access to a decibel tester.
Kirk's explanation makes sense to me. I do know that the string material makes a big difference in how much noise my bows make. My two favorite Wildhorse Creek longbows, have B55 stings with woolie whispers and they are as quiet as can be shooting three under.
I have Stalker longbow tillered for 3 under and it is quieter than any bow I`ve shot.Other than hill bows.RC
QuoteI agree here!!! I want to see test results. I shoot 3U and split , same bow same tune. Out to 35 yds I shoot 3U, farther I go to split. I CAN discern a difference, but louder is not really what I'm hearing but a tone difference. Someone here has to have access to a decibel tester.
I hear tone difference too. But it's not the sound of the bow. I notice when the arrow hits the target in the 3 ring it makes a "wack" kind of sound. But when the arrow hits the dot it's almost silent. Sounds crazy, I know. But I'm kinda known to be a little odd so I guess it goes with the territory.