Trad Gang

Main Boards => PowWow => Topic started by: cedar on October 21, 2012, 12:47:00 PM

Title: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: cedar on October 21, 2012, 12:47:00 PM
I have never had trouble tuning bows until I bought this one.  It is a 70" Wesley Special, 44@29, I pull 29 3/4.  I shoot cedar and fir arrows, mostly 23/64 but some 11/32, all with 125 points.  I started with 6 1/2 brace height, but after reading some, I dropped it to 6 1/8.  Nock set is 5/8 and I nock arrow below nock set.  I have tried from 40-45 to 60-65 spine.  All have been either 30 or 31". Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: khardrunner on October 21, 2012, 12:48:00 PM
nevermind
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: moebow on October 21, 2012, 02:30:00 PM
What is it that you are trying to fix?  Your Hill should like  50-55 spines with 125 points.

Arne
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: longbowray on October 21, 2012, 03:56:00 PM
I think 55/60 @ 30 bop with 125 tips
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: Canyon on October 21, 2012, 06:08:00 PM
Need to know what each spine group is telling you! I would agree with Moebow that a 50-55 should be really close.
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: ChrisM on October 21, 2012, 06:41:00 PM
If you are torquing the bow nothing will fly right.
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: 30coupe on October 21, 2012, 07:25:00 PM
What are the arrows doing?

Have you tried the nock point under the arrow? Hill style bows seem to like this better for some reason. My recurves and r/d longbows are all nock set over the arrow, but my Hill style longbow likes the nock under.

That said, you really need to give some specifics if you want help.
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: Bill Skinner on October 21, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
My Hills all like an arrow that is spined about 5 pounds lighter than the draw weight.  You are pulling about 45-47 pounds, your bow should like an arrow that is spined about 40-42 pounds.  For a 30 inch arrow, it should have a spine of about 45 pounds, a 31 should spine about 48.

That being said, what, exactly, are your arrows doing?
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: TSP on October 21, 2012, 09:15:00 PM
You didn't say what your arrows are doing.  Fishtail, veer left or right, slap, etc.?
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: ChuckC on October 21, 2012, 10:18:00 PM
For tuning. . . what are the risers of most Hill style bows cut to with respect to center ?   Also,  how wide are Hill style bow limbs at their greatest width ?

Thanks
ChuckC
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: cedar on October 21, 2012, 11:53:00 PM
Everything that I have tried that I stated in the first post shoot stiff through paper.  I think maybe Bill Skinner is on to something.  I have been thinking it would take a 45-50 spine, but thought that seemed pretty weak for a 31" arrow.  I guess Hills are different than my other longbows.
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: moebow on October 22, 2012, 09:49:00 AM
IMO paper tuning is not very reliable for Hill (most trad) bows.  The shaft is vibrating (paradox) a lot after clearing the bow and moving the paper just a few feet can drastically change the tear indications.  Many will recommend the bare shaft planing technique instead. FWIW

Arne
Title: Re: Help me tune my Howard Hill
Post by: cedar on October 22, 2012, 11:25:00 AM
Thanks for the help guys.  I think I figured it out.  I went up to a 6 5/8" brace height and it is shooting just fine.