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Title: Which arrow. Given all spined correctly. just answer in thread box.
Post by: tzolk on September 18, 2012, 10:21:00 PM
Which arrow would you choose to hunt with if they were all spined correctly. Each set up has its pluses and minuses.
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Post by: rastaman on September 18, 2012, 10:26:00 PM
Something is wrong with your poll set up. It wants you to pick all three. You can't submit an answer for just one.
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Post by: arrowlauncherdj on September 18, 2012, 10:46:00 PM
Id pick the second set up
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Post by: AWPForester on September 18, 2012, 11:19:00 PM
Third one if the bow was tuned good.  God Bless
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Post by: Night Wing on September 18, 2012, 11:27:00 PM
All three are good.
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Post by: tzolk on September 19, 2012, 04:04:00 AM
Bummer, I see what you are talking about. First time I've set up a poll so I probably did something wrong and looks like it can't be edited.
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Post by: rugrat on September 19, 2012, 06:32:00 AM
2nd choice for me as well.
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Post by: BigJim on September 19, 2012, 07:34:00 AM
I wouldn't hunt with any of them. Appears that you are after speed and are opting for light arrows in order to get that.
Add 100g to each of the arrows, shoot to make sure it shoots well, quit worying about what % foc as long as you have some to alot FOC.
this will give you a quieter friendlier smoother bow and considerably more penetration.

bigjim
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Post by: tzolk on September 19, 2012, 07:43:00 AM
Hey Big Jim. I'm not concerned about foc at all. These are the three arrow combos at my disposal. Are you suggesting weight tubes? Because if there is more point weight, it would change the spine. I don't know if weight tubes will, haven't tried them yet.
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Post by: tzolk on September 19, 2012, 07:47:00 AM
Hey Big Jim. I'm not concerned about foc at all. These are the three arrow combos at my disposal. Are you suggesting weight tubes? Because if there is more point weight, it would change the spine. I don't know if weight tubes will, haven't tried them yet.
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Post by: centaur on September 19, 2012, 07:48:00 AM
Large James x2
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Post by: tackhammer on September 19, 2012, 08:13:00 AM
Number 2
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Post by: BigJim on September 19, 2012, 08:17:00 AM
Weight tubes are a real pain in the a$$. I would never suggest them.

From what I can tell, you are shooting about 62 #s. I don't know anything about your bow or draw length so I'm lacking enough info to get this close.
I will tell you that you should be able to shoot a lot more front weight on the 7595's if not, build out the sight window a touch.
I am shooting the 7595's out of an 80lb bow at 31"s and 300 up front. Yes, I have had to build out the sight window. Doesn't hurt a thing to do this for tuning. Once the arrow are flying correctly, the depth of the seight window means nothing!
If you would like more help, feel free to contact me.
thanks, bigjim
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Post by: doug77 on September 19, 2012, 08:20:00 AM
X2  what Big Jim says

doug77
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Post by: Sean B on September 19, 2012, 08:45:00 AM
2nd set up for me.
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Post by: Bill Carlsen on September 19, 2012, 09:11:00 AM
I'de shoot the arrow that shoots the straightest. If they are all equal in that regard I'de shoot the one with the best FOC.
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Post by: tzolk on September 19, 2012, 09:15:00 AM
Thanks Jim! That is one Elephant smoking set up your packing. This is for a Toelke Super D. 66" 55@28 30" draw. #2 #3 are set-ups I currently have. #1 is an incoming set-up.
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Post by: TxAg on September 19, 2012, 09:52:00 AM
i pick #2 but I'm sure they'll all work just fine.
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Post by: JamesKerr on September 19, 2012, 10:04:00 AM
If I had to choose out of those 3 I would pick number two as the weight is not much less than number ones and it has better foc. However I would personally never hunt with an arrow under 550 grains. That is because I mainly shoot 55# -60# bows and I want at least 9gpp. I really prefer arrows that are around 11-12 gpp.
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Post by: Hoyt on September 19, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
Number 2.
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Post by: Bladepeek on September 19, 2012, 10:51:00 AM
x2 what Big Jim said. I like my arrows to be 10 - 11 gpp. All of my arrows from CE90s to CE250's are set up to be within that range for the bow I shoot them from.
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Post by: gringol on September 19, 2012, 11:00:00 AM
I think they are all a bit light.  That said, hunting season is upon us, and if these are the only choices to get you out in the woods immediately, I'd go with arrow #1.  It should be enough for whitetails....
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Post by: Danny Rowan on September 19, 2012, 11:49:00 AM
None of them. All are too light for my tastes. But I could put a 100 gr brass insert in the 75/95 and the 250's with a 300 gr point and they would fly great out of my bows. But all I use are AD trads. so it is moot.
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Post by: Zradix on September 19, 2012, 11:53:00 AM
I'd choose the heaviest.
It would most likely FEEL better.
Some of my choice, as the setups are virtually identical from a hunting stand point, would have to do with game being hunted and broadhead choice.
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Post by: Joeabowhunter on September 19, 2012, 11:56:00 AM
QuoteOriginally posted by JamesKerr:
If I had to choose out of those 3 I would pick number two as the weight is not much less than number ones and it has better foc. However I would personally never hunt with an arrow under 550 grains. That is because I mainly shoot 55# -60# bows and I want at least 9gpp. I really prefer arrows that are around 11-12 gpp.
x2 but I prefer 10-11 gpp
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Post by: Jason R. Wesbrock on September 19, 2012, 12:41:00 PM
I'd hunt with any of them, bit probably pick #3. As I recall, Eichler shoots around 490 grains in the 190 fps range. They seem to work well for him.
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Post by: Ladams on September 19, 2012, 01:07:00 PM
the top two have the same kenitic energy so i would take #2 because it is faster but still has some mass to it.
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Post by: tzolk on September 19, 2012, 01:20:00 PM
I see a some guys choose the 10gpp area. The top two would be 10gpp -ish out of a 51lb bow, therefore it would be ok. But why would those same arrows not be preferred out of a 60 lb bow? Is this for vibration/quietness reasons?  It can't be for killin reasons cause Deer / Elk don't get dead from only 10gpp arrows. 10gpp seems to have a good following and I'm thinking its for the smooth, quiet release reasons.  ?
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Post by: tzolk on September 19, 2012, 05:16:00 PM
I see a some guys choose the 10gpp area. The top two would be 10gpp -ish out of a 51lb bow, therefore it would be ok. But why would those same arrows not be preferred out of a 60 lb bow? Is this for vibration/quietness reasons?  It can't be for killin reasons cause Deer / Elk don't get dead from only 10gpp arrows. 10gpp seems to have a good following and I'm thinking its for the smooth, quiet release reasons.  

