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Title: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Altiman94 on January 09, 2013, 10:26:00 PM
Guys- I've started to look at the R/D long bows out.  I really dont know much about them so hoping to lean on the forums for some suggestions.

Looking for something 60" or less and around 50# draw.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Fletcher on January 09, 2013, 10:33:00 PM
My first choice would be a Centaur.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: BDann on January 09, 2013, 10:37:00 PM
Check out the Thunderstick MOAB, they are great shooting bows.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: David Mitchell on January 09, 2013, 10:39:00 PM
Mike Treadway builds the best I have shot--and that's a bunch.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: threeunder on January 09, 2013, 10:52:00 PM
MOAB.  You won't be disappointed.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: KAZ on January 09, 2013, 11:19:00 PM
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Originally posted by Fletcher:
My first choice would be a Centaur.
x2 if you don't mind a really light bow... Of course there's probably wood choices that might be possible to affect the overall weight. I know some folks keep a quiver attached to keep weight up & dampen vibration. These babies are high performance, especially for a "short" longbow, and boy are they sweet lookers....If longer bows enter the equation, the Black Widow PL is nice also.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: sawtoothscream on January 09, 2013, 11:29:00 PM
if you want to save some coin and have a awesome shooter with tons of power check out omega longbows. They are pretty plain looking bows but seriously out perform everything I have tried so far. Thing keeps up my my ILF rig with 50 -55# limbs maxed out. If you want better looks he will do it but obviously the price will go up. Think I was qouted like $470 for a phenolic riser two piece takedown with curly maple limbs. Dont know if his priced will stay the same though. Thats still the bow I want BAD!!!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Panzer on January 09, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
Thunderstick would be my first choice. Donnny Dow also makes a really nice bow at an affordable price.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rock 'N Bow on January 10, 2013, 12:22:00 AM
Kanati
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Flying Dutchman on January 10, 2013, 02:39:00 AM
Caribow Peregrine without any doubt. I compared it with a Centaur carbon elite, but I prefered the Caribow.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: wasapt on January 10, 2013, 04:03:00 AM
ACS is the best I have shot...Centaur is a close second... I love my black widow recurve but their long bow is not up to par with these other two mentioned.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 10, 2013, 04:51:00 AM
My first recommendation would be Holm-made by Chad Holm, they are SUPERB.  You can get an Osprey 60" you won't be sorry.  His bows are gorgeous/ outstanding fit/finish, priced competitively for what you're getting, AND they rip an arrow and quietly.  Also worth looking at are Dwyer and Mohawk.  Really all the recommendations you're getting you can't go wrong.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: JamesKerr on January 10, 2013, 05:04:00 AM
My all time favorite Hybrid/ aggressive deflex reflex longbow is the Black Widow PLx takedown. Light in hand, fast arrow speed, NO handshock and smooth drawing. A very close second is the Tomahawk Diamond series SS. However there are way too many other great bows out there these are just my personal favorites as I have met the people who own them in person and their grips are perfect for me. Some of the others that should be considered that I haven't shot are Big Jim's Thunderchild and Buffalo Bow. Kirk's Flatliner longbow, Centuars, ACS... the list goes on and on.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: bartcanoe on January 10, 2013, 06:16:00 AM
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Originally posted by nineworlds9:
My first recommendation would be Holm-made by Chad Holm, they are SUPERB.
X2.  Chad makes a great bow.  I have a 64" Osprey (now Goshawk) that is smooth out to my 29" draw, fast and absolutely no hand shock. The finish and looks of the bow match the performance, Chad is an artist.

Dave
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Terry Lightle on January 10, 2013, 06:24:00 AM
I am a Cari-Bow fan
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: xtrema312 on January 10, 2013, 07:12:00 AM
Lots of good ones named so far.  I have shot just about all of them with the exception of a couple not so well known ones.

Your draw length is a factor for a 60” bow as is your preference for one, two, or three piece bow.  Those things would make a big difference for me in what would make the top of my list.  

My preference is for the non D shape bows with higher performance and generally little better bows in short lengths for average draw lengths.  There are some nice ones out there that are less aggressive limb designs.  Here are some I have shot a lot and like in a 60” bow with a 29” draw. I couple I would bump to a 62” bow for my 29” draw, but they all work just fine for me at 60”.  I am sure I will forget some good ones.

1PC

MOAB, my favorite one piece hybrid bow.

