I have read a few post about using rubber horse mat for a backstop. I have something that works okay in my barn for winter shooting, but it is low to the ground. I really need to get level to do some form work this winter. I was going to get one of these mats to hang from my roof trusses and hang a bag in front.
There are a couple things of concern with this system. I have not read much on penetration or rebound with these. Will a mid weight bow and arrow set-up shot at 10 yd. penetrate the mat? If so how much? I want to make sure I have sufficient space being the mat if this is an issue. Second concern is will arrows bounce off the mat? Some arrows I shot have 200 gr. points and those don't penetrate the best on some materials. I don't want to be dodging arrow on closer shots blind or blank bale practice shooting.
I have one mounted on a frame I made for shooting in my basement so I don't hit the concrete wall. I shoot 55# and have not had a pass thru. It's so good I might make another to put behind my outdoor bales of excelsior.
Bill how much penetration do you get on average? How far from your wall do you have it? Do you get any rebounds?
I mounted my TSC mat on a frame made out of 2x2s to stop any errant shots behind my 3D target. I've found that with my setups a deflected arrow will bounce off the mat a couple of feet (not very much return energy), I can get penetration on direct shots but I'd say half of the time they bounce off as well.
All my bows draw 45-50# at my 30" DL and my arrows weigh in anywhere from 450-600 grains. I found that mounting the mat so it has a little "give" in the center absorbs some extra enegery on direct hit. I also positioned the mat so the bottom "ridged" section faces the shooter and I like to think that the lack of a uniform surface aids in shock absorbtion as well.
I have yet to have an arrow penetrate more than a couple of inches on my mat and I'm confident in saying that your proposed setup should work well for your purposes.
I shoot a 50# bow and have had no more than 4" of penetration. I zip tied a large piece of cardboard to when i got my daughter a bow so her arrows wouldn't bounce back at us.
I have the same TSC stall matt set up behind a bag in my backyard - up against the garage. I shoot up to 750 grain arrows and 60#s and never had a pass thru. I even shot a dull two blade broadhead into it and didn't get a pass thru - the tip went through but that was all. Don't get bounce out arrows either. Just hang the matt from the top and let the bottom swing. If you are still concerned hang some carpeting in front of the matt.
pete nailed it-that's how mine are done. I have conveyor belts in some places too, they work great if you can find them
Yep, leave the bottom loose and it'll help limit bounce backs and penetration.
Pretty much the same here. My arrows hit and just fall to the ground. I've never had to avoid being hit by a bounce back.
My brother to test it out shot my back stop from 10 ft with an 80# compound with a broadhead on the arrow. There was only about 6 inches of penetration. So as long as you let the bottom hang loose I really think you'll be ok.
When I was a kid my Dad would bring me hay bales from the dairy to use. I shot so much they wore out pretty quick, one day he brought home this mat. It was probably 4x6 feet 1 inch thick hard rubber. We put it behind the bales and it worked great.
Whatever it was it was tough, shot a Bear stainless razorhead into it and it curled all the way up the ferrule.
Now that I think about it, its probably still leaning up against the fence at the old house....
Eric
Thanks for all the input. Just got back from picking one up. They are on sale! You got to love it when that works out. I don't see where I will be shooting through one. So as long as I don't get them bounding back, this thing will be great, all but the smell anyway.
Should have done this a long time ago. I would have a lot fewer holes in my work bench, tool box...I may even get another for an outdoor range backer. I have a dirt pile, but these would be better yet and not much of an investment.
Getting ready to put a board on the top edge, put on some small chain I have and hoist it up in the barn to hang. Not a very light or easy to handle item, but I got a tractor with a loader to make short work of it. A tie down strap is a good thing to have along when you get one so you can roll it up and keep it rolled to better lift and load it.
What was the cost?
$35 for a 4'x6'. About .50 a pound. :D
That's a good price for the mat.
I have a frame-mounted mat as my outdoor backstop and a free-hanging mat as backstop in the barn. I'd hoped I would be able to hoist up the barn one with rope and pulleys, but it's quite heavy and not as easy as I'd wanted.
