Here is what I have done so far:
Bow hush on strings
SBD string with wool puffs
Velcro on the limbs
I am shooting 7595 with 200 gr up front - flying like darts
48@30" 62" PMAX
Shoot 3 under
It does not sound like string noise.
I know I read about some tricks that people have done in the limb attachment area but I can't remember what they are. Any thoughts? I can't find the post on what I saw before.
Mike
what are you running your brace height,i run mine at 8 1/2 inches.i also redid the felt in the limb pockets,i also removed my antler bolts and used brass bolts...also i use a bow quiver,it may help reduce vibration......
I would check your brace height and nocking point.
I have been around a lot of Black Widows and many are just plain loud. That said with the set-up you describe you may be a bit spine stiff and getting some tail slap. I would rely more on paper-tuning than visual to get "flight like darts".
The long draw length and 3 under will make about any bow loud. I struggle with a 32.5" draw and found that two sets of rubber spider leg silencers seem to work best, along with velcro pads at the string/limb contact points. I also wrap (pad) my string ends where they contact the limb grooves with yarn. Helps a lot. I found with my bows and draw length, the original Widow strings were quieter than the SBD strings. I had no good results with puffs, Hush, etc. Rubber silencers did better for me.
I shoot my Widows at the max (9") brace and it does the most for quieting the bows... so much so that if I have a new string, I can hear when it initially stretches and the bow becomes louder until I shorten up the string to reach the 8 7/8" - 9" brace.
I have read that if you take them apart often, that the little "O" rings on the limb alignment pins get squashed flat and can cause noise. Folks claim if you put new ones on that it will help with noise.
Mike, I have a String that may work for you. I'll send it to you, shoot me your address. Ed
OH hold on if it is the FIREWOOD Widow send it to me I'll have to spend some time with it to get it quiet.LOL :knothead:
Try putting some string wax on the limb bolts.
Your setup as far as string and woolpuffs and felt in string grooves sounds good.I have used a similar setup on more than a few widows and they were quiet.I was sooting around 550 to 600 grains.Not much different than your arrows in grain weight
Try running the brace hieght around 9 inches. as mentioned above.make sure limb bolts are snug.
Learn to shoot split finger will go along ways to quieting your widow.Try a 65-70 spined wood arro.9+'' brace.Rubber things that stick on the limbs.Dacron string.Switch to a tab or vice versa.
I do agree w/ Mr Walker on your arro choice.
i will try to make sure i got this right...
first of all - YES this is my FIRE LIMB widow and of course you could borrow it, but i want it back!! let me try some stuff first - if it doesnt work i will try that string - thanks.
string on limb bolts? what does that mean?
if i back on stiffness i do not get a good bare shaft.
i will raise BH - i dont think i was ever quite that high - worth a shot that is simple.
what felt in limb pockets? i have had bow with felt, cork, etc but not my widows - can i add felt between limb and riser?
My psa is 54lbs and im shooting a 470gr arrow out of it. I believe the string is a 8 strand. Brace is 8 1/4. Yarn balls and yarn around the string where it would touch the limb. A little wax in the limb pocket to get rid of creaking. I shoot 3 under and it is realitively quiet for 3 under.
I would think the 75/95s would be stiff even at a 30" draw, possibly causing some noise.
OK - made some changes....
first of all i was wrong - arrows are 5575 with 200 gr up front. ( was not shooting 7595 - just a report mistake)
i changed the brace height to get over nine - got quieter at 9 1/4" - not quiet, but quieter.
i will move on to some of "foresters'" suggestions
thanks for the help
I am fairly new to traditional archery but my PCH is whisper quiet. Sounds like a severe over spine issue to me. 75/95 seems way to stiff. Maybe the arrow is smacking the riser. Maybe try a 35/55 and 55/75 and play with point weight and brace height.
My pch was probably louder than I liked when I got but I just played with it til I found the right combination. Mine ended up liking a 150 Heritage arrow with 200 grain point. Brace height at 8.5 and nock at 1/2 inch. I also served on some cat whiskers instead of the spider silencers. I can't believe how quiet mine is now.
Not trying to hijack this post...but Coach, what would Heritage 150 be in Goldtip terms (3555 or 5575)?
I would assume a 150 is around 500 spine but not for sure. Could probably look on Carbon Express website. I am no expert in anyway. Just giving you what I shoot. Just seemed like a 75/95 would be way to stiff. I actually tried shooting a 75/95 GT out of my 63 pound compound, to get weight up, and it was a way to stiff.