Big Jim Buffalo bow one or two piece. This one is on my list to get.

Shrew

Kanati

Centaur, great performance, but too light for me. I am also not crazy about the dished shelf that has been on the couple I had.

Cari-bow Peregrine, some I loved some not so much and not sure what was the difference in them. They have very flexible limbs when strung in middle to lighter weights.  Something I never got used to.

3 piece bows

ACS

Hill Country Wild Cat

Firefly

Tall Tines
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: JohnnyWayne on January 10, 2013, 07:25:00 AM
Love my Bob Lees  ;)
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Echo62 on January 10, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
Check out Sarrels, Bob makes an awesome bow. I have a Superstition that would be hard to beat. Excellent craftmanship, and shoots great. Bob is also a great guy. Don Dow also builds a very good bow at a very reasonable price.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: joe vt on January 10, 2013, 08:04:00 AM
Lots and lots of longbows to choose from for sure.


The only thing I will add to the already list of bows mention is: You need to consider how much  you are looking to spend? You can weed out alot of bowyers if your not going to spend $600+ On the otherhand, if you want to buy used then your options get bigger.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Hermon on January 10, 2013, 08:13:00 AM
Wild Horse Creek, either the Kestrel or the Hawk
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: KSCATTRAPR on January 10, 2013, 08:33:00 AM
Agree with the Wild Horse Creek Kestrel. I love mine.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: bulldog18 on January 10, 2013, 09:20:00 AM
Dwyer Endeavor or Bamabow Expedition
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Butch Speer on January 10, 2013, 09:24:00 AM
I believe Lost Creek is a very good choice.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Red Beastmaster on January 10, 2013, 09:28:00 AM
I'm very happy with my Thunderhorn.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: twistedlim on January 10, 2013, 09:29:00 AM
There are lots out there.  I am a huge Toelke fan but also like my Great Northern Fireball. There am many quality bows that I have not shot though. You for the most part they are all smooth, quiet and fast.  It really comes down to the grip and feel which you will have to try to see.  If you can go to a club or to a big shoot (Denton Hill or Kalamazoo) to try some.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: deaddoc4444 on January 10, 2013, 10:57:00 AM
MY first choice  LEON STEWART .   Second  M fedora .
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Bjorn on January 10, 2013, 10:58:00 AM
Everyone has a fav, mine are the acs cx and have them in 1 and 3 pc. You need to shoot a bunch of them and decide what is your fav bow. Some bowyers will send you one for a few days-I have done that several times. Maybe go to a show and shoot some there or borrow one from a friend.
Shoot lots of different ones, and don't be in a hurry to just get a 'short' one.   :archer:
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: trapper on January 10, 2013, 10:59:00 AM
Treadway or Toelke can't do any better.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: rick7 on January 10, 2013, 11:05:00 AM
kanati or hoots  you wont be disapointed
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: RC on January 10, 2013, 11:08:00 AM
Stalker. I don`t see a fella getting better service or bow.RC
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: steadman on January 10, 2013, 11:12:00 AM
I'm with RC on this one. There are a lot to choose from for sure but call South, he has a test drive program so you can see if his bow is for you. They are a great bow!!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: RM81 on January 10, 2013, 11:36:00 AM
My favorites are my Thundstick MOAB and Mag.  Whatever you decide, I would try before you buy if it's possible.  There are a ton of good bows out there and what works for one person may not work for another.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Arwin on January 10, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
ST. Joe River Bows!!!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Pete McMiller on January 10, 2013, 11:51:00 AM
There are so many great bows out there.  It all depends on your own perception, feel and how you shoot it.  The best bow in the world (if there really is something like that) will feel and act different to whoever shoots it.  Try as many as you can and find out for yourself.

The better question isn't "who makes the best bow?" but "are there any really bad ones?"  I can't answer either question because I haven't found the best or any bad ones.

