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Look for something with permethrin. Treat your clothes. Do not apply to skin. I find wearing tall rubber boots with treated pants tucked into them works well.
x2 for permethrin (aka permanone).
Cabelas has a product called "sawyers" that works well. You apply to your clothes prior to wearing them.
Also, eat a bunch of garlic. It works better than you'd expect...
Buy 8 oz bottle of permethrin at Tractor Supply. Mix 1 oz with 16 to 20 oz of water and spray clothes, let dry before wearing them.
In looking at the Sawyer products they say the pump spray lasts for 2 weeks but the Sawyers aerosol lasts for six weeks.
Yes, the permanone is ideal for you.It kills ticks and chiggers. Pay attention to the application instructions as you don't want to sparay it directly on your skin, because this causes a an irritation for some people. Spray your pants both inside and out as well as socks and boots. If the vegetation is tall, you may want to treat your shirt as well.
We have serious tick issues in GA, but this product has really been effective. I still use an all natural lotion on my face and hands to repel mosquitoes.
Permanone works!
QuoteOriginally posted by Mint:
In looking at the Sawyer products they say the pump spray lasts for 2 weeks but the Sawyers aerosol lasts for six weeks.
I have the pump spray and it says it lasts for 6 weeks and/or through 6 washings... :dunno:
A friend of mine who hunts in some of the nastiest brush and swamps on our Eastern Shore uses the stuff from Tractor Supply or Southern States the same way that John49 mentioned. He never has a problem with either ticks or chiggers and they're both really bad on that side of the Bay. I usually hunt with him after the ticks have died off, so haven't used it myself, but I believe he knows of which he speaks.
Permanone can be had at tractor supply stores in bulk and mixed .05% perm and 95% water.
Definitely treat your clothes with Permanone. I also use Deep Woods Off. I hunted a lot last year in some pretty "ticky" areas and didn't get a single one on me. My buddy, on the other hand, got several. He didn't prepare adequately.
I just bought The Sawyer version. Nothing else has worked well this year. Going to treat my leafy suit and Muck boots. Tuck pants in boots and leafy over I hope that works til frost rolls around.
Is this what you bought from Tractor Supply? Gordon's® Permethrin-10 Livestock & Premise Spray, 8 fl. oz.
Permetherin is marketed under different brand names but is the active ingredient that repels ticks in all brands. It should be applied to clothing and allowed to dry thoroughly before wearing. It breaks down very quickly (20 to 30 minutes) when applied to skin.
It can be purchased in aerosol or pump spray bottles. Be sure to follow instructions.
Below is a link on use of permethrin and DEET that offers more information:
http://www.tickinfo.com/permethrin.htm
I and many coworkers have used permethrin in tick-rich environments in multiple west, midwest, and southeast US states with great success. I have wokred at sites where finding 20 to 30 ticks on each field crew member two to three times a day was common until we started using permethrin products.
Has anyone whom has used these repellents, experienced any adverse effects? Either on your skin, your gear, or in hunting situations. Do you feel that you are more likely to get busted, either winded or from crossing your trail, than if you don't use these products?
QuoteOriginally posted by John49:
Buy 8 oz bottle of permethrin at Tractor Supply. Mix 1 oz with 16 to 20 oz of water and spray clothes, let dry before wearing them.
Will last you the whole season
I buy permethrin by the quart and use it for a few years. I might buy the gallon next time.
Pest control supply houses will have what you need in bulk.
Treat your dogs bedding for a flea, tick, mosquito, fly, etc. free house. Treat your mattress and box spring to control bed bugs. Treat the corners of your house inside and out to keep roaches away.
I hope this stuff doesnt cause cancer because if it does....
Recurvericky, you got the right stuff.
I have used it for years, and I do have a slight skin irritation if I spray it directly on me. If I wait till my garments dry after spraying them, I have had no problems (and I use it liberally). I have not noticed any scent issues with it, but, in my opinion, if they smell the permethrin product, they will be smelling you anyway. I absolutely recommend that it be the product that you just don't leave home without.
Permethrin works on clothes, if you want to have a bit of extra protection for where your poisoned clothes don't protect you, neck hair etc., in bad situations something on the skin may be needed. My meat provider, organic rancher, uses oregano spray for himself and his livestock. He swears by it, he has native prairie pastures and legume pastures that are always rather high and full of ticks. He says the ticks are there and yet they rarely get any ticks on themselves. The way I understand it, it is basically oregano tea. I am going to try it for next spring turkey hunting.
