Since I don't want to hijack a topic, I start a new one. A big German archery supplier gives a 30 years warranty on his bows, no matter what weight of the arrow you shot.
Some of you were reacting and talking about 5 GPP.
I ask you: it will be tuff to even get under the 8GPP! Woodies you can forget; they are from 450 grains up to higher in weight. For a heigher drawweight you will need a stiffer spine, so the weight of the arrow goes up. So you will always stay around the 8 GPP automatically. Most European archers shoot 50lbs as max. So you will always be safe with wooden arrows.
Maybe you can push the limits for carbon, but normally you will end around the 8 as minimum, if you try hard...
For more questions you can PM me.
it's just a marketing ploy, plain and simple. pure nonsense hype.
and you're right - who's going to shoot an arrow much less than 8gpp, let alone 6 or 5 or 4 gpp? that's insane and only flight archers are shooting those kinda arrow weights.
their (bearpaw) bow designs, materials and crafting are no different from hundreds of other stickbows available today. their bows will blow up as easily as any others, and if not the bow limbs shattering it will be the arrows.
it's not at all hard to construct a carbon arrow (not a hunting arrow!) that's in the 300 grain range and 28" long. fire that out of your 50# stick bow and hear/see what happens. :scared:
none of this has anything to do with trad bowhunting, i'll keep this thread open for a bit and let's see how fast it'll get closed up. :saywhat: :D
Sorry folks, a lot of people used to and still do use arrows less than 8 grains per pound successfully. I hunted for several years with a 68# Marriah using the old Beeman 2300 & 2400 that weighed in at 325 grains (just went into the archery room and weighed one). I used 125 grain Thunderheads, total weight 450 grains, which equates to 6.62 grains pound of bow weight. With that setup the arrow passed through around 75% of the deer and one of two elk. My brother was using 85 grain Thunderheads in the same arrows from his seventy two pound Schafer with similar results; that's 5.7/pound of draw weight. The Marriah was shooting fine when I traded it eight years back and so was the Schafer when brother Bob sold it.
QuoteOriginally posted by Walt Francis:
Sorry folks, a lot of people used to and still do use arrows less than 8 grains per pound successfully. I hunted for several years with a 68# Marriah using the old Beeman 2300 & 2400 that weighed in at 325 grains (just went into the archery room and weighed one). I used 125 grain Thunderheads, total weight 450 grains, which equates to 6.62 grains pound of bow weight. With that setup the arrow passed through around 75% of the deer and one of two elk. My brother was using 85 grain Thunderheads in the same arrows from his seventy two pound Schafer with similar results; that's 5.7/pound of draw weight. The Marriah was shooting fine when I traded it eight years back and so was the Schafer when brother Bob sold it.
i hear ya walt, and fully understand. not many guys shooting 7gpp or under. if ya do, if i did, bearpaw would be the way to go. :saywhat:
however, if you read the bearpaw warranty, it clearly states that any and all arrows can be shot out of their bows and all will be warranty covered. 4gpp, 3gpp, 2gpp? yikes!!!!
Rob,
Been a long time since I shot that setup, learned my lesson the hard way. I put one of those arrows, only tipped with a Magnus I, between the eyes of a mountain lion at three yards and only got about four inches of penetration; he walked away. Been using around 9-11 grains per pound of draw weight since.
I'm lucky regarding the warranty on the bows I shoot, I only have to look in the mirror to try and press the issue with the bowyer. ;)
The point I was trying to make is twenty years back most of us (at least in Montana) were hunting with a lot less than the "8 grain" minimum and all the Montana bowyer's were warranting their product. I may be miss-remembering, but Dave had Schafer bows for a couple of years before he instituted the 8 grain stipulation on his warranty.