Enjoy the quest, you're personal holy grail just might be your next bow.    :bigsmyl:
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Trumpkin the Dwarf on January 10, 2013, 12:11:00 PM
Just to convolute your mind further...
Dan Toelke is one of the nicest guys I've met and he makes a smooth, quiet, and smoking fast bow.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: zipper bowss on January 10, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
Josh, If at all possible I would suggest making the trip to Kalamazoo MI. That show is at the end of this month. You will get to put your hands on many bows there. Just a couple of days at a show like Kalamazoo will help to narrow your quest.
Bill
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: bowless on January 10, 2013, 12:22:00 PM
I think a talk with JavaMan (a sponser here) would be very helpful.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: moththerlode on January 10, 2013, 02:01:00 PM
Well, I think that about covers everything out there. I'll throw Hummingbird out there just in case it was missed LOL
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: on January 10, 2013, 02:39:00 PM
i have been a Hill style longbow shooter since the 60s, other than a couple of recurves. When I looked at all of the short hybrids, I did not think that they could possibly be better than a recurve or a longbow. I bought a custom bow for her draw and draw weight for my wife from Lost Creek, because my wife was drawing her recurve too high in her shoulder muscles structure with its high grip.  I was wrong about hybrids.  They are more stable than most recurves, just as fast or faster than some recurves, they feel longer than they are, and they shoot a wide range of spines unlike Hill style longbows.  One has to get a grip that conforms to ones own shooting style, after that the choices are fantastic with no clear winner. That is a good thing.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: TJK68 on January 10, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
Jim Gainy of Black Creek Bows makes an outstanding bow.
Dan Toelke's Whip
Big Jim's Bow Company
These are just a few many great ones to choose from. You need to shoot them yourself to make a choice. Good Luck.
Tom
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: OS on January 10, 2013, 03:11:00 PM
I've shot many of the bows listed on this thread and for sure there any several GREAT shooter bows out there!!  When it comes down to it I would take a real good look at the St. Joe river bows.  I own a couple (recurve and R/D longbow)not only are they fast but very smooth to draw through my 29.5 inch draw, even on my 60" longbow!  One of the biggest factors that had me try them is the fact that you can get what ever grip you prefure on the bow and Tracy and Dave work real hard to make sure you get a bow that fits what you are looking for, in most cases at no extra cost!  The custom formed grip is just part of their fully custom bow package.  Have Fun shoot alot!  I would take a good hard look at the St. Joe River bows.

Rob
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Hubi on January 10, 2013, 03:27:00 PM
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Originally posted by Bjorn:
Everyone has a fav, mine are the acs cx and have them in 1 and 3 pc. You need to shoot a bunch of them and decide what is your fav bow. Some bowyers will send you one for a few days-I have done that several times. Maybe go to a show and shoot some there or borrow one from a friend.
Shoot lots of different ones, and don't be in a hurry to just get a 'short' one.    :archer:  
X2
 I have own acs xc, centaurs, Caribow Peregrine....
but my favorite LB is still my Whippenstick LB!!!!!
So shoot as most as you can and then decide.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: TomBow on January 10, 2013, 03:36:00 PM
You've got to WHIP it. Whip it good.
A big UP to Dan Toelke and the Whip longbow.  But as everyone has said, you need to get a few in your hands and figure out which one is the one for you.  Talk to several bowyers and compare what they have to say.  These guys are artists and each one has their own following.  Dan Toelke will produce a bow based on your shooting style, hand size, etc. that will make you say "Wow"!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: ishoot4thrills on January 10, 2013, 04:16:00 PM
I guess my choice might be one of bias, but anyway, I am very fond of my Kanati. Had it for almost 2 years now and have no intentions of parting with it.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Leland on January 10, 2013, 04:30:00 PM
Dwyer Endeavor,very nice bow.What ever you decide,make sure the bow feels good in your hand.
Leland
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Bob Abeln on January 10, 2013, 05:40:00 PM
Black Creek Siren TD for me. Nicest bow i've shot.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Roughrider on January 10, 2013, 07:24:00 PM
I'm surprised no mention of RER.  Kevin makes great shooting bows that are beautiful and easy on the wallet.  He's a great guy to work with too.  Like everyone's said, try as many as you can before you buy.

 (http://i1192.photobucket.com/albums/aa328/brockman2/DSCF1539.jpg)
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Archie on January 10, 2013, 07:37:00 PM
I shoot a Black Widow PL, after having tried a bunch of different makes and models.  I am pleased with everything about it.  Even though it was pretty pricey, it was worth it.  Except for the fact that I would like a 58# bow at my draw and don't have one yet, I could be content the rest of my life with my Widows, the longbow being my favorite of the two.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: katman on January 10, 2013, 07:56:00 PM
I love my Sasquatch t/d from Kirk at big foot bows.
 (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Gerys%20Sas/SANY0024.jpg) (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Gerys%20Sas/SANY0010.jpg)
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Ottawa Archer on January 10, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
St. Joe River Bows!! As others have said Dave and Tracey offer superb customer service and their bows are truly custom where you can make them as unique and exotic or as plain as you'd like.

