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Title: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Roger Norris on August 13, 2007, 01:51:00 PM
Which do you guys prefer and why? For you guys who tie them on, how do you do it?
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Kip on August 13, 2007, 02:10:00 PM
Been using the brass nock for 30+years works for me.Kip
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Smallwood on August 13, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
brass nocks
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: JC on August 13, 2007, 02:14:00 PM
Tied because they don't wear my glove or make any noise (arrow ticking), and are easily replaced in the field.

The how to section has a good tutorial. I just tie alternating overhand knots on each side of the string. Take a piece of serving 8" or so, tie it around the string in an overhand knot, paying attention to which side goes over which (like right over left). on the opposite side of the string do the same. Now come back to the original and swap left over right so you have made a square not. Do the same thing on both sides, alternating right over left etc. till you get the size you want. Cut the ends, burn em, drop of super glue...voila. With practice, this knot will stay put but will twist up/down the string if you want it to.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: SteveMcD on August 13, 2007, 02:17:00 PM
I like the tie on. Simple enough. Can be adjusted. And don't have to rely on buying much of anything. Easier on the finger and the glove. And less wear on the bowstring too.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Roger Norris on August 13, 2007, 02:19:00 PM
Thanks guys.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: buckeyebowhunter on August 13, 2007, 02:19:00 PM
The tie ons are my favorite because of what JC said they dont tear up gloves, hurt your fingers, no noise, plus in my opinon they look better.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: eagle24 on August 13, 2007, 02:26:00 PM
What JC said.  Tied on.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Roger Norris on August 13, 2007, 02:29:00 PM
"Quieter" gets my attention. I'm going to try it.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Joe Clark on August 13, 2007, 02:32:00 PM
I use the tie on mainly cause it is easier on my glove.

I also once saw O.L. Adcock say he thought a brass nock cost you about 1fps in speed. I am not that much of a speed junkie but every little bit helps.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Roger Norris on August 13, 2007, 02:41:00 PM
I have never had a "field failure" with a brass nock. Any bad experience with tie on's?
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Post by: Black Gold on August 13, 2007, 02:43:00 PM
tied on
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: ber643 on August 13, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
Tie on for me ever since I went Trad- for all the reasons given.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: SteveMcD on August 13, 2007, 02:59:00 PM
Roger I use only B50 bowstrings. So once they stretch in a bit. I lock in the tie on nock with some clear fingernail polish. Some use super glue.. but the main chemical in super glue can burn a string.. clear nail polish (just like rod builders used for ferrules on bamboo fishing poles). I've yet to have a tie on failure.
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Post by: TimZeigler on August 13, 2007, 04:24:00 PM
Tie one using the adjustable method posted in the How-to section.  Works great and functional to.  Did it this weekend in less than 5 minutes.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Golden Hawk on August 13, 2007, 04:48:00 PM
Tied on! Ihave to agree with JC. Too many gloves and tabs have been ruined by the brass ones. Been using tied on nok points from 3 years now.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Jwilliam on August 13, 2007, 05:06:00 PM
Tie on!! Because I don't feel like ruining my Big Shot gloves.

Bill
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: wsm coyote on August 13, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
Tied on mostly. The ones I do crimp on get filed down and polished smooth with sand paper so they don't wear anything, namely the tip of my nose. I once had a burr on a crimp on slice the tip of my nose open!
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: robslifts on August 13, 2007, 07:44:00 PM
brass because I usually use a speed nock and I shoot three under and the brass is big enough for the speed nock to sit against it and not slide off

I have no problem with my glove wearing out because i shoot three under. jmo
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Post by: zilla on August 13, 2007, 07:57:00 PM
Tie on here..
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Post by: southernarcher on August 13, 2007, 10:09:00 PM
I use tie on nocks,for the same reasons as most above.Glove wear and arrow ticks.One of my buddies uses heat shrink.He has like 3 layers on top of each other works really slick,might try it out.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Roger Norris on August 13, 2007, 10:23:00 PM
Wow. lots of tie on fans!
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: **DONOTDELETE** on August 13, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
Tie on, for the same reason as JC said.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Charlie Lamb on August 13, 2007, 11:30:00 PM
Tie on...that absolutely, positively don't move!!

I'll bet I don't see a sixteenth inch difference in where my nocking points go from one of my bows to the next... regardless of make.

So if I set them in place when the bow is at the proper brace height, I should never need to move it... and I don't! The way I tie them they are there for the life of the string.

Never noticed that nocking point placement changed if the brace height changed anyway. If the brace height changes, you need to adjust the brace height not the nocking point.