QuoteOriginally posted by Walt Francis:
Sorry folks, a lot of people used to and still do use arrows less than 8 grains per pound successfully. I hunted for several years with a 68# Marriah using the old Beeman 2300 & 2400 that weighed in at 325 grains (just went into the archery room and weighed one). I used 125 grain Thunderheads, total weight 450 grains, which equates to 6.62 grains pound of bow weight. With that setup the arrow passed through around 75% of the deer and one of two elk. My brother was using 85 grain Thunderheads in the same arrows from his seventy two pound Schafer with similar results; that's 5.7/pound of draw weight. The Marriah was shooting fine when I traded it eight years back and so was the Schafer when brother Bob sold it.
Wow. 5.7 GPP is pretty low. Glad to know it nothing happen to that bow. But isn't it becoming too loud for hunting?
I actually had a guy shooting around a 6.7 gpp arrow in my static set up at 47# and it still was very quiet. I only recommend the 9.0 gpp setup as a warranty issue as studies have suggested. People have done numerous studies on these glass bows with the gpp and when they stopped blowing up was around the 9.0 gpp and that is I believe the warranties started with that. Now some do offer the 8.0 gpp warranty but that is with those individual bowyers. I was told this story by John Girardi of Old Mastercrafters. He has been around the business for alot of years, so I feel confident in what he has told me.
I have seen glass bows blow up, just crack in the riser and horizontal cracks in the glass, usually the lower limbs mostly.
Good shooting
QuoteOriginally posted by Flying Dutchman:
Since I don't want to hijack a topic, I start a new one. A big German archery supplier gives a 30 years warranty on his bows, no matter what weight of the arrow you shot.
Some of you were reacting and talking about 5 GPP.
I ask you: it will be tuff to even get under the 8GPP! Woodies you can forget; they are from 450 grains up to higher in weight. For a heigher drawweight you will need a stiffer spine, so the weight of the arrow goes up. So you will always stay around the 8 GPP automatically. Most European archers shoot 50lbs as max. So you will always be safe with wooden arrows.
Maybe you can push the limits for carbon, but normally you will end around the 8 as minimum, if you try hard...
For more questions you can PM me.
Interesting topic Ad. I think you are right in saying most arrows tuned properly will be of a reasonable weight. There are some exceptions though. Most commonly those who have a short draw and those who shoot a non centre shot bow. With a short draw you can choose the lightest spine carbon and stiffen it up significantly by cutting it short. Then the GPP goes below 8 quite easily.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8215/8377594711_1ce121a965_z.jpg)
But comparing a 26" draw to a 31" draw of the same draw weight, there is a waaaay less energy going into damaging the bow. If you take an extreme example I can dry fire my bow at 9" draw length (plucking the string by 1" at 0 GPP) all day without worrying about damaging it. The same GPP but at different draw length clearly isn't the same when it comes to destroying the bow. By this I think Bearpaw must have concluded going by GPP is not a good way to determine amount of abuse to the bow.
The bows were quiet. We had them tuned to the optimum brace heights, used loose fitting nock's, and beaver balls for string silencers. In fact my Marriah Thermal was quieter with the 68# limbs then it was with the 47# limbs shooting the weaker spine Beemans, which were within a few grains (5-10) of the others.
any attempted "logic" for really low gpp arrows (under 9 or 8) doesn't fly well for the vast majority of trad bowhunters. we fully understand the benefits and NEED for high gpp arrows. it's really that simple.
once again, this is a trad bowhunting forum and not about target or flight archery.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
once again, this is a trad bowhunting forum and not about target or flight archery.
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I dissagree............... this IS about bowhunting unless there is some rule I am not aware of about hunting with light arrows. 29" 200 series carbon with a 75 gr. wasp for a total weight of 328 grains out of a 59# recurve is a fantatic hunting set-up. I personally don't have a problem if you hunt with a heavy arrow.
QuoteOriginally posted by Rob DiStefano:
any attempted "logic" for really low gpp arrows (under 9 or 8) doesn't fly well for the vast majority of trad bowhunters. we fully understand the benefits and NEED for high gpp arrows. it's really that simple.
once again, this is a trad bowhunting forum and not about target or flight archery.