Mike, for other noise than string twang it often helps to put a little string wax on the limb bolts and the locator pins. It really does help. Good luck. Bill
The CE spines about .470 ish. Little stiffer than 3555. And good shaft to boot. Most Lilkly u can use the 150 shafts no problem with 200 grains use the cork material between limbs and riser and check your nock point specially shooting 3 under. Needs to be higher. Use Velcro where string meets limbs. Use your current string. Put silencers in 3 and 4 location. Raise your brace height to max. Listen for noise then raise or lower down. U will find sweet spot no problem. Always works for me and all my buddy's when shooting BW. Real quiet and make sure all bolts are snug. I feel that the 5575 are to stiff for you even with your long draw. They could be slapping the shelf when u shoot. Bare shaft and paper tuning is one way to find out or use talcum powder to see if any contact. Rotate feathers if needed. Little things like that can fool a guy easily to believe they found the so called perfect arrow. Unless the bare shaft or paper tuning to make sure they have right shaft
You might try a quiver on the bow as well to see if it helps.I have been able to get my Widows quiet.I do shoot split finger.Try limbsavers mounted 4 inches above the fadeouts if your not satisfied.They have made any bow I used them on quieter I have no doubt!
Wax you string very well,with a piece of leather run many times along the string for let penetrate the wax,remove all wax excess with a piece of string,natural bee wax is the best for the d10 string material.
Check you nock,if too much squeezed,this is can produce noise.
I will say I have been many times to the Black Widow factory and have never noticed their bows to be any louder than any other recurves. I would think your brace height should be around 8.5" with that bow. One thing to consider is was the bow tillered for 3 under or split fingered. This can sometimes make a big difference.
I mean this in no disrespect, but my expierences are far different from what has been stated here. For that 62 inch bow, unless it is the odd ball, the brace is probably going to be in the 9-9.25 range. Longer bows off the same general design require a longer brace in my expierence. Which isn't the gospel, just unbiased.
I like my widow. I shoot it very well. It is one of the fastest bows I own. It is the smoothest bow I own. It is bulletproof. It is however, the loudest bow I own. They all can be quietened to acceptable levels equal to other bows, it just takes a lot of extra tinkering and tricks. Which is why you see these threads.
They make a great bow. God Bless
i followed some advice and put some plumber tape on locator bolts and that made a noticable difference. i can actually hear the string now - think i am going to change our yarn with the two track silencers or cat whiskers. Getting closer......
i agree great bows and shoot great, but just much harder to get quiet than a Habu Vyperkahn or some others i own.
I ave a PSAX 53@28. I thought it was kinda noisy. Not real bad, just kinda. Because of where I hunt, I needed brush buttons. I have tried 2 different brands because the first ones wouldn't stay put but would move down towards the fur silencers. The next brand stayed where I wanted and have quieted the bow tremendously. I don't know the brand name but the side that faces the silencers looks like the spokes of a wheel. If you want some and can't find them send me a PM and I'll pick some up for you.
I have a PSAX that is as quiet as any bow I have shot. It did take a little messing with. SDB string with 4 SMALL spider leg silencers. I kept going up in brace height with out good results lowered it and it got quieter. I know "higher is supposed to be quieter but you may try to see if it helps.
Never had any problems getting one quiet. I used 12 strands of Dynaflight '97 or 8125 with padded loops, and a little tinkering with the brace height and silencer placement (cat whiskers).
Lots of good stuff about brace height and limb confections. Check all that. Also check O rings. My PCH is now real quiet. I love SBD strings and put them on all my bows, but think I will stay factory for now. I am running 4 Bw spiders, yarn rap, and set of limb savers just on the riser side if the fades. I have had a couple BWs and didn't think I could get one this quiet with a factory string and silencers. I think it is quiet amd I shoot long bows most of the time. I am shooting 3 under on a split tiller also. Shooting 30" 3555 GT trad 200 points. 50@29.
7595 way stuff but 5575 will probably work with the right lengthy and point weight. CE150 could be a good option got your weight and length.
Make sure you are not hitting the shelf. You can bounce off there and get noise and decent arrow flight if you are consistent with your shooting.
Mine's not a black widow, but I tried a pair of stiktamers and they work pretty good.
We have had several Black Widow owners to tell us that our (EFA) bow quiver quietened their bow when nothing else seemed to. That may sound a little self serving but it's happened several times. I wouldn't guarantee that our quiver or anyone elses would do that, but I can see where a lightweight quiver might dampen the noise some. I try to use a quiver on my bows because they are convenient, make a lightweight (mass) bow more stable, and maybe just a little quieter.
Is it even possible to get a BW to dead quiet?
That's because alot of the noise comes from the bolts and studs on a widow. It is possible buy you gotta know what to tinker with. God Bless