Smokin' fast and quiet as a church whisper!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: TxAg on January 10, 2013, 09:19:00 PM
I've thoroughly enjoyed all my Toelke Whips!

With my 29" draw, I am really enjoying my 62"HS and my 64" is no slouch either.

Lots of great bows and bowyers out there, but you certainly won't go wrong with the Toelkes.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Nativestranger on January 11, 2013, 07:39:00 AM
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Originally posted by katman:
I love my Sasquatch t/d from Kirk at big foot bows.
  (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Gerys%20Sas/SANY0024.jpg)  (http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u301/kirkll/Bows%202012/Gerys%20Sas/SANY0010.jpg)
Wow three piece with the looks of a one piece. Very clever design.  And its almost a recurve. How does it perform?
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: katman on January 11, 2013, 07:49:00 AM
Nativestranger, she performs very nicely, smooth back to my 29.5" draw 60" bow. Stable on release without a jolt and pretty quick. This is the black glass/wood limb model, upgrade to carbon/foam and speed increases.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: gvdocholiday on January 11, 2013, 11:44:00 AM
I have to throw my hat in for Saint Joe River Bows. I got one of their 58" recurves last spring with phenolic and dymondwood to give me a nice stable heavy mass bow.  

I'm planning on delivery of my first Longbow from them near the end of January/early February.  58" mild RD longbow that should give a nice classic Dshape when at brace yet give the performance of the R/D.

I can't wait to get it because Arwin is just absolutely in love with his and I got an absolute structural copy.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Bowhunter4life on January 11, 2013, 03:19:00 PM
Another Vote for the MOAB... I like the 60" and have shot the 62" and a 58", the 60" fits me very well and the price is right also...

I also have another vote for the Big Jim Thunderchild... I like the 56" with my almost 30" draw...
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: longbow guy on January 11, 2013, 05:09:00 PM
Hornes Archery Brushbow ,is one of my faverites for a Hybrid!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: fmscan on January 11, 2013, 06:22:00 PM
I have not shot all the bow out there but it is hard for me to think anything is better than LEON STEWART... oh yes! Two LEON STEWARTS!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: greenbear on January 11, 2013, 06:54:00 PM
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Originally posted by deaddoc4444:
MY first choice  LEON STEWART .   Second  M fedora .
I agree on the Leon Stewart.  I love my "slammer."
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 11, 2013, 07:00:00 PM
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Originally posted by Altiman94:
Guys- I've started to look at the R/D long bows out.  I really dont know much about them so hoping to lean on the forums for some suggestions.

Looking for something 60" or less and around 50# draw.
there are at least a gajillion great aggressive or mild r/d longbows to choose.  

will it be aggressive or mild?

what is your draw length?

draw length versus bow length for both types will vary!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: maxwell on January 11, 2013, 08:51:00 PM
Stewart slammers- they have all you will ever need.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: atatarpm on January 11, 2013, 11:09:00 PM
Qarbon Namo it's hard to beat
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Moots on January 12, 2013, 06:34:00 AM
Buy used R/D bows from this site.  Start with a couple; sell the one you don't like as much.  Buy another.  

You will soon find out how much R/D you like, what length bow you prefer.  Pay particular attention to grip.  I have found, for example, that Toelke grips (whip and super D) are generally too small for me, but other people love them.

If you are careful in buying, you will be able to get all or most of your money out of the bow when you sell.

In this fashion, I have found that I like Mohawk Sparrowhawk, Cari-bow Peregrine, and I have a Leon Stewart Slammer on order.

And I thought the search was over, and that I was an R/D guy through and through, but then I bought a beautiful Wes Wallace Mentor recurve -- and guess what, I love that too!  And then I decided that I needed to try the new Whippenstick Whipplash, so I have one of those on order.  And now it's time to sell something again.

Have fun!  It's a great ride.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 06:42:00 AM
life is like a box of chocolates - never know what you'll find and there's so many good trad bows to taste test.   ;)
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: katman on January 12, 2013, 07:07:00 AM
You got that right Rob. Until you try it you do not know if you like it. I like Moots advice.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 07:10:00 AM
the cheapest and best way to taste test bows is at trad gatherings - events, club shoots, rendezvous, shoots of all kinds, and (of course) Gang Hunts.   :D
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: katman on January 12, 2013, 07:17:00 AM
Sage advice as usual Rob.    :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Nativestranger on January 12, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.