Bowhunting for large game is what you meant and I fully agree. I believe a lighter arrow will kill birds, rabbits, squirrels and frogs as dead as they do from a heavy arrow.
a warranty that covers your bow for 30 years no matter whats shot of that, I personally don't see whats wrong with that, fire away I say!
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
I dissagree............... this IS about bowhunting unless there is some rule I am not aware of about hunting with light arrows. 29" 200 series carbon with a 75 gr. wasp for a total weight of 328 grains out of a 59# recurve is a fantatic hunting set-up. I personally don't have a problem if you hunt with a heavy arrow.
there's an exception to everything and i'm glad that 5.6gpp arrow works well for you, indeed. very cool.
however, realistically, i believe you are in the vast minority of trad bowhunters, and messing with light gpp arrows is like playing with a compressed powder rifle reload. surely can and has been done, but not something everyone should be doing.
QuoteOriginally posted by deadpool:
a warranty that covers your bow for 30 years no matter whats shot of that, I personally don't see whats wrong with that, fire away I say!
i think yer missing the whole point. think about all of this again and put it in the context of your trad bowhunting and your personal safety.
A thirty year warranty isn't worth the paper its written on folks. No man knows the future a year from now , much less what is going to be in place or not in place in thirty years. Its gargage no matter what the companys intentions are.
God bless you all, Steve
I think you guys have your heads in the sand regarding the light arrows and warranty...many 3d archers that hunt use light arrows and what about the guys of old...Fred Bear himself used the 125gr Bear razorheads and certainly killed a lot of animals and I don't think they were worrying about whether their arrows were too light or not.
It sounds a bit protectionist regarding slamming Bearpaw...they have put their warranty out there and good for them...they obviously have confidence in their product.
I see Kustom King who is one of your bigger sponsors sell a lot of their product including some of their bows...oh that's right...not made in the USA so must not be any good!!
QuoteOriginally posted by CurlyMcFletch:
I think you guys have your heads in the sand regarding the light arrows and warranty...many 3d archers that hunt use light arrows and what about the guys of old...Fred Bear himself used the 125gr Bear razorheads and certainly killed a lot of animals and I don't think they were worrying about whether their arrows were too light or not.
It sounds a bit protectionist regarding slamming Bearpaw...they have put their warranty out there and good for them...they obviously have confidence in their product.
I see Kustom King who is one of your bigger sponsors sell a lot of their product including some of their bows...oh that's right...not made in the USA so must not be any good!!
compounds are *totally* different animals than trad stickbows, and they can and do deal with really low gpps. this forum is about trad stickbows, leave the wheelbows out. period.
this isn't about foc and 125 grain heads, it's about the total mass weight of an arrow with respect to the trad bow's holding weight.
no one is saying that bearpaw is producing a bad product. more power to them with their seemingly unlimited warranty.
here's what's not so good - their warranty policy is pure hype and a marketing strategy, the vast majority of trad bowhunters are using gpps in the 9 and way above range, heavy arrows penetrate better than light arrows for killing critters, messing with uber light gpps and stickbows is like messing with nitro and someone could get hurt.
your insinuation about a non-usa product is uncalled for and has nothing to do with this matter.
All warranties are a hype and marketing strategy...check out any of the car/truck commercials on t.v. The best part of this is it's transferable...if I am correct Alaska Bowhunting has a similar warranty on the Carbon Nano bow too...a lifetime warranty that is transferable and they shoot light arrows out of their bow. What I am saying is that good for Bearpaw in stepping up...if other bowyers aren't comfortable with providing that warranty, maybe they are not confident in their product...nuff said!!
I understand from a safety point of view that shooting under 7gpp can be a health hazard, but I'm sure we've all had that friend that picked up a bow for the very first time in their lives, that so happened to be yours that decided to dry fire it, causing serious damage, a warranty like that would be great!