Beside from trying to get the quietest arrow, I don't see the the need to go out of the way to get to 10gpp. I'm already blessed shooting Dan Toelke bows and these are the quietest Ive shot without heavy arrows. I think they are actually made by the woodland Elves and not Dan. Think I'm gonna go with the CX combo. There's a lot of chatter about high foc ( like the second option)and good flight but Mr Hatfield states the best flight comes from moderate foc and I think he's done some hard research on the subject. All good advice here, sites like this make the sport more accessible and I thank you!
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Post by: drewsbow on September 19, 2012, 08:13:00 PM
2nd one
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Post by: StickBowManMI on September 19, 2012, 08:20:00 PM
Number 3 for me.
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Post by: Terry Green on September 20, 2012, 12:45:00 PM
Not specific enough....

Hunt WHAT with?

Bow weight?

Draw length?
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Post by: Tajue17 on September 20, 2012, 01:00:00 PM
I like the specs of the 2nd setup but I hate gold tips and doubt they would ever spine correctly from arrow to arrow so I'm going with heritage just for the consistancy
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Post by: arrowlauncherdj on September 20, 2012, 02:54:00 PM
Already voted on #2, but Terry asked the questions above... the bow is 60# +/- and I'd say draw length has to be 29-30" given the grains per pound shown for each set up and the overall speed. Based on that alone, I'd say, it doesnt matter what you hunt.  That is more than adequate for any light skinned game up to at least elk,maybe even moose if you pick your shots.  Dangerous African game, no... bear or cat over here, yes.

Dave
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Post by: Terry Green on September 20, 2012, 03:21:00 PM
Sorry....I just read the 1st post ....didn't have time to read it all at the time....some of the info I asked was there.

My bad.

  :campfire:
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Post by: tzolk on September 20, 2012, 03:36:00 PM
That's right Dave,  60@30. My bow isn't in the calc , Toelke Super D. I used an Allen Boyce English and great northern classic for a number model. I have been shooting the GT combos over the past couple of days and the #2 flies real well.  They both fly well  and straight but the heavier 7595 provides a smoother shot. Should have the CX combo next well to try out. My money is on that combo. Arrows are 31". The cx will be 31.5.
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Post by: Thumper Dunker on September 20, 2012, 03:41:00 PM
# 2
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Post by: WidowEater on September 20, 2012, 03:44:00 PM
The first one because it is the heaviest but it is on the very cusp of the very minimum of what is suggested for the lightest arrow.

So really, none of them.
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Post by: jrbb00 on September 20, 2012, 03:54:00 PM
First choice for me also.
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Post by: tzolk on September 28, 2012, 01:57:00 PM
Well, I have the CX shafts and they are flying horrible. Nock high and tip to the right through paper at 5 yards. I cut two down to 31, same as my Gold Tips and no big changes . These 250 are supposed to be a heavier spine than my GT Trad 5575 but they are flying weaker. I have lowered the point weight down to 100 grains and no changes. At that low of a tip weight, there is no longer a weight advantage over option #2. Option 2 and 3 are punching bullet holes through paper and the CX are way off.

I lowered my nock height to 3/8 and still flying tail high. Don't want to go lower than that. Any pointers? I just put them up in the classifieds.