I have a Miller Old Tom and I am new to the whole HH style Longbow. I was just wondering how many Miller bow shooters and what models out there
Wish I had one.
I have 2 Expeditions
1 Hawk
1 Split Bamboo
1 Split Bamboo on order
1 Ole'Favorite [Yew backed with Bamboo] on order
I have an Old Tom , and my wife has a "Little Hawk" :coffee:
The only issue I am having with shooting my Old Tom is consistant grip hand placement. I have always shot some kind of locator styl grip.
Maybe It's just me, but I shoot my Old Tom very well (great at 3-D shoots!) :thumbsup:
I just have to figure out a consistant grip for me. I'll get r dun
Can you post a photo of you shooting at full draw?
Are you shooting a straight grip with wedge on the belly?
Are you shooting a straight grip with wedge on the belly?
One of the most gorgeous bows made today. A genuine classic.
Miller makes a great bow
Yes it is a straight grip. I don't now about an wedges on the belly
My Old Tom is 66", 50@28, myrtle and bamboo, brown glass, completed Dec. 2010. One bow I will not sell. Just keep at it Jeff, you'll get it eventually. I'm still not 'amazing' with mine but I love the challenge.
This got off track a little.
Is there anyone out there shooting any of his unglass bows.
Yep, split bamboo. It's a little slower than glass bows, but you'll never care. Silent, silky smooth, and shoots great. It's a bow I treasure. You can get it with varying backset/SF profiles. I recommend a solid backset so it ends up either straight or a slight backset after shooting. Mine ends up a slight SF after shooting. It's the glass that adds the jump in the bow. It's one of only a couple bows I'd never sell.
For questions on form, and shooting the American Semi-Longbow, you might consider getting a copy of David's book, or the book by John Schulz, Hitting 'em like Howard Hill, which also comes as a DVD. The last two are still available from 3Rivers and maybe some other sponsors.
Old Tom, 2 Hawks, 1 split bamboo.
Like Overspined said the Split Bamboo is one of the smoothest sweetest shooting bows you will ever shoot.
I had David's book. I don't think it was very helpful in the shooting form department. More of an owner's manual to go with his bows, pretty generalized info IMHO, still a nice read but I sold it cause for me it was not worth having on the shelf as a reference, except maybe for string making or arrow making, also good info on bow setup. Had some good insights on what length bow to buy as well. For a more detailed look at shooting a Hill bow I recommend Asbell's second volume 'Instinctive Shooting 2'. Great chapter on Hill bow aiming/grip. Also Hitting Em Like Howard would be a better reference. There's also a great page on gripping a Hill bow floating on the net, can't remember the link but it can be Googled. NOT knocking David, his bows are phenomenal and I treasure my Tom pretty much above any other bow I own, just the book was a little thin on info to me. However, playing Devil's advocate I could say that he says what needs to be said and that's it...in my experience shooting a Hill bow so far I find its easiest and most effective if you don't over think it..perhaps that's what he was aiming at with such a Spartan treatise.
I took the advice of 9worlds9 and shoot today at the range. I am concentrating holding my grip as close to the shelf as I can. The little peice of leather in the grip at the shelf seems to make a good referance.
Anybody ever chrono the expedition? I m thinking someone would be curious. Already having everything one could get out of his bows Howard hill must have been looking for more efficiency. Imho.
I crono my Old tom 168
QuoteOriginally posted by jeffg:
I crono my Old tom 168
Draw weight&length,arrow weight?
55#@27 476gr arrow 28" 168fps
Can you post pics please. I am looking to buy my first HH style bow (lefty!)
(http://i.imgur.com/GFP5XkQ.jpg)
Here is a pic of mine.
nice...here I am snowed in at work in New Haven looking at Trad Gang!
I have been on Dave's build list for some time and my spot on the list is coming up. The problem is I can't decide whether to have him build a Hawk (All Wood) or a Expedition. The all wood bow sounds great, but I am worried about the longevity of the all wood bow. Anyone have any thoughts?
What is the differance between a Expedition and an Old Tom?
I have a Hawk and an Old Tom. The OT is pretty standard construction, flattened (planed) laminations and standard flat fiber glass.