I have asked this question to at least 3 well known bowyers whose names you would recognize who don't publish a minimum gpp, and they have all responded with a number under 8 gpp. The usual response has been around 7 gpp. Some years ago, I was into shooting low weight arrows to improve my 3D scores, but I eventually came to realize that the bow was much more pleasant to shoot if the arrows were at least 8.5 gpp or higher, and that at my level, it would be hard to tell the effect on my scores anyway.
I'm not stating the names, because they may have reasons of their own for not publishing a minimum gpp, and if you're interested, you can ask before you buy a bow.
Frankly I'm not impressed with warranties on bows-or much else for that matter. Do some homework, buy a good product from a reputable vendor and a warranty is no big deal. If my bows have a warranty I have never looked at it, I know my bowyer stands behind his work.
If I see a long warranty on a car I assume people are having reliability problems and the manufacturer has no choice-no thanks! :biglaugh:
Like what Curly and Deadpool said I don't see anything wrong with providing 30years warranty with no gpp restrictions. Even if you must hunt with a heavy arrow. When hunting season is over, its nice to be able to shoot a lighter arrow for 3d without worrying about void warranties.
I do fully understand Rob's point regarding the dangers of going below 9gpp. When you shoot a lighter arrow less energy is transfered to the arrow and what remains goes to the bow. How much depends on the efficiency of the design. A bow with 80% dynamic efficiency @10 gpp will have 20% energy left that must be dissipated by the bow. However shooting even 5 gpp arrow cannot be compared to having a dry fire. Efficiency does not fall off a cliff once you go below 9gpp as suggested. It just creeps lower and lower. Most modern recurve bows should still have about 75% efficiency at 7gpp. that's only marginally more energy dissipated by the bow compared to 10gpp. Hardly a cause for concern.
The benefit to the buyer is you don't have to deal with a bowyer claiming you shot an arrow to light and you don't have warranty should a failure happen. Also the fact the warranty is transferable if you sell it, or buy used is a plus.
Personaly I like arrows weighing 12 to 14 gr/#. It is nice to see a company close up the weazle out clauses in writing. The warranty is certainly better than, one year for the first owner only, or 1 that depreciates each year by 50% or some of the other many clauses we read in warrantys that void the warranty.
Well done Alaska Bowhunting and BearPaw.
QuoteOriginally posted by Pete W:
The benefit to the buyer is you don't have to deal with a bowyer claiming you shot an arrow to light and you don't have warranty should a failure happen. Also the fact the warranty is transferable if you sell it, or buy used is a plus.
Personaly I like arrows weighing 12 to 14 gr/#. It is nice to see a company close up the weazle out clauses in writing. The warranty is certainly better than, one year for the first owner only, or 1 that depreciates each year by 50% or some of the other many clauses we read in warrantys that void the warranty.
Well done Alaska Bowhunting and BearPaw.
Well said and I would love to see your review of the Bodnik Quick stick and Caribow Slynx.
QuoteOriginally posted by Pete W:
The benefit to the buyer is you don't have to deal with a bowyer claiming you shot an arrow to light and you don't have warranty should a failure happen. Also the fact the warranty is transferable if you sell it, or buy used is a plus.
Personaly I like arrows weighing 12 to 14 gr/#. It is nice to see a company close up the weazle out clauses in writing. The warranty is certainly better than, one year for the first owner only, or 1 that depreciates each year by 50% or some of the other many clauses we read in warrantys that void the warranty.
Well done Alaska Bowhunting and BearPaw.
+1
after seeing results a guy on archerytalk is getting with light arrows (350gr) and 1.5" Rage mechanicals from a 47# bow I think lighter would work fine with COC heads. He is using a ILF bow with extreme BF limbs though and has a 29" draw so that helps alot im sure. Think my 3d arrows for my titan are like 7GPP and shoot great. Do see teh concern for safty though on the really light arrows
This thread is going to be more interesting then I thought... :)
For your information: I am an 3D archer, because hunting is forbidden in our small country.