 (http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5468/7170383268_430457eda4_z.jpg)

  (http://www.bogensport-manske.de/tl_files/images/bows/quickstick.jpg)
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 08:42:00 AM
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Originally posted by Nativestranger:
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.
 
no minimum GPP?  really????  i don't think so.     :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Nativestranger on January 12, 2013, 08:51:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
Quote
Originally posted by Nativestranger:
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.
 
no minimum GPP?  really????  i don't think so.       :rolleyes:   [/b]
That's what they said and even confirmed by Henry Bodnik. No minimum GPP short of dry fire.
  http://www.bearpaw-blog.com/?p=725  

   
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The choice of material and the weight of the used arrows do not limit our guarantee. We are proud of the quality and efficiency of our Bodnik Bows.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 09:00:00 AM
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Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
   
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Originally posted by Nativestranger:
Anyone tried the Bearpaw Quick Stick? It looks like one fine bow. Very attractive with the 30 year transferable warranty and no minimum GPP.
 
no minimum GPP?  really????  i don't think so.        :rolleyes:    [/b]
That's what they said and even confirmed by Henry Bodnik. No minimum GPP short of dry fire.
   http://www.bearpaw-blog.com/?p=725  

   
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The choice of material and the weight of the used arrows do not limit our guarantee. We are proud of the quality and efficiency of our Bodnik Bows.
[/b]
don't see where their warranty talks about dry firing or minimum gpp - where is that?
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Nativestranger on January 12, 2013, 09:10:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
don't see where their warranty talks about dry firing or minimum gpp - where is that?
It's on the link I posted. This paragraph:

"Our guarantee applies to 100% on the bow because our quality has nothing to do with the owner of the bow. Our guarantee also applies to subsequent owners of Bodnik Bows and does not lose its validity for a full 30 years. The choice of material and the weight of the used arrows do not limit our guarantee ."

And this

"Non-warranty clause:
•Bow is treated negligently or intentionally destroyed or damaged"

Their official Youtube Channel Confirms this again. Read Bearpaw's their comment on:

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tjv4qkvk3I  

"there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 09:19:00 AM
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.  i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear or see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Nativestranger on January 12, 2013, 09:50:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

 shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.   i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear or see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?
It's a big difference comparing a 5 gpp arrow to dry firing. With a well designed bow you can go down to as low as 2 GPP and still retain over 50% efficiency. That's less than half the energy going back to bow limbs compared to a dry fire. At 5 gpp the efficiency is around 65% - 70%

   http://www.atarn.org/islamic/akarpowicz/turkish_bow_tests.htm  

Thats on primitive bows with natural materials, thick heavy limb tips and Dacron string. Very inefficient compared to modern bows.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 10:41:00 AM
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Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

 shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.   i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear or see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?
It's a big difference comparing a 5 gpp arrow to dry firing. With a well designed bow you can go down to as low as 2 GPP and still retain over 50% efficiency. That's less than half the energy going back to bow limbs compared to a dry fire. At 5 gpp the efficiency is around 65% - 70%

    http://www.atarn.org/islamic/akarpowicz/turkish_bow_tests.htm  

Thats on primitive bows with natural materials, thick heavy limb tips and Dacron string. Very inefficient compared to modern bows. [/b]
personally, in my near 6 decades of messing with trad archery in all its forms, there are VERY few trad bows can survive more than a few shootings with 6gpp let alone 5gpp.  

those that are using such light missiles are flight archers, where the bow is 15/16th broken on every release.  

and in reality, none of this hasta do with trad bowhunting, where you might rarely go down to 8gpp, but more likely will be closer to or above 10gpp. so it's all a moot point for us folks.

for bearpaw to say, essentially, as long as the bow is launching SOME kinda arrow, regardless of its mass weight, that sounds more like a marketing ploy ... because i see nothing in their bow designs, materials or crafting that's any bit different from all the other wood/glass/carbon trad bows offered world wide and ALL of those folks have definite gpp criteria.  as i said b4, wonder how many folks are using their bearpaw warranty for blown limbs ....  ymmv.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: RC on January 12, 2013, 11:40:00 AM
I think they figure that most archers know that under 8 grains or so to lb the shooter has a good chance of eating splinters and they are banking on that.RC
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Nativestranger on January 12, 2013, 11:43:00 AM
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
 
