All I Can Say Is WOW! I recently switched from shooting off the shelf to a Bear Weather Rest on my Predator Hunter, 46@28, 60"amo and all I can say is WOW. What a vast improvement in arrow flight and tuneability. This rest is super forgiving. Shot at the range this weekend and was very pleased with the results. Groups at 20 yards were within 4-5 inches. A flyer was within 7-8!
For installation I followed some tips on this site and another. Sand or cut away the vertical bump out so the side plate so it's flat then cut off the bottom of the rest (and flipper arm 4/3" from the top of the rest. I cut the arm just to the bottom of the Bear type) this will enable the rest to sit tighter to the shelf when installed. Take off the factory installed foam tape backing and affix Dap Contact Stick Tape (super thin, strong, contact cement tape). Add a piece of fuzz side of velcro to the shelf and stick the rest so the arm is sitting right on top of the velcro. I then moved my nocking point up to be 3/8 above the new rest location.
Very happy with the results!
Sounds like a great idea.
Can you provide some pictures please?
i did this as well on my schafer and was impressed with the impact to noise - really quieted the bow down (3 fingers under release)
Show me!! Please!
QuoteOriginally posted by Mudd:
Show me!! Please!
Me too please!
From 3 River's site:
The Weather Rest, by Bear Archery is for right hand and left hand bows. It raises your arrow off the shelf for better clearance. Works for recurve bows and longbows. No plunger hole. Adhesive backed.
Price: $3.99
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I want to see the rest with improvements made to it.
Burnsie, Mudd - sent you both an e-mail. Can't post photos to save my life!
Pete;Ron Pittsley also shoots off an elevated rest! I've been shooting off an elevated rest since Paul showed me the advantages back in 1984. (http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x132/recurvehunter_2007/ArrowRest-1.jpg) 1984 58" 65# 'Tip. Set up by Paul for me.
I shoot elevated rest off of anything but my hill bows.
I would like to see a picture of this mounted to the bow.
I have wondered about this in the past. My question is how does it affect a bows tiller to adjust the arrow placement that much further up the string? It seems that the tiller would need to change to take it to account the change in where the string is being drawn...does anybody notice a change in the arrow flight?
It seems like everyone has had good performance with the elevated rests. The question above was something I had just wondered on my own. Thanks for the pics.
Just install one ,adjust your nock point and go shoot. :archer2:
Read a similar thread a couple of weeks ago and decided to tinker with the Bear Weather rest as well. I put it on an ACS. Because it is cut well past center, I left on the little bump at the arrow pass.
Just started playing with it, and I tend to shoot high, but I'm sure my brain will compensate if I do a little more shooting. What I find amazing is the excellent arrow flight I get. I have a tendency to vertically torque the string and pluck at times as well. Even when I do those things, I still get excellent arrow flight. Will definitely be extending the trial. So far, I'm impressed.
Switched from shelf to rest this past year...won't be going back!
QuoteOriginally posted by NormanDale33:
I have wondered about this in the past. My question is how does it affect a bows tiller to adjust the arrow placement that much further up the string? It seems that the tiller would need to change to take it to account the change in where the string is being drawn...does anybody notice a change in the arrow flight?
It is a half inch. Nobody here is good enough to notice a difference with all that stuff...the only change you will see in arrow flight is that it is as good or better!
There are LH and RH versions of the Weather Rest though. I have several LH versions. Do some folks use the same rest for RH and LH? I must be missing something?
The first time I saw this was on a loaner bow Dave at Schafer sent me. It had a weather rest buried under some white moleskin. The moleskin was to make sure it stayed put in all types of conditions.
haha funny i went from the weather rest to off the shelf. something about shooting off the shelf made me feel "traditional". also for some reason i shot better off the shelf.
I use one on my Quinn Stallion and love it.
I've been using the Hoyt Flipper style since the mid 60's and just recently switched to the Hoyt Hunter..due to using heavier arrows and broadheads.
I always just peel the back off the rest and stick them on. The little build out is on the rest for a cushion.
