I think they would work what say you?
I am looking at them because I think the head/neck shot is the best choice for the bow using turkey hunter because it means you will either quickly kill the tom or miss him completely. That being said I like to use the big Snuffer but maybe there is a place for the Guillotine in the trad guys bag o'tricks.
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Gobbler Guillotines....fancy broadhead??? :help:
What do they look like?
Lobo in West Virginia
Lobo do a websearch and you see pictures. BUT
they basically are a big flying X with 6 or 8 inch razors crossed through a target point. with 3 to 4 inches of blade on each side. They decapitate turkeys. They work best on carbon arrows(according to the manufacturer) and fly best with large high profile fletches with helical.
I've wondered what happens when you miss and hit them in the body with one of those heads.
MikeW you DON'T get the bird :bigsmyl:
I tried them out of my Crow Creek and they flew ok but I decided to stick with a 2 blade head that I was confident in and make sure I could hit my spot.
Oh yeah, and it was a good choice. My Merriams this year didn't go 15 yards.
The reality is not that you either kill or miss; it is you can either kill/miss or mame. What happens if you that head hits the beak of the turkey and it can't feed? What happens if you take off both legs with a low hit? What happens if you cause inner trauma with a body hit? The answers are not pretty.
I consider myself a pretty good shot, but certainly not good enough to call neck shots on turkey. Better do some soul-searching if you think you're that good...cause you're not.
Ben Pearson had a head for duck hunting that was similar....many decades ago. He ditched the idea saying the heads would cause more wounding then not. Ben cared about it. Apparently that kind of manufacturer ethic died with him.
I'm with George, what does a body shot do to a turkey with these heads?
I guess if you got the legs you could quickly kill em with a stick or ring their necks.
Head shots in any hunting situation are iffy, I knew a guy that shot his deer with a rifle this way and one time it was not pretty, a deer he shot in the muzzle was luckily killed two days later with a shot behind the shoulder, needles suffering.
George D. Stout your thoughts on those heads are the same as any broadhead . there are many mamed and wounded animals each year with all diffrent brands and types of broadheds. I tend to disagree with you it comes down to your aiming for a kill zone on a turkey neck/head just as well as a deer behind the shoulder .and both can be missed easily .
Yup, disagree with George as that can happen with any head. The guy from Double Bull shooting an ACS has shot quite a few with the Gobbler Guillotine and it works nice, they say just shoot above 50#s at your draw. Shawn
Totally agree with Mr. George D. Stout and disagree with Shawn,, I too consider myself a good shot but would never take a head , neck shoot on a turkey. To much motion in the head to risk it, much better to take a body vital shot, (provided your broadhead isn't trying to be a fishing net !!),JMHO,,Frank
The Gobbler Guillotine is highly efective, Almost like cheeting, good for compounds, But not very Traditional, In my opinion :archer:
Ontario Longbow I do believe deer move around twitch and jerk not still very long as well as a turkey . this is no diffrent than aiming for the kill zone on a deer or anything else to take a head shot on a turkey. kill zones are kill zones and its possible to miss . bet you miss a turkey head and your more than likely going to miss the whole bird miss a kill zone on a deer and your going to get guts or neck , backstraps . theres always a possibilty of wounding an animal when you let that arrow fly .
In terms of vitals, a turkey's head is about the size of its heart/lung area, but a lot easier to know exactly where it is and focus on. However, as has been pointed out, that head moves around alot, and often quite fast.
I don't use them, and don't plan to. I've heard that they should not be shot through blind netting, which apparently throws them off considerably.
Yup, dorris right! These things are wide, much easier to hit the head with one of these than a vital that is lucky to be the size of a softball. The head is almost as big as the vitals and you are shooting a blade that if 4 times as wide as a regular hunting broadhead. If they fly great for ya, than there is no doubt and I mean no doubt you have a better chance with the guillotine, thnat said I use a snuffer, but would gladly try a guillotine, watch a DB video and see for yourself. Shawn
I should also say if ya think that is cheating than ya better hunt with only a selfbow and stone heads, cause those guys are the only true traditionalist here, Oh and arrows made from river cane or bamboo or a hickory stick! Shawn
Nope.
A mans got to know his limitations! and each to his own opinion. Mike
And Shawn....Let's remember that head is turning with the arrow. I wonder how many times it's going to be exactly horizontal to take off that head. It's taking a chance that I feel is too risky. Those commercials and television shows aren't going to show you the bad hits.
What does "traditional" have to do with recklessness? It's a poor choice.
Its not recklessness . you have 4 blades on that thing if it turns one way or the other its going to hit blade . quit speculateing and watch the vieos thats the best proof of all .,
George, I wouldn't go as far as to call it reckless. These heads are as big as a baseball, and bout as big as the vitals on a turkey. They have 4 long blades, and they wouldn't have to be horizontal to take a head off or make a clean quick kill.
Finding the vitals on a turkey can be tricky with any regular Bhead...and you gotta be on your mark.
As far as head movement on a turkey, I aggree...EXCEPT when he's all fuzzed up and the head is laid back in a bed of feathers....and from what little I know about picking a spot, that's head in the bed of feather's is sho'nuff a way to pick one. Also, there's not a lot of movement when they are standing still, and the head still stands out as a great focal point.
Everyone has to answer for themselves when it comes down to ethics, .....and if a guy maims a turkey with a Bhead a few times, and takes the head off the next three with a guillotine......then which is more ethical for that hunter? Hard to judge other's ethics based on their abilities and past experiences.
Just a few thoughts from a guy that don't hunt turkeys, but has watched them in the field many many times.
If you are good enough to put an arrow right where you want at 20 yards you shouldn't have a problem sending this broadhead within loping range of his neck. The videos sure are cool. Personally that head is just not me, I'd rather send a big snuffer at em.
I can hit bottle caps at 10 yards 7 out of 10 times and when I miss it's by less than an inch or so. Getting within 10 yards of a Turkey here in Texas with blinds isn't hard. I wouldn't give that head a second thought if I wanted to use it. I just think it's butt ugly and bow hunting is suppose to be beautiful and simple.
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pretty don't kill . cause if it did i wouldnt never kill anything . :biglaugh:
LOL Dorris!! :biglaugh: If I were there and looks could kill...well...everything would be safe!!
-Charlie
I tried them this year. A real pain to carry this thing into the bush. Not suited to any quiver I have, not fun to assemble in the dark when you get to your location. As for neck shots, well it didn't go as planned for me. My eye locked on that great big red head and thats exactly where I smaked him, in the head. The guillotine sliced open his head and gave him one heck of an ear ache. He flew away, making it about 30yrds before crashing to the ground. I'll be using a 190 Simmons next year!
I honestly didn't think this question would cause this great a debate.
Call em as you see em folks. I shot class A barebow bowhunter in NFAA rounds, but I wouldn't think myself good enough to shoot at turkey necks with an arrow mounted scythe 8^). To each his own. I kinda' like the original mousetraps.
Agree with Dorris on this one,
We all make mistakes and as George said none of us are as good as we think we are. But a head neck shot is no different than a vital shot on a deer. Every arrow we shoot we want to be perfect but it isn't to be.
As the old saying goes you will hit closer to the center of a golf ball than you will a basketball. I think some on here are equating a bigger target to better results? not a good philosophy.
later
J
That 190 simmmons is a scythe in itself! LOL
Later
J