As for arrow weight: I prefer a weight between the 9 and 10 GPP; even thought it is targets only. I wouldn't think about shooting under 8GPP! For me it is very easy to buy Bearpaw bows and I even started with one. All I shoot by now are American bows.
The only thing to worry about with arrows too light is if you try and stretch the limits it can have a similar result as a dry fire. All it takes is a few grains too light and one shot to cause a delam. Why take the chance?
Sure you got it last year, it's under warrentee, it's simple, oops I guess that arrow was too light. Then you got the bowyer that needs to honor his warrentee, he wasn't there when the bow broke, he'll just take your word for it, and replace it. Wondering the whole time "what did I do wrong on this one" when it's a simple matter of the arrow was too light.
All for what? 10 more feet per second?
Just keep it at least 8 gpp and don't take the chance. (10 gpp is better)
Since I am a bow hunter first, I just don't understand why anyone would want to shoot a different setup at 3D targets than his/her hunting setup. I want to be confident that when I draw on an animal I know what the trajectory of my arrow will be. If I make a bad hit or even a miss on a rubber target...big deal. A bad hit on a critter is not so good. I want my target arrows to weigh and fly exactly like my hunting arrows. I also want them as close to 10 grains per pound of draw as I can get for the best combination of trajectory and penetration.
That said, I see no reason to pull this thread. Seems bowhunting related to me. We don't have to agree on everything do we?
/My question is this, What good is any warranty if the bowyer, Bow company is no longer in business. Who is going to guarantee that Bearpaw or any other company or person is going to be in business next year , much less thirty years from now. The best warranty anyone can honestly give you is that if I am alive and able I will replace , fix your bow. Period. Anything else is pure speculation.
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Its absolutely worthless,.
God bless you all, Steve
My previous post on this thread contained a typo. 328 grain arrow from 59# recurve should have read 49# recurve. Fat fingers will do that some time. I build all the bows I shoot myself so there is unlimited warranty even with light arrows. Seriously, I think arrow weight ratio is a personal preference and each person has the right to shot what ever they feel best suits their needs.
On the other hand..........I can see the concern of the professional bowyer where warranty would be an issue. I will let them work that out with their customers.
James, I build all my own bows so there is ABSOLUTELY ZERO WARRANTY regardless of arrow weight. Just curse words and temper tantrums.
To chime in on the arrow weight, I don't stress out too much on the exact arrow weight. I draw only 25" so that limits my stored energy/momentum etc. As a result I favor an arrow of 450-500grains. I dont think thats a heavy arrow by any measure, but it's no lightweight screamer either. I'm usually shooting 40-60lbs at my draw weight, so anywhere from 7.5gpp to 12gpp. If a 45# bow is ok to hunt at 10gpp, a 60# bow is fine to hunt at 7.5gpp. Botha re 450grain arrows. FWIW fine doesnt necessarily mean ideal.
I'm going to push the limits here and say that even with "less than traditional" bows, I would not be hunting with light weight arrows.
I think the nearly silent "Swoooosh" of the string on a clean release with a properly weighted and spined arrow is more gratifying than a superfast super flat shooting arrow anyday.
I'm just sittin' here drinking coffee, listening to the grown-ups talk! I shoot 8 gpp, but really...thanks for the lesson!..... Dutchman!! You are cool. Heavy arrows just for 3D. Best Wishes!
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesV:
My previous post on this thread contained a typo. 328 grain arrow from 59# recurve should have read 49# recurve. Fat fingers will do that some time. I build all the bows I shoot myself so there is unlimited warranty even with light arrows. Seriously, I think arrow weight ratio is a personal preference and each person has the right to shot what ever they feel best suits their needs.
On the other hand..........I can see the concern of the professional bowyer where warranty would be an issue. I will let them work that out with their customers.