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When I shot recurves I swore by the Hoyt hunter/bear weather rest. They are fantastic. I got bit by the traditional bug and wanted to shoot off the shelf and could not get it to work, I shoot longbows only now but if I pick up another recurve a weather rest will be the first thing going on. I love them
Glad to hear of the good results. :thumbsup:
i recently switched to a longbow and while never having tried a rest before, after some advice from a couple of guys who know, I'm going to give a whirl after I get the go ahead from my MD. (rotator surgery)
I love the Hoyt hunter rest. It's my favorite as well out of all the stick ons!
Love the shelf Pete....although i shot like crap yesterday.
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Does it ever make noise when you draw an arrow across it in cold weather conditions?
Not with the Hoyt Pro Hunter. It's a quiet rubber/plastic compound. Some of the cheaper nockoffs are louder. I'll pay the extra $.51 (yes 51 cents!) or so for the hoyt. The bear weatherrest is also good and costs a couple bucks more.
For less than $5 for any of these options, I will never be without! Most of them are less than $3!
Does anyone know why arrow flight improves with an elevated rest, technically speaking?
Must have sparked an interest in this product. 3 Rivers is out of these rests. :dunno:
Take care , Randy
3 of the 4 Women's medal finalists in the 2012 Olympics were using the $2.50 Hoyt Super Rest
QuoteOriginally posted by rlc1959:
Must have sparked an interest in this product. 3 Rivers is out of these rests. :dunno:
Take care , Randy
We have some, not on the site, e-mail if you need help.
I shoot the Weatherests on all of my recurves, I also get better flight and groups. I shoot 3 under and using the rest on factory bows or any bow not tillered for 3 under helps move your draw fingers closer to the split position the bow is tillered for too.
I have been using one for years and also cut it to lower it.
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I don't understand the purpose of lowering it. Seems like feathers would hit shelf..defeating part of the "elevated" rest function.
Have you guys seen the tooth brush set up? you modify it and do the same thing. seems pretty neat!
I'm wondering the same thing Hoyt. It may be though that archer's paradox puts the fletching away from the shelf anyway as the arrow passes over?
QuoteOriginally posted by Bowwild:
I'm wondering the same thing Hoyt. It may be though that archer's paradox puts the fletching away from the shelf anyway as the arrow passes over?
It doesn't matter for feathers so much. With vanes I found I needed to have the rest set high enough for the vanes to clear the shelf, archers paradox or not. I must not have enough archers paradox...
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve O:
QuoteOriginally posted by NormanDale33:
I have wondered about this in the past. My question is how does it affect a bows tiller to adjust the arrow placement that much further up the string? It seems that the tiller would need to change to take it to account the change in where the string is being drawn...does anybody notice a change in the arrow flight?
It is a half inch. Nobody here is good enough to notice a difference with all that stuff...the only change you will see in arrow flight is that it is as good or better! [/b]
You haven't seen me shoot :laughing: I figured it must not make a difference if it seems to improve flight. Thanks for the response Steve-O.
Do people using the elevated rest shoot instinctive, or sue some gap style? I'm asking since the closer the arrow is to your hand the better for instinctive shooting, work better for me that way.
Instinctive (whatever that means). I don't think about any difference between it and off the shelf. I don't notice anything different in the sight picture.
I'm saying instinctive as G Fred Asbel see's it, not using the arrow in your aiming. Just wondering.
I didn't think that a lot of trad shooter where using them, elevated rest that is.
Cheers
Can someone tell me why my bottom hen feather gets fuzzy on the edges when shooting the Hoyt Hunter rest. I shoot 3 under with the cock feather at the 9 o'clock position as I touch it to my nose. 52 pound recurve, gold tip xt 400 cut 29 1/4 bop, 175 grain point with 50grain brass insert, 3 four inch left wing feathers, drawing to 28 inches. Moved nock point up and down until I have perfect flight. When I do my part,I can hit a coke cap from 20 yards. Just strange that the feather is fuzzing on the edge.