I was watching a hunting show the other day and a guy poured sevens dust all in his blind... Was that his tick repellent? It was muzzys show
Thank You ALL for the Info!! :readit: :archer:
Does DEET do anything to keep them off your skin...or at least from diggin in?
My area in MI has just come under an advisary for them.
I've never really had to worry about them before...never even seen one.
I hear they're often pin head small.
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Funny you should ask. I just picked this up about an hour ago.
QuoteOriginally posted by CHENRYIV:
QuoteOriginally posted by John49:
Buy 8 oz bottle of permethrin at Tractor Supply. Mix 1 oz with 16 to 20 oz of water and spray clothes, let dry before wearing them.
Will last you the whole season [/b]
OK...trusting what is posted here, I and a buddy went to tractor supply, got the 10% Permythrin and a nice 36 oz spray bottle...
I mixed it up 1 oz /32oz of water and it smelled like fuel oil...sprayed clothes, let dry 24 hrs.
Wore in damp woods setting stands... started to stink when wet... came home later in day and stripped and my SKIN smelled like this stuff.
Did some checkin with some math gurus...
Taking a 10% solution to dilute it to .05% solution you need less than a TEASPOON in 32oz of water...
There are
6 teaspoons in one ounce!!! I had a mix 6x stronger that was not intended for clothing.
Seems the .05% solution is right, but may have missed the calculation that it's a 10% concentrate one starts with...
FWIW...
I also found a 24oz trigger spray bottle of Sawyers at, get this, the Hardware Store, for $17... less than wally world for the 12 oz on a per oz basis.
Who knew??
It always works out good for me to buy the spray cans. That way I don't have to worry about whether or not I mixed it right. Well, Doc Nock, at that strength you may not need to treat that set of clothes ever again. They may have soaked up a lifetime of product.
Somebody asked about whether DEET keeps ticks off. For me, it does not. I only use it for mosquitoes and gnats.
You need a 0.5% solution. Not 0.05%
I buy it by the quart of 36% permethrin. It lasts me awhile and I use it a whole lot more than for ticks and chiggers. I treat my yard, dog kennel, ALL of my clothes. I use it as a house spray because the 1% solution kills roaches and other pests.
I spray my truck carpet and floor mats with permanone during hunting season, I also spray truck bed and all arround my skinning rack after every kill. During hunting season I spray my house carpet with it too. it's very rare for me to find a tick on my self, when I do find one its when I'm skinning a hog or deer and have direct contact with the hide. Like Sam I buy the premixed 0.50% stuff in the cans for my clothes and I buy the Tractor Supply 10% mix dilute it to 1% and use it to spray the grass arround my skinning rack
Thanks, w.e and Robert,
Since the stuff you buy (I bought) at Tractor Supply in the 10% concentrate has NO formula in the many page booklet for treating personal clothing and a TON of warnings to wear protective clothing even spraying it... and there are many past and current threads with anywhere from .5% to .05%...well, there doesn't seem to be a factual way to know which decimal point is acceptable for long term contact with humans' clothing under sweaty condition, eh???
I've done enough stuff to myself we NOW know was /is harmful... I'm thinking I don't need to add anymore... :(
Not all permethrin is blended for the purpose of bonding to fabric. Most permethrin is agricultural which is for pest control on vegetation. Its design purpose is to stick to plants thus protecting the plants. Veterinary products are designed to adhere to animal skins/hair or premises and are not for fabric application. Some permethrin is formulated for treatment of medical conditions such as head lice and scabies. The formulations are not interchangeable mostly because of solvents utilized.
Found the above on www.tickinfo.com (http://www.tickinfo.com) that Bowslinger posted earlier.
I loved playing with mercury...didn't you..?
lol
T.P.
Nice link... yes, apparently, from my recent experience, the stuff you get for animal applications (that was the most frequent solutions or barn treatments in the bottle we bought) the solvent has to be petroleum distillates...it stinks like fuel oil.
I have a 7 oz amount left if anyone wants to come get it! :)
Zradix...
yes I did like playing with mercury..always a treat when a thermometer got broken at home or school...roll it around all over the desk...then coat pennies and rub them cause they were slickery.
That isn't the least of it all... using asbestos sheets to light firecracker glow worms on... worked where we washed resin off TV tube faces with acetone and tolulene with bare hands... etc, etc...