My thoughts as well. I believe Kegan from Omega longbow also shoots below 8gpp. Gpp should not the only factor in equation whether the bow survives. For me I don't feel the need to shoot below 9gpp but I can't speak for someone else with a much shorter draw.
I realy can not understand the spitefull negative comments.
QuoteOriginally posted by RecurveRookie:
I'm just sittin' here drinking coffee, listening to the grown-ups talk! I shoot 8 gpp, but really...thanks for the lesson!..... Dutchman!! You are cool. Heavy arrows just for 3D. Best Wishes!
I know I am cool:) But I have no choice.... I shoot wooden arrows and my bows are between the 45 and 50 lbs. My woodies are around the 450 grains. That's the reason why I shoot heavy arrows..they are autmatically between the 9 and 10 GPP...
But now I am working on some carbons. They will be around the 8.5 to 8.9 GPP.....
QuoteOriginally posted by Flying Dutchman:
QuoteOriginally posted by RecurveRookie:
I'm just sittin' here drinking coffee, listening to the grown-ups talk! I shoot 8 gpp, but really...thanks for the lesson!..... Dutchman!! You are cool. Heavy arrows just for 3D. Best Wishes!
I know I am cool:) But I have no choice.... I shoot wooden arrows and my bows are between the 45 and 50 lbs. My woodies are around the 450 grains. That's the reason why I shoot heavy arrows..they are autmatically between the 9 and 10 GPP...
But now I am working on some carbons. They will be around the 8.5 to 8.9 GPP..... [/b]
What's your draw length Ad? How far are those typical targets on your 3d course and do you need to arc the arrow trajectory much to get them?
If you really want a light arrow for 3-d or target , my Titan ILF needs 5-6 GPP to be safe.I hunt with the limbbolts bottomed out at 50# with heavier arrows and back up to 45# and a light arrow for indoor shooting in winter. My ILF rig is not as good looking as my Dye, Hummingbird, or Widow-- but it is almost bulletproof. Agree that everyone should shoot what they want-- as long as it is safe. Thanks, Roy
QuoteOriginally posted by Nativestranger:
QuoteOriginally posted by Flying Dutchman:
QuoteOriginally posted by RecurveRookie:
I'm just sittin' here drinking coffee, listening to the grown-ups talk! I shoot 8 gpp, but really...thanks for the lesson!..... Dutchman!! You are cool. Heavy arrows just for 3D. Best Wishes!
I know I am cool:) But I have no choice.... I shoot wooden arrows and my bows are between the 45 and 50 lbs. My woodies are around the 450 grains. That's the reason why I shoot heavy arrows..they are autmatically between the 9 and 10 GPP...
But now I am working on some carbons. They will be around the 8.5 to 8.9 GPP..... [/b]
What's your draw length Ad? How far are those typical targets on your 3d course and do you need to arc the arrow trajectory much to get them? [/b]
My drawlength is 29. The lbs of 45 between 50 is at that drawlenght.The typical distance of targets is between the 20 and 70 yards, depending on how big the target is. At close range it is pheasants, rats, ducks and stuff like that, at 70 yards it are grizzleys and elks.
Since I shoot very fast bows and low-FOC (9 to 10%) arra's, the trajectory is very flat, even at distances like 70 yards.I hardly compensate. I only need to compensate with my 45lbs Peregrine. But with that bow I shoot around the 10 GPP.That's why I move over for that bow to carbons, which will give me a weight between the 8.5 and 9 GPP. They are not ready yet, so I don't know exactly yet what the final weight will be.That will also depend on the tuning. But one thing is sure: those are going to be the prettiest arrows you ever saw....
Not too sure what the big deal is. There are advantages and disadvantages to about everything - no reason why heavy arrows or light arrows would be any different.
One bow, I'm shooting about 9.0 gpp. Works great. Took me a long time to tune.
Another bow, I'm shooting 6.9 gpp. Works great. Did extensive testing and it penetrates as well as heavier arrows. So, I took it bear hunting and the results were okay.