I shoot instinctive 3 under and LOVE my elevated rests. I did the Asbel thing for years and at the time I honestly believed in the whole "arrow close to your hand" thing. Couldn't be more untrue ...at least for me! That style of shooting and concept did more to make my TP worse than anything else. Don't get me wrong...I did well hunting and competing but now know I could have done better.
I think people don't use them because they haven't tried them...or think they are not "trad" enough.
I encourage everyone to try one....don't know till you try.
QuoteOriginally posted by David Yukon:
I'm saying instinctive as G Fred Asbel see's it, not using the arrow in your aiming. Just wondering.
I didn't think that a lot of trad shooter where using them, elevated rest that is.
Cheers
It is physically IMPOSSIBLE not to use your arrow to aim when you shoot a bow. It is in front of your EYES! You can't not see it unless you are shooting with your eyes closed.
Next time you have your bow drawn back, wiggle the pinky of your anchored bow hand while looking down range. You will see THAT, so how can you not see the arrow in front of your eyes...
No matter how much you say you are not using it, your brain is a LOT smarter than you are and it is using everything it can to AIM your arrow.
So,
EVERYBODY gap shoots :eek: Some deliberately use the arrow to aim, some unconsciously. Most "instinctive" shooters have shot so much and are so good with the gap it is a smooth, effortless process.
Here is an accurate statement: The only instinctive shot an archer makes is his first.
Anyway, it may take you two or three shots after shooting for years either off the shelf or off a rest for your brain to adjust to the other, but it will, and it will quickly.
Those illustrations we see all the time with the hand and the thumb extended showing the difference between the shelf and an elevated rest and straight vs. canted bow are GREATLY exaggerated.
There is a half inch difference between the shelf and a rest...your brain can handle it!
Here is how I handle the difference between off the shelf and elevated.
Off the shelf I shoot split fingers. (1 above, 2 under) Elevated rest I shoot 3 fingers under with the rest located a finger width above the shelf.
Guess what You have the exact same sight picture. I can go back and forth with no problems. I do like elevated best because I like to shoot vanes for their durability and rain advantage.
Way more trad archers shot elevated rest than you would think. They were big when trad archery was just archery.
It is not so much the feathers contacting the shelf that makes shooting of the shelf harder. It is mostly the shaft contact with the shelf. Sometimes the base of the feather running hard in the shelf can cause you some issues, most of the time the issue is vertical flex of the shaft on the shelf that causes inconsistencies.
Feather wear when using a rest is likely the feather running on the rest arm. I would guess too stuff an arrow.
When I started shooting seriously in the middle 60's I shot a lot of Field Round Tournaments and everybody I saw used elevated rests. That's why I asked about why lowering them closer to the shelf. I figured the recurve bows back then anyway were built and tillered for elevated rests.
I shoot seeing the point of my arrow in my peripheral vision raising it up or down as needed out to whatever my point-on is and then I aim with the point of my arrow like it was a front sight on a barrel..(not peripheral vision at those distances.)
I also shoot the bear weather rest. I shoot some off the shelf too. I like the elevated rest even on my self bows. I'm not worried if a caveman would do it to not. More so in arrow flight. I use elevated rests when I give bows away so they ca shoot vanes or feathers. Makes things simpler.
I don't bother cutting the rest up I just stick it on. Most of my bows are cut to center or near so the thickness of the rest is no problem.
Wow... great thread! I've never tried one either but I will now. I remember my father having a real flimsy Hoyt rest on the first bow I can recall him shotting... interesting
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve O:
QuoteOriginally posted by David Yukon:
I'm saying instinctive as G Fred Asbel see's it, not using the arrow in your aiming. Just wondering.
I didn't think that a lot of trad shooter where using them, elevated rest that is.
Cheers
It is physically IMPOSSIBLE not to use your arrow to aim when you shoot a bow. It is in front of your EYES! You can't not see it unless you are shooting with your eyes closed.
Next time you have your bow drawn back, wiggle the pinky of your anchored bow hand while looking down range. You will see THAT, so how can you not see the arrow in front of your eyes...