But... There is something about spraying stuff that smells like fuel on my clothing to hunt deer that just doesn't work for me... I have this odd notion it would put off the deer and keep them outa my bow range...but then that's just ME! :)
Got a friend just getting over a tick born disease. I couldn't even begin to pronounce it, but day's of migrains, then high fever and sick as a dog. Finally went to the ER where she was diagnosed and put on antibiotics. Those little suckers carry some nasty stuff so for me I don't care how bad the smell, I'm using it.
QuoteOriginally posted by Zradix:
Does DEET do anything to keep them off your skin...or at least from diggin in?
My area in MI has just come under an advisary for them.
I've never really had to worry about them before...never even seen one.
I hear they're often pin head small.
Yes, DEET does help, but here in FL you're likely to sweat so much that a few will find a spot where the DEET has been diluted with sweat and make themselves at home. DEET is certainly better than nothing, but it smells quite a bit. Sawyer's permithrin is odorless once dry, so put it on your clothes the night before you hunt and you'll be good to go.
DOC...ah oh..I'm supposed to use gloves with toluene and acetone?...ooops..lol
gringol ...thank you.
does the permithrin really keep them from crawling onto your neck or other body parts?
I've heard they fall off the trees and bushes, get in your hair and like to crawl to your neck/hairline and dig in.
If that's the case, they wouldn't get in contact with the permithrin.....maybe I need to wear a hat soaked in the stuff too...?
I'm not knocking the above help and knowledge at all...I'm reading with much interest..just trying to understand the little demon.
So once I spray my clothes with the permithrin and let them dry, is it then OK to have those treated clothes touching my skin?
Thanks guys!
I usually catch them crawling up my legs. If you don't catch them, they do try to make their way to your neck, under arms, etc. I don't think they actually drop from trees 82nd Airborne style. They cling to brush with their leg out-stretched waiting for something to brush against them. Then the hop on. If you rarely touch brush in the woods, you rarely get ticks. The permethrin manufacturers recommend that you wear long-sleaves, keep your shirt tucked in, and even tuck your pants into your socks. That way they have to touch your treated clothes in order to get to you.
My favorite part of permithrin is that it actually kills the little devils.
Yes, zradix, it's fine to have the treated clothes touch your skin once they have dried.
I like stuff that kills..
Sounds like very good advice!
Thanks Gringol!
Bowless, the commercial stuff that adheres to fabric is oderless. Its the stuff thats formulated for vegetation and animals that will have an odor.
QuoteOriginally posted by Tall Paul:
Bowless, the commercial stuff that adheres to fabric is oderless. Its the stuff thats formulated for vegetation and animals that will have an odor.
Apparently its the solvent or carrier medium that is different...
There is a version one of the big sites that is sold by only ONE STORE in the country that is supposedly formulated for people and clothing...but it's rather expensive and time consuming in you bag clothes and set them and leave them damp in the bag for 2 hrs... aaayyye.
Zradix,
I wear those head coverings with the eyes cut out...I spray them too, wear them and a hat... deer freak out at our /my white skin in the trees!
Consequently, with camo gloves, head face mask, hat, jacket and pants... I have no untreated exposed skin... cept when scouting...
And yeah..if you walk through overhanging brush or pines, you might have them suckers fall on you, but as stated, they hang in brush... and YES, the wee ones we call 'seed ticks" and are of the virulent Deer Tick variety I'm told which carry lyme the most...
Skeeters care W. Nile virus, ticks carry so many different diseases, chiggers make you nuts... (er)and who knows what else out there that bites, stings or sucks blood will do to us now...
I'm back to using Sawyers... but I won't be in the woods without permanone on my clothes.
I bought permithrin 10% product from a pet supply place online. It has a very mild, maybe castor oil smell.
I cut it to 0.5% with water and add a little primos earth Scent spray to it, figure I am killing two birds with one stone.
I am sure the stuff in the spray can has an ingredient to help it stick to fabric but I have had no problems with my home made spray and have never had a tick, chigger and barely a mosquito get me.
I spray my clothes the night before including head wrap/hat, gloves,face mask and socks.
I have a Thermocell but I rarely use it except in the worst conditions, I think the clothing treatment keeps them away.
I don't know how safe it is, but I have heard of wearing a dog flea/tick collar over each pants cuff/boot top.
So what is the correct ratio of water to Permethrin-10 to get it to 0.5%? I have some that is made by PBI/Gordan company and it says its for livestock and premise spray. It smells like Frankwright's does. (A mild castor oil smell.) Is 20 oz of water to 1 oz of Permethrin-10 correct? Thanks