As far as blowing up my bow, well, possibly. I don't know. Been shooting these arrows for years and no problems yet. I sure I put well over 20,000 arrows out of the bow per year.
Problem is this: if my bow doesn't blow up, it doesn't provide much data that is relevant. If it does blow up, it doesn't provide much data that is relevant.
Someone did a survey here a year back or so. Only about 1% of people on this forum use arrows 7gpp or less. That's somewhat interesting. Personally, I think light arrow folks (heavy arrow folks too) should go and do their thing. Who really cares if people are in the minority on this issue? Frankly, I don't understand why anyone would be angry at another person's personal choices, so long as it doesn't affect them. But, if someone wants to pull the tread or worse over a simple opinion, well then, okay then.
if more people only worried about what THEY liked and were shooting....and getting to be the best they can be using THEIR SETUPS.....and stopped worrying about the idiotic MANLAW stuff and impressing some or asking for confirmation from others....they would be much better off.
archery is a lot like flyfishing or even golf....you need to learn your equipment, gain confidence, and then put it to action. no amount of affirmation, support or instruction from others is going to be successfull unless you put the work in.
Impress yourself...and dont worry about other opinions.
I agree. Everybody should shoot as he or she likes. My experience is, that when I go much under the 9 GPP, my set-up becomes to nervous and not forgivin at all, no matter what bow.
I also like my different set-ups all around the 9 GPP. That makes is easy to switch.
But as you said, each to his own!
obviously it's all personal, and we'll all do what we like. totally cool.
the issue i see isn't with yer choice of arrow gpp, nor is it with the bearpaw bows themselves - it's with the bearpaw 30 year unconditional guarantee where any arrow weight out of any of their bows is covered. that, to me, is nonsense on more than one level. but to each their own.
when a guy standing next to me launches an arrow that clearly, through audio and visual criteria, is far too light mass weight for the bow's holding weight, i'll give that feller lots of room ... i'm outta there.
i've been on the shooting line, next to an archer when his bow blew limbs and string, and yeah, his alum arrow was a feather weight. not at all fun, and we're both lucky to have escaped serious injury.
guys who wanna hunt medium size game like deer and hog with under 9gpp, that's just fine with me. i wouldn't, simply because i know what 10-12 gpp will do on those critters and that stacks the odds of quick death and recovery in my favor. not to mention how much quieter a heavier arrow will be on the release.
again, it's all good, and we have only our selves to blame or thank for our actions.
QuoteOriginally posted by Brock:
if more people only worried about what THEY liked and were shooting....and getting to be the best they can be using THEIR SETUPS.....and stopped worrying about the idiotic MANLAW stuff and impressing some or asking for confirmation from others.
archery is a lot like flyfishing or even golf....you need to learn your equipment, gain confidence, and then put it to action. no amount of affirmation, support or instruction from others is going to be successfull unless you put the work in.
Impress yourself...and dont worry about other opinions.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Rob X2 Well said sir!!!!
I shoot a static recurve made by Kevin TerMaat (i.e. RER bows). My arrow is 6.9 gpp. The bow, with only catwhiskers for silencing, is very quiet.
I've had my RER for exactly one year. Over that time, I've shot in excess of 25,000 arrows. Problems? ZERO.
And yes, I told Kevin in advance of ordering that I'd be shooting 7gpp. He didn't flinch, saying: "No problem."
A well-made bow will handle 7gpp! I wouldn't buy a bow from a bowyer who doesn't have that confidence in his product.
Mark
If you want a forever warrantee go with Bearpaw. You know what the other bowyers warrantees are so quit bitching and buy the Bearpaw.
1-year,30year, none of that matters when you are on the first day of that 10 day hunt of a lifetime and your bow blows up. Why would anyone want to take that chance is beyond me. 8.00 gpp has been the unwritten rule for a long time and for good reason. So why risk going under that is my only question. To each his own.