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Title: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 06, 2013, 01:32:00 PM
Hi guys I have a chance to trade for a nice Wesley but its 64" and I draw 29" I know everyone  recommends a longer bow but can this length be shot @29" without stacking? Thnx
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: on January 06, 2013, 01:37:00 PM
I am sure that you have read it, if you have a long draw with a recurve, you will have a shorter draw with a Hill. Will this bow draw smoothly at that draw length? You are bound to get an answer that will say it does not stack, but at 28" and more the longer Hills shoot way way better.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: ChrisM on January 06, 2013, 01:40:00 PM
seems a little short for that draw.
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Post by: False Cast on January 06, 2013, 01:46:00 PM
I'd say way short. 68" would be minimum I think. Just my opinion though.
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Post by: Rossco7002 on January 06, 2013, 01:57:00 PM
Go longer IMHO - that's when these bows really come into their own.
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Post by: S.C. Hunter on January 06, 2013, 02:10:00 PM
Ralph, hope you find what you are looking for it is tough trying to decide. I am in the same boat right now looking hard at the Hill style but I don't really want a longer bow. I like them 64" or less and really prefer shorter. Good luck!
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 06, 2013, 02:35:00 PM
Thnx guys as usuall some informed opinions I want to try this bow in a bad way but I am leaning on passing it,  I had a n/mist whisper that was 64" and smooth as butter but it obviously had the reverse handle
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: David Mitchell on January 06, 2013, 03:25:00 PM
I wouldn't do it myself.  I draw 28" and like 68" bows the best--66" is marginal in a Hill style bow for me.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Michigan Mark on January 06, 2013, 04:54:00 PM
To answer your question Yes!
You can call Craig at HH yourself to get the answer. Craig many years ago stated bamboo limbs will not stack until 32" (to me) all other limb woods 30". The Wesley has bamboo limbs. Many believe the longer the bow the smoother the draw. It is all in the design of the bow and materials. I have a two 60" Recurves (Bruin and Super Kodiak)and draw them to 32" easily without issue and a 64" Longbow although a R/D Bear Ausable. No string angle or finger pinch while shooting. Had a 66" Wesley I hunted almost exclusively with for many years drawing 32" without stack until the weight got to my degenerating body. I also had a 70" Redman that was a lighter weight but started to stack after 30". Just my experience's, good luck to you and enjoy your journey.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Ben Maher on January 06, 2013, 05:03:00 PM
I'd probably go longer in length if it was me and wait for another thats better suited to your draw ...
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Post by: Jon Powell on January 06, 2013, 06:56:00 PM
Guess I'll be the odd man. For years I shot a 64" Big Five that was 60@29 and I draw 29. It shot like a dream for me. Never had a problem with the length. It was also the most accurate bow I had. I still shoot it once in a while now, but the weight is a little much for me these days. Did I mention gettin' old sucks.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: nineworlds9 on January 06, 2013, 07:29:00 PM
64 for a 29" draw TOO short you need a min of 66" but even that's pushing it man, I'd try to find a 68" bow if I were you!!!
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 06, 2013, 07:36:00 PM
Thnx guys I really value the input lots of experience here think I will call him just to get his opinion my only concern was stacking,I know longer bows will be smoother just didn't want to hit that dreaded wall
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: ron w on January 06, 2013, 08:03:00 PM
Most Hills I have have had were a bit heavier than they said......I had a 64" Hill and I draw 29"....I did not notice any stack it was the weight that came across to me. It was 2-3 pounds heavy and then with another inch of draw that made it 5-6 pounds and it was to much! Like I said I felt no stack!
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: RC on January 06, 2013, 08:23:00 PM
Too short Ralph.RC
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: arrow flynn on January 06, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
No way for your draw. 70"would be the rt lenght. I went to bob wesleys bow camp. I had never shot a hill bow and of course I wanted one he said be would order it for me and lnspect it before fur turning ot over to me a tembo brownglass white belly exquisite beautiful a 70"bow. He said"thiswill shoot the bestfor you" I draw 27.5.bob knowslongbows he would advise you not to get a 64"hhill at your draw.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: JRY309 on January 06, 2013, 11:32:00 PM
For straight limb bows like a Hill,I wouldn't go shorter then 66" and I draw 27".I have a 66" and 68" Hill bows I shoot.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: m midd on January 07, 2013, 02:32:00 AM
I would pass. Ive had one 66" and it was short for me. 28"
Draw.. I now have a 68" hill and much happier with it
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 07, 2013, 07:54:00 AM
Thnx guys
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: two4hooking on January 07, 2013, 01:00:00 PM
I shot my recurve with a 29 inch draw....now that I shoot Hill style I am pulling a solid 27" with bent arm and low heel grip and my 66" inch Hill shoots like a dream!  64"??  Might be pushing it....
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 07, 2013, 01:41:00 PM
thanks Greg it hurt but i had to pass on it!
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Bill Turner on January 08, 2013, 02:23:00 PM
I own a 64" TD "RedMan" 53@28" and several other Hill bows that are 66" in length. My draw length is just short of 28". Although I do not have a problem shooting the 64" bow, I much prefer the 66" length in the 56/57@28"range. Craig will tell you to stick with the 66/68" bow at your 29" draw.With that said I went with less draw weight to accomodate for the shorter length on my 64" "Red Man" and I'm very happy with the results.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Rob DiStefano on January 08, 2013, 06:52:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by rnharris:
Hi guys I have a chance to trade for a nice Wesley but its 64" and I draw 29" I know everyone  recommends a longer bow but can this length be shot @29" without stacking? Thnx
you could pull 31" with that bow, no problem there.