No matter how much you say you are not using it, your brain is a LOT smarter than you are and it is using everything it can to AIM your arrow.
So, EVERYBODY gap shoots :eek: Some deliberately use the arrow to aim, some unconsciously. Most "instinctive" shooters have shot so much and are so good with the gap it is a smooth, effortless process.
Here is an accurate statement: The only instinctive shot an archer makes is his first.
Anyway, it may take you two or three shots after shooting for years either off the shelf or off a rest for your brain to adjust to the other, but it will, and it will quickly.
Those illustrations we see all the time with the hand and the thumb extended showing the difference between the shelf and an elevated rest and straight vs. canted bow are GREATLY exaggerated.
There is a half inch difference between the shelf and a rest...your brain can handle it! [/b]
AMEN, Steve O couldn't have said it better.
Reason elevated rest user obtain better flight is all about fletch clearance.
Why are some of you putting velcro on the shelf underneath your elevated rest? Seems to me to be counter productive-just another thing to grab ones fletching.
A feather rest is another form of an elevated rest-most likely the first type made.
20+ year old dura flip on my widow. Group from 12 yards
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Kelly, I'm pretty sure the velcro or fleece under rests is for hunting purposes. Anyone who has had the arrow fall off the rest onto the shelf knows the noise it makes. That, or people are in transition from shelf to rest and leave the velcro there in case they go back to shelf shooting. Those are my guesses...Ryan
SteveO, I disagree in the sense that just because you see something doesn't mean you are focused on it. Kind of like shooting a handgun whether you point shoot (instinctive no sights) or focus on the front sight or on both. When I point shoot, the gun is in front of my face, but I do not use the sights at all. They do not register in my vision. I would shoot exactly the same if the sights were ground off of the gun or if there are there. That means I do not use the sights at all when I point shoot.
I guess it depends on your definition of instinctive. Of course, that can be it's own topic.
Same can be said for an arrow. Just because it is there in my blurred, periphreal vision does not mean that it is used to "sight" your shot in.
I may be wrong but i dont think rick Welch looks at the end of his arrow
I just so happen to have one of these rest laying around and will give it a try this weekend to see if it improves....anything.
Curiosity is getting the best of me.
you cant go wrong rick, and for 3 bucks, if you hate it just rip it off and throw it away.
I need to go pickup like half a dozen more of these.
What's everyones opinion of one elevetaed rest vs another? like bear vs hoyt vs duraflip etc. I've only used the bear cause it seems easier to find. They all look basically the same, just curious who's had experience with more than one.
i used them on my flat shelf recurves but the first time one broke (yes they will break) i went to using a piece of leather under my arrow and never had any troule with it.
arrow what arrow...i dont see no stinkin arrow!!!
hill country bobcat, same arrows 12 yards
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I like the hoyt pro hunter better. It's a bit softer and quieter as well as a bit smaller.
I don't think it is possible not to register the arrow in your line of site our keep your brain from using it rather you know it our not. That is my experience based on archery, handguns and extensive shotgun target shooting.
Didn't Dale from Black Widow in one of the MOBB videos say he could shoot a light spot in the dark because he didn't have to sse the arrow, and have to say he tried it and couldn't?
Suppose it could be personal. I can throw a ball, shoot a gun, or a bow in the dark and have no issue hitting a light spot (or darn close to it :-)).
Weather rest, Hoyt pro rest, flipper rests, feather rest, raised bump under Velcro.
It's all personal preference and it's all about improved arrow/feather clearance whether you can see the arrow or not.
Sure doesn't cost much to try something different.
Maybe an elevated rest isn't "traditional" enough or even too "gadgety" for some, but hitting the spot you're shooting at (especially on a live animal) is what is important. We owe it to the animals we hunt to be as good as we can be. If an elevated rest helps, by all means shoot off of one.
I used Bear weather rests exclusively in my wheelie days and if I had stuck with what worked for me back in 1989 when I switched to recurves the transition would have been more pleasant.
Trap
Sorry for getting the thread off track. We will disagree on "instinctive" shooting. I don't think you guys are giving your eyes or brain enough credit!