As for arrow hits; 45# draw weight with ~600 grain arrows. Direct hit from ~10' has just the 125 grain point barely poking out the back. A bit of a struggle to pull out, but better than the alternative :)
I think I need one of these mats. Any New Mexico guys no where I can buy one?
I used to use a horse mat,but switched to used conveyor belt from a local quarry.
My arrows would pass anywhere from a couple inches to almost complete pass throughs with the stall mat.(55-80# longbows with heavy wood arrows) It would leave a rubber burn down the side of the wood arrow.The conveyor belt has steel belting in it and the arrows don't even go past the field points now.
Me too goshawkin. Mine came from a coal mining operation. field points just bounce off. And it was free.
Go to a local auto salvage yard and pick up old rubber truck bed mats, $10-$15, close to 3/8" thick. I use a bale press which limits penetration but still get some of the shaft through the bale. I cut the mat in half, hang it from the top, and leave the bottom loose. Gives me 3/4" of protection. Even my compound won't pass thru...
I was given two rubber truck bed liners. I have them hanging in my roof covered bag target frame. They are hanging on behind the other on a 2x6 one on one side and one on the otherside. So there's a 1 1/2" space between the two and only penetrates the first but not the second.
They are a great backstop. I'll be buying one or two more for various 3d targets
I thought about a truck bed mat, but didn't know how they would work, and never thought about a salvage yard to get one. Should be able to get them about 4'x6' or 4'x8'. Should work. Maybe for the next one. Bed bat should be lighter also. Maybe I will move the stall mat outdoors in the spring and look for a bed mat for the indoor range for something a little lighter to move around.
Well I got my mat all hung in the barn yesterday. Works great! I did some intentional shooting of the mat. So far I have shoot up to 55# draw weight bow with about 600 gr. field tip arrow at as little as 5 yd. They stick in but only a little past the shoulder of the tip point. Not even showing on the backside. I can't see getting penetration through with field points unless I pound on it a lot. May try a broadhead just for fun. I think you could hang a paper target on one of these and just shoot it for a long time. Still have to try a kid's bow on it to see if they bounce back. This could be a good option for a broadhead target with a dull head.
I did find that they had two different mat's there. The one I got was 4x6 and about ¾" thick. They also had ones that were 4x4, but not as thick and with a diamond plate type top surface. Could be different people are using different ones. The one I got I can't see shooting through with anything I will ever shoot for bow and arrow weight.
Mine are hung from the rafters of my basement ceiling and are loose on the bottom. There is some free space behind all of them. (I have them mounted on all 3 sides of the target area.) I have never had one stick into the mat even when I tried-to intentionally for a safety test. The density of the material combined with the "give" by not securing the bottom is why I think they do not penetrate. I have had friends with 70+ pound bows hit them from 10 yards away and still not get any penetration with target points. Broadheads are another story as they will get caught in the mat. Arrow rebound from an arrow striking a mat has never exceed 2 yards regardless of the bow's poundage. In my experience, this is the safest setup that I know of.
I got my current mats from our local high school wrestling program when they replaced their old ones. They were going to have to pay someone to take the old ones away. I got them free for the hauling so several of my friends are now well equipped. But I know others that just use the old cow milking stall mats (as I do live in the Dairy state) from farmers.
Q73; You can try tractor supply - they have the stall mats on their site:
http://www.tractorsupply.com/rubber-horse-stall-mat-4-ft-x-6-ft--2219003
I have the TSC stall mat in back of my Rinehart deer. Saves a lot of arrow looking time especially with guests and grandkids. I bought the one about 1/2" thick and like you nailed a board across the top and hung it with a chain suspended between two trees. I also hung a section of carpet in front of it to dampen the shots. The kids bows will penetrate the carpeting but barely stick into the mat. My bows will penetrate about 3" or less.
What is TSC ?.trying to figure out where you guys buy them.
QuoteOriginally posted by champ38:
What is TSC ?
"Try Stopping Carbons" :D Just kidding,it's Tractor Supply Company.
Tractor supply, but probably at about any larger farm supply store.
Click the link up a few posts by HenrikBP.
xtrema...most arrows just bounce out. Broadheads have yet to poke thru.