but @ 29" for a 64" hill, it will stack on ya like crazy and make you very very sad.

with a 29" draw length on a hill style american flat longbow, you will get some stack with a 66" length.  i wouldn't get less than a 68" amo length for a true 29" draw length.

choose wisely and as always, ymmv.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 08, 2013, 07:23:00 PM
thnx guys i truly appreciate the info and looking back over the hills iv'e owned one of the sweetest was a 70" redman stacked arrows like crazy just too long for the thickets i hunt!
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: on January 08, 2013, 11:50:00 PM
If you were looking for a good shooting 64"longbow for your draw, I would suggest a Mohawk or a Robertson and I would not worry much about the extra little bends, nor would I complain about the Schulz reflexed longbow speed.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 09, 2013, 09:34:00 AM
both are fine bows for sure and i've owned both just never had a chance to trade for a 64" Hill thnx
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: cahaba on January 09, 2013, 10:22:00 AM
I draw 26.5" and I won't buy any Hill style bow under 66". 67" shoots best for me.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Tajue17 on January 09, 2013, 12:18:00 PM
I'd go minimum 66" for my 27" draw,,, on a hill style bow.. reflex/deflex I'd go 64 minimum..
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 10, 2013, 10:34:00 AM
Thnx again guys
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Sant-Ravenhill on January 10, 2013, 11:33:00 AM
I'll just add to the chorus...I draw 26.5 and wouldn't go less than 66".

One fall I hunted with a 68" Hill and never found it a problem because of it's length. And I hunted some pretty thick stuff.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: falconview on January 10, 2013, 11:58:00 AM
I have 7 hills, the shortest hill is 60" reverse handle, a 66" a couple 68" and three 70" and I draw around 29.  the 60" is an outstanding
tight cover hunting bow but in know way feels like a hill there somthing about the 70" bows that just feels right and my Kramer "big five" 5 lam, even more so,  so the length will balance speed vs  classic feel, short/ fast or long/elegant

good luck
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: Flying Dogg on January 10, 2013, 02:46:00 PM
David took the words out of my mouth.

I wouldn't do it myself. I draw 28" and like 68" bows the best--66" is marginal in a Hill style bow for me.
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: rnharris on January 10, 2013, 02:52:00 PM
:campfire:  out of the several Hills iv'e owned a 70" cheetah was my favoite thnx for all the posts!
Title: Re: Hill 64" opinions
Post by: normf on January 10, 2013, 02:57:00 PM
I have a 66 in. Northern Mist Shelton that I put on a digital scale and it stacked under 3 lb. from 28 in. to 29 in. I draw a 29 in. and it shoots fine for me.