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Originally posted by Nativestranger:
 
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Originally posted by Rob DiStefano:
BearpawBlog 1 year ago - "there will be no void warranties. bodnik bows have no official minimum gpp requirement."

wow.  that's totally incredible.  

 shooting 6 or even 5 gpp is literally dry firing.   i guess they're banking on not too many folks going much below 9 or 8 gpp, due to the high noise levels.  i don't hear Orion see anything different in their bow materials or construction.  i wonder how many blown limb claims they've gotten so far?
It's a big difference comparing a 5 gpp arrow to dry firing. With a well designed bow you can go down to as low as 2 GPP and still retain over 50% efficiency. That's less than half the energy going back to bow limbs compared to a dry fire. At 5 gpp the efficiency is around 65% - 70%

     http://www.atarn.org/islamic/akarpowicz/turkish_bow_tests.htm    

Thats on primitive bows with natural materials, thick heavy limb tips and Dacron string. Very inefficient compared to modern bows. [/b]
personally, in my near 6 decades of messing with trad archery in all its forms, there are VERY few trad bows can survive more than a few shootings with 6gpp let alone 5gpp.  

those that are using such light missiles are flight archers, where the bow is 15/16th broken on every release.  

and in reality, none of this hasta do with trad bowhunting, where you might rarely go down to 8gpp, but more likely will be closer to or above 10gpp. so it's all a moot point for us folks.

for bearpaw to say, essentially, as long as the bow is launching SOME kinda arrow, regardless of its mass weight, that sounds more like a marketing ploy ... because i see nothing in their bow designs, materials or crafting that's any bit different from all the other wood/glass/carbon trad bows offered world wide and ALL of those folks have definite gpp criteria.  as i said b4, wonder how many folks are using their bearpaw warranty for blown limbs ....  ymmv. [/b]
In Europe, 3d field archery is more common than bow hunting and lighter arrows are used.  The materials and design does not look all that different but they must have tested extensively and found no conclusive data on light arrows damaging their bow before coming up with the official warranty statement. No arrow weight limit and 30 years is a long time! No company would be silly enough to make such claims if it have the slightest chance of failure.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 12, 2013, 02:03:00 PM
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: on January 12, 2013, 02:34:00 PM
I agree and perhaps the logic is that any trad shooter will be using a reasonable arrow.  It would be reassuring to think that a bow can survive an accidental dry fire from a broken nock or from a slipped nock.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: swampwalker on January 12, 2013, 03:04:00 PM
Back to the topic. Would like to throw some love Steve's way and have you try either the Superior or Baraga, Northern Mist's entry R/Ds.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: imbowhunt10 on January 12, 2013, 03:07:00 PM
Having shot recurves most of my life, i am not much of an authority on longbows. I always had an itch to shoot one, so i bought the royal crown, which is made by Ron Fox. I can say that it has become one of the finest of all the bows that i have. It shoots where you are looking, zero hand shock, absolutely quiet, and hard hitting. I must say it is one of the best, if not the best shooting bows i have ever held in my hand.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: ddauler on January 12, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Pick the top three reccomended bow's here buy them and then start trading! There is no answer to your question any better. Have fun!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Altiman94 on January 12, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
Thanks for all the great suggestions guys....I knew this thread could give me some ideas when I posted it.  Even had a few bowyers PM me to look at their stuff.  Of course head is spinning but I have lots to consider now when I was lost before.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Bow man on January 13, 2013, 06:48:00 AM
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Originally posted by Altiman94:
Thanks for all the great suggestions guys....I knew this thread could give me some ideas when I posted it.  Even had a few bowyers PM me to look at their stuff.  Of course head is spinning but I have lots to consider now when I was lost before.
I bet it is.   :biglaugh:  

The best thing is to come to Kalamazoo in two weeks Or head down to Lalabama at the end of February and you can shoot bows from Bowyers until you can't shoot any more. Then you will know which one id best for you
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Covey on January 13, 2013, 03:55:00 PM
I'm sure it's been said, but my choice would be a Kanati. Best bow for the buck!! :-)