My Hawk has no fiber glass and is made with what David calls "concave/convex" construction. That is the bamboo lams are not planed flat (think of nestled t-spoons. The Expedition is the same construction as the Hawk but has what I would call "contured" fiberglass on the back of the bow. It is NOT flat but conforms to the natural curve of the back of the bamboo.
IF you are worried about longevity, I would think you would like the Expedition better. The Hawk needs a little more TLC (such as unstringing) to avoid common concerns of none fiber glass bows.
Arne
Does the Expedition give anything that the Old Tom doesn't? "performance, longevity, ect"
Mine is no glass concave/convex bamboo with Tonkin Cane. David calls it "The Tonkin" and said it is one of a kind. It's 66" 51#@ 27". It's a really sweet shooter so I call it "Sweetheart" I like a deep narrow grip and David shaped it to my liking. :archer:
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Miller%203.JPG)
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Miller%201.JPG)
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/Miller%202.JPG)
(http://www.shrewbows.com/rons_linkpics/tonkin%20bow%202.JPG)
I have a Hawk, glass backed Expedition and carbon backed Expedition. The best performer is the carbon backed bow. As far as durability if the Hawk is taken care of and not overdrawn it should last a lifetime.
Expedition 46@28, "Blackie"
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Expedition/MillerExpedition18.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Expedition/MillerExpedition11.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Expedition/MillerExpedition9.jpg)
Sage 50@28
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Sage/L1000985.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Sage/MillerSage50286810.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Sage/L1000984.jpg)
Old Tom 45@28
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Miller%20Old%20Tom/Miller%7CWWallace19.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg51/rafaelmacia/Miller%20Old%20Tom/Miller%7CWWallace20.jpg)
The only ones missing (still want)...) are a Hawk, and especially a Split Bamboo in about 45-47#. Or a Sage around that #.
And ......The Favorite .... which is a Sage, but without the Osage and using Yew.
I shoot them all regularly. The Expedition is the hardest hitting. The smoothest is a toss up between the Old Tom and the Sage. I end up shooting the Old Tom more than the Sage because of the lower #'s. The Sage is probably the most beautiful.
What a harem !
Love my Miller bows !
Here is my Expedition.
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The grip was copied by David from one of Howard's personal bows. Note that there is no leather on the side plate or shelf.
Danny
Okay guys, you are not making my decision any easier. Now I am totally up in the air with all these beautiful bows. I guess I'll just have to flip a coin and put my name on his list again for the other bow that I don't choose. Very nice pictures, I really like the white glass on the Expedition, really sets the bow off nicely.
On the bows mentioned what are the specs of the limbs; straight, string follow or back set?
On mine;
the Expedition is backset,
The Sage is string follow,
The Old Tom is backset
Put your name on for any bow. He will let you know when he will be beginning, so you can finally decide then.
They are all good. Go for the one you know you want. Thinking will only confuse things.
My Expedition is 68" 55# @ 28" slight backset.
(http://i.imgur.com/pD618S9.jpg)
My Old Tom is 64" 52#@26 I pull it 27" 55#@27
Nice !
Anymore pictures of Miller Hawk or Expedition bows? Love to look at these bows while I wait on David to make my bow.
How long does it take to get a Miller built bow ?
I hear it is bout a year wait. That should tell you something.
My one and only...
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Except for this one of course... (http://i688.photobucket.com/albums/vv247/pukingguts/DSC_8086_zps2b2dde76.jpg)
Wow, some of those are beautiful, I saw the riser on Ron's bow a while ago and then saw some of the quilting in the myrtle of some of the others and was blown away. Mine is almost here, it's been in the city with UPS since Friday evening and have been chomping at the bit just waiting for mine to arrive, arghhhh
QuoteOriginally posted by jeffg:
I hear it is bout a year wait. That should tell you something.
At last it was about a year and a half. But I will check with him.
I just spoke with David today, he is taking orders. The wait time is about 18 months.
ralph
I have an "Old Tom" 68" and 60#@28" clear glass to show off the Bamboo and a nice piece of Myrtle for the riser. Looking to see how I can post pics of it I did some shooting with it for the first time the other day at 10 yards shooting with the supplied Dacron string shooting 2020's with 145 grain points. These are old arrows I have for a heavier 74# 68" Wesley Special with Ebony riser also no tip overlays like the Miller.