Anyway, I have found the Hoyt Super Rest to be more forgiving than the Weatherest and it has proven very dependable in the field. I have tried a bunch of different stick ons and now have a dozen Hoyts tucked away just in case.
What Steve says about the hoyt rest! :thumbsup:
Steve, sent you a pm with some thoughts
X2 what khardrunner said. I can go out back in the dark and shoot flames out of birthday candles. I can not see anything but the flame. Guys that use the point of there arrow also can't shoot a small sight window when shooting 50 yards. I can, but this subject has been debated for a long time. It's a lossing battle.
I do love shooting off the rest. I can shoot 500 axis with a 150 gr point cut at 27" off my 47# recurve. With out the rest the arrows are not tuned to my bow.
Gonna have to try this.
Too many guys I admire here advocating it. Just ordered my new 3R's catalog.
I have used the Bear off and on over the years and had one on a bow this fall. I will have to check out the Hoit rests. I like the looks of them. I have not always been the happiest with the way my arrow sets on the Bear.
Regardless of what you can do in the dark or with hand eye coordination like throwing a ball, if your eyes can see it, your brain will use it on an unconscious level rather you like it or not. Your brain uses the arrow and the bow in your line of site and other things yu see to judge things including distance. Just ask someone with target panic how powerful the subconscious mind is in shooting. How often do you even think about the lines on the road and try to drive between them?
Who sells the Hoyt rest ? Braveheart has the Bear rest in stock.
Thanks, Randy
Lancaster Archery.... not a sponser but they have them
I agree xtrema... the point is, the subconsious mind is what controls instinct and therefore subconsious aiming is instinctively built into us.
IMO Trap hit the nail on the head! KYArcher
how do feather rests compare? I have never tried that and think I might
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Anyway, I have found the Hoyt Super Rest to be more forgiving than the Weatherest and it has proven very dependable in the field. I have tried a bunch of different stick ons and now have a dozen Hoyts tucked away just in case.
Steve, if you can, post a pict of your rest on your bow... the same one you sent me a while back.
Can't now but it is the white one on page 2
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve O:
Can't now but it is the white one on page 2
I couldn't remember if you had trimmed a little bit off the bottom in order to bring the actual rest part down a bit or if you stuck it on as is???
If you are wanting to shoot and compete in many of the traditional classes at various shoots you will find that an elevated rest is not allowed in many of them.
Just a word of advice be sure to check the rules.
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Hoyt Super Rest
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Modified Jennings flipper-type rest
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Feather Rest
Trap
QuoteOriginally posted by Ibow:
QuoteOriginally posted by Steve O:
Can't now but it is the white one on page 2
I couldn't remember if you had trimmed a little bit off the bottom in order to bring the actual rest part down a bit or if you stuck it on as is??? [/b]
No, I run them higher off the shelf than most to make sure any vane I use clears the shelf.
I trim the top half with the "bump" off to keep the center shot closer to center.
As far as competing, I never have and I never will. All I care about is bowhunting and making sure my hunting setup will work in any condition Alaska or other wilderness setting will throw at me.
Thanks!
Thanks for all the replies boys!
trap very cool!! thats exactly the post I was looking for. Got to try that with the hoyt on my widow. and i think i will try the feather rest on my bobcat
Always wanted to try a feather rest. Maybe at the Kalamazoo expo i will get my hands on the new 59 Kodiak.
I said I was going to give an elevated rest a shot and this is what I found out.
DID NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. With that said, I did not notice any improvements/benifits with arrow flight versus shooting off the shelf. If you have a well tuned arrow and bow combination with either method and it works, then I believe it just comes down to personal preference to fuel the confidence.
Now, it may have made a difference if I was going to shoot vanes, but don't plan on that happening.
Fun experimenting anyway.
Did some playing this weekend with a Bear Weatherrest on my Silvertip - after getting it set on the riser, adjusted the nock, shot bare shaft, then with feathers. Arrows flew great! A few minor adjustments to make, but so far very impressed.