Years ago I encountered some problems with the crimp on brass thingies slipping and I ain't gonna have that. (probably more likely to slip if you put the nocking point under the nock than if you put it above...finger pressure and all that)
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: madness522 on August 14, 2007, 06:45:00 AM
Tied on for me.  Never did like brass nocks.  It is a whole lot easier to adjust the nock height with a tied on nock.  Just twist it up of down until you get it perfect then just a dab of CA and it won't move.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: MikeW on August 14, 2007, 06:59:00 AM
Tied on using a rod makers wrap then a drop of CA glue or epoxy.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: James Wrenn on August 14, 2007, 07:01:00 AM
I don't use the brass either.Too tough on gloves and strings.
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Post by: ber643 on August 14, 2007, 07:14:00 AM
Good tip on the clear fingernail polish - I had forgotten how much I used it in fly tying and rod repair. I always cringe just a little whenever I get near my strings with super glue, etc. It doesn't seem to be as bad as it used to be but it may be a difference in string materials used these days. Anyway, I think I'll try the Fingernail Polish on my next knot/nock point and see how it does. Always better safe than sorry.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: the Ferret on August 14, 2007, 07:48:00 AM
You don't want to know    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Eric Krewson on August 14, 2007, 09:15:00 AM
I double serve the top of my normal serving to create a nocking point and make the string a little fatter. The larger, double served area seems to come off my top finger better on release.

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v181/ekrewson/doubleserved.jpg)

I shoot a tab and brass nocks wil eat the side of my finger off in short order.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Grant Young on August 14, 2007, 09:28:00 AM
Tie on for me. Cheap, quiet, no tools necessary and one less "adjustment" to make when I really ought to look at my release-LOL.    Grant
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: David Mitchell on August 14, 2007, 01:16:00 PM
Tie on here as well for all the above stated reasons.  Not much that I don't mess around and experiment with in archery but my tie on nocks are a given on all my bows.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Bobby Urban on August 14, 2007, 04:09:00 PM
Tie on for me?  Never really thought of another option?  I needed a nock and had a fraying old Carhart coat on so I took a a fraying thread off the sleave and made a nock.  Been doing the same ever since.  I use super glue w/o any trouble

Bob Urban
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Bill Turner on August 14, 2007, 04:28:00 PM
Switched from brass crimp on nocks to tie on a couple of years back after nipping a string while crimping.   :banghead:    :banghead:
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Hot Hap on August 14, 2007, 10:02:00 PM
Brass
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: vermonster13 on August 14, 2007, 10:11:00 PM
Both. Brass to get it where I want it, then if the bow is a keeper I tie on one above and below for permanence.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: cedar swampman on August 14, 2007, 10:14:00 PM
Leon Stewart taught me how to tie on my nocking points years ago and been doing ever since. I wax it real good with wax from my bees and away I go.Doesn't eat up strings and doesn't move and if I have to replace it(because of wear) it is easily done.
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Post by: ArkyBob on August 14, 2007, 10:16:00 PM
Tie on for me.  Just too simple and no tools required.
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Post by: stringplucker613 on August 14, 2007, 10:38:00 PM
Tie on, the Byron Ferguson way, top and bottom.......
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Archer 1 on August 15, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
Tie on, the same as stringplucker, top & bottom.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: MI_Bowhunter on August 15, 2007, 10:30:00 AM
I'd always used brass and never had a problem.

The last bow I bought came with a string nock so I've been using it ever since.  

I see no functional difference between the two but I no longer get the nock grove in my gloves that I used to.    

I'll continue with the string nock if for no other reason then it's one less tool I have to keep in my pack.
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Post by: O.L. Adcock on August 15, 2007, 11:22:00 AM
Tie on, one above and one below, set with thin super glue.....O.L.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Rick McGowan on August 15, 2007, 11:51:00 AM
I have and still do use both, but most of the time I use the brass, its much easier to move it I want to try something. They used to make a groove in my tabs too, I don't really think it hurts anything, but now I take a flat needle file and smooth off the sharp edges, it takes about a minute and no more grooves.
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Post by: carphunter100 on August 15, 2007, 12:43:00 PM
never had any problems with brass and I like em. But once again its whatever the person likes.
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Post by: hickstick on August 15, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
for a long time, just cause I was lazy, I just used simple blue masking tape.  wrapped around the string serving.  started doing that when bowmaking on my tillering strings since I used them of several differnt bows.  

lately been using brass nocks and once I filed then down a touch no glove wear.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Frank V on August 15, 2007, 04:12:00 PM
JC has it. I like the way tie ons adjust up & down the string till it's just right then glue it. You can still break the glue bond & adjust it if you have to. Frank
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Jack Denbow on August 15, 2007, 07:55:00 PM
Tied.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Roger Norris on August 15, 2007, 09:59:00 PM
I tied one on my Lil Fav string today, shot it about 20 arrows. I like it so far. I think I am getting a smoother release.
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: dragonheart on August 15, 2007, 10:25:00 PM
Tie on top and bottom.  Brass nock points can also wear the top of the arrow nock.  Those of you that shoot brass, look at the arrow nocks on your arrows and see if it is worn from the brass eating in at full draw.

Jeff
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: BD on August 15, 2007, 10:58:00 PM
brass-been using them for 25 years and never had a problem.

BD
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: fisheye47 on August 16, 2007, 12:52:00 AM
Tie on, top and bottom no problems.Only broke two bowstrings in my life both broke at a pinch-on nockpoint-that was enough for me.   CAM  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: tied on nock points vs brass crimp on
Post by: Rick McGowan on August 16, 2007, 08:11:00 AM
dragonheart, I just checked some of my nocks from arrows that are probably almost 20 years old and not a mark on the nocks.
I just remembered some OLD nocking points I used that are made out of heat shrink tubing, they actually are the best in some ways, soft so they don't wear on anything and very positve positioning.