Jason
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Don Batten on January 13, 2013, 05:16:00 PM
One bow I'm surprised that hasn't been mentioned is the Apache by Roy Hall of Navajo bows.  Not as fast as some by good shooting, good looking R/D bows.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Dave Paradowski on January 14, 2013, 06:55:00 AM
X3 on the Holm-Made Osprey. I have a 44#, 60". Excellent bow.....Dave
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Achilles1 on August 06, 2013, 11:12:00 AM
My Lefty Crooked-Stic t/d longbow.
60" #55@28".
Handy&powerful. (http:// [url=http://imgur.com/5LvjEQl] [img]http://i.imgur.com/5LvjEQl.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: nineworlds9 on August 06, 2013, 11:17:00 AM
LEON.  STEWART.  SLAMMER.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: NBK on August 06, 2013, 11:53:00 AM
Dwyer.


Dauntless:
  (http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab337/drmreilly/IMG_0062.jpg) (http://s877.photobucket.com/user/drmreilly/media/IMG_0062.jpg.html)


Defiant:
  (http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab337/drmreilly/Legolasbow2012-03-30019.jpg) (http://s877.photobucket.com/user/drmreilly/media/Legolasbow2012-03-30019.jpg.html)

We all have our favorites, these are mine!
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: nineworlds9 on August 06, 2013, 12:00:00 PM
That is one sweet Defiant Mike
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: SKITCH on August 06, 2013, 12:17:00 PM
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Originally posted by nineworlds9:
LEON.  STEWART.  SLAMMER.
Just checked out his web site.  WOW those slammers look amazing. Love the lines on that bow.

Damn. Now another one to drool over and put on the "must try" list!!  My wife thanks you!!  Ha ha.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: rick7 on August 06, 2013, 12:19:00 PM
i have shot a lot of bows and the kanati is the best of the best.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: nineworlds9 on August 06, 2013, 12:25:00 PM
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Originally posted by SKITCH:
 
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Originally posted by nineworlds9:
LEON.  STEWART.  SLAMMER.
Just checked out his web site.  WOW those slammers look amazing. Love the lines on that bow.

Damn. Now another one to drool over and put on the "must try" list!!  My wife thanks you!!  Ha ha. [/b]
Your welcome.  Leon is the real deal, a 'good' guy and fine craftsman.  The Slammer is one of the most consistent, forgiving, and FAST longbows around and they look like a million bucks too.  Worth every penny new or used.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Sixby on August 06, 2013, 03:45:00 PM
So many bows, So little time.

God bless, Steve
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Stixbowdrew on August 06, 2013, 03:51:00 PM
Hard to beat a centaur on any level
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: gringol on August 06, 2013, 04:13:00 PM
This is like asking "who is the most beautiful woman in the world?"

Everyone has an opinion, but it's really in the eye of the beholder.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: VictoryHunter on August 06, 2013, 04:35:00 PM
x2 Stalker Stickbows! Agressive R/D, slim recurve style pistol grip, fully  custom, and incredible craftsmanship! They are the best in my opinion and South is a pleasure to work with.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: skunkhound on August 06, 2013, 08:22:00 PM
Another vote for the Dwyer Dauntless.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: jhg on August 06, 2013, 09:08:00 PM
Chad Holm's Osprey.

He can get the grip just the way you want it too, so have an idea of what you like before you talk to him. It makes a big difference if a custom bow has a grip "made for you".

Joshua
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Alexander Traditional on August 06, 2013, 09:21:00 PM
I'm liking my Big Jim's Buffalo bow.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: Achilles1 on August 10, 2013, 03:47:00 PM
My lefty Dauntless, a slim-hipped beauty. (http:// [url=http://imgur.com/sqyJFNG] [img]http://i.imgur.com/sqyJFNG.jpg)[/url] [/IMG]
  (http://i.imgur.com/8gxyJnA.jpg) (http://imgur.com/8gxyJnA)
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: jeffg on August 10, 2013, 04:02:00 PM
Everyone is going to recommend the bow they have. Just get the one that fits and works for you and on your price rang. Some are way over priced for what you get ( pay for the name). The name doesn't make them better just more expensive.
 
 They are all good if they come from a reputable builder.
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: BrownA5 on August 16, 2013, 02:56:00 AM
Dwyer Dauntless
Title: Re: Recommendation on a hybrid (R/D) longbow
Post by: rick7 on August 24, 2013, 04:06:00 PM
kanati   the best that i have ever shot.  try one  you will not be dissapointed