I LOVE to watch bowhunting shows even though they are all about wheelies.
How come you don't see any traditional bowhunting shows!
I get tired of watching 50 yrd shots using Mathews,SWACKER broadheads and Nikon rangefinders but I do like to see those big bucks!
Being able to watch a traditonal bowhunt for whitetails or hogs every week would be GREAT!
How about TRADISH! Traditional bowhunting with Lee & Tiffany! Sponsored by Blackwidow bows & Snuffer broadheads! LOL!!!
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There are some. I saw one with the Wensel brothers.
Hmmmm.....not entirely sure.....but perhaps its not a bad thing?!
Not enough product placement
How about a show with Fred Eichler. That might be cool!
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Fred Eichler already has his own show... :thumbsup:
The way tv hunting people are torn apart on the internet for expressing their excitement or making a bad shot, who'd wanna be filmed? Before Trad Barta had his spinal stroke, he was hated...
Just stop and think about how many trinkets are required to operate a wheel bow. Many trinkets equal many sponsors. And, like golf clubs, you simply must have this years latest and greatest, or you are not going to get those five extra yards.
Easton bowhunting has been on TV for several years. I do agree it would be nice if there were more choices.
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Most likely it's because ethics and good taste doesn't sell products. :dunno: JMHO!!
AS they said above. I have contacted several of the "sportsman" tv programs. None of them was interested with my ideas. I Believe it is of course sponsor driven, gotta have money. I did hear back from the History channel on my idea of a show that would follow great hunts, the guys, the gear and the times, with reactment.
Everybody is in it for the money. Trad does not generate enough.
I agree with the money part and ALL the sponsors needed.
Most of the bowhunting shows consist of 15 minutes of huntng and 15 minutes of wheelie ads but it would be cool if a company like BEAR would sponsor the show and you still could sneak in a REALTREE ad!
But then again could to many shows bring traditional bowhunting down to the commercialized wheelie standards? That would be sad!
Stick to the REAL stuff in videos, and help THOSE guys produce MORE. There are great ones out there.
There are not many trad shows because the budgets of trad companies don't compare. Bows and gadgets that age and evolve quickly are great for creating large advertising budgets.
I know a guy that had produced and helped produce shows on the big outdoor channels. I couldn't believe what it cost for a shows slot. It was well over a half a million dollars for thirteen episodes. The show has to pay for their slot and then (hopefully before) line up sponsors to cover the cost of placement, producing the show, and hopefully make a profit in the end. He said there is so much competition with hunters buying prosumer comcorders and willing to work for nothing that it is an extremely difficult market unless you happen to be one of the well respected and long running shows.
I was shocked when I got a quote for a full page color ad in some of the moderately circulated (100,000 copies) hunting magazine, not the biggest ones remember, $30,000+ for a single month.
One of the great things about trad is that we get to purchase bows and gear that will last decades. Compound bows and equipment are like computers, you pay a lot and don't expect to have it more than a few years. Completely different markets and there is a lot more money that flows into the latter.
Those shows are all about selling the latest and greatest junk to come on the market. Ozone sprayer? Do we really need one ? Does the dam thing even work. Trad guys are to self sufficient . If something sounds like a good idea one of us figures out how to make it cheep then spreads the word.
What the heck is an ozone sprayer? It sounds like something related to global "warming"!(Its 49 degrees on a mid August night!)
I used to watch a show called Redhawk Outdoors on the Outdoor Channel a few years ago.It didnt last long. I really enjoyed that show. I remember him hunting pheasnts with a recurve, deer with a muzzleloader and there was some fishing thrown in there too. When he killed something he would say a prayer instead of whooping and hollering and carrying on like he had scored a game winning touch down in the super bowl.
Scott.
It is very hard for traditional archer companies to sponsor show. Each bowyer, string maker, broadhead forger, and what have you has a very small part of the market. Not worth the money. There are great video out there. One suggestion is that more of the video makers sell digital copies.
QuoteOriginally posted by Bear Heart:
It is very hard for traditional archer companies to sponsor show. Each bowyer, string maker, broadhead forger, and what have you has a very small part of the market. Not worth the money. There are great video out there. One suggestion is that more of the video makers sell digital copies.
I looked into selling our dvd digitally, especially for international order. I wasn't able to find a secure and reliable method of delivery while keeping costs under control. Technology is definately heading in that direction and hopefully we can find what will work well.
Most likely has to do with market and potential sales with advertising. Much more money to be made with the high tech crowd due to higher percentage of viewing audience being wheel bow shooters.
I think there are a lot of trad shooters on tv these days. I worked from home and keep the hunting shows on pretty much all day.
Obviously Eichlers show, but bow hunter tv, muzzy, American archer, and backland routinely have trad shooters on, even pig man was shooting a bear take down this yr. More and more all the time.
Our time will come. Maybe not with a divoted series, but at least with more exposure. Fred Eikler does a good job with his show, but it doesn't promote "trad archery". It's just another hunting show. They're all the same. We went here, these are the bucks we've been seeing and have pictures of, this is the scent we used, sponsor plug, we had to change our set up, this was (all the uneccesary) equipment we used..... Blah blah blah.
It would be nice to have something to watch that we could actually learn something from, and appreciate. Something that showed a little more involvement from the hunter, and I don't mean smashing ginormous antlers together and blowing the grunt tube like its a damn flute.
It's about time the hunting show evolved to show that we're not just ruthless killers of cute fuzzy animals, but that we're people who respect life and the outdoors, and care about the management and conservation of this beautiful place we call earth. And that we do more to protect what we love than any anti or tree hugger could dream about.
We need to show that it's not all about the kill. But rather an understanding and appreciation of Gods great gift and all his marvelous creation! Every hunt, every journey is an adventure. We need a show that promotes that adventure, not just the kill. And certainly not all the latest and greatest, you need this to be successful, crap. It's the adventure we crave. Not just shooting big bucks. Sorry for the rant.
OK, this IS a bit of a reach, but we've got Trad Hunting "shows" right here on Trad Gang.
And no commercial interruptions.
Every time one of us posts a pictorial essay of one of their hunts, we get to watch and learn and get pretty pumped for our own little world. Or at least I do.
I don't like to name names, because someone always gets left out, BUT when Charlie Lamb or Andy Ivy tell a tale, it's about as interesting as it gets.
LOTS of others tell a good story as well.
The "hunting industry" has ruined any chance for a quality hunting show. It's all about selling the latest gadget or camo patern. The standards for programming are eroding. The outhouse channel used to prohibit repetition of "impact sequences". Now you can repeat them twice. It's really a sad state of affairs.
For any given wheel bow show, you can get money from sponsors for: Bow, rest, quiver, sight, peep sight, stabilizer, laser rangefinder, laser rangefinder tactical riser attachment system, string silencer, limb vibration dampeners, riser vibration dampeners, quiver vibration dampeners, stabilizer vibration dampener bushings, buck fever vibration dampeners, erratic heartbeat vibration dampeners, knee knock vibration dampeners, release, strings/cables, string loops, arrows, broadheads, vanes, lighted nocks, hard sided case, bow hanging hook, special "archery" gloves, mask, pants, boots, shirt, etc..... Is there any other absolutely mandatory bow hunting equipment that I missed? If I left anything out, my whole hunt will be ruined.
Not much money advertising for a couple of sticks and string. Especially when so many trad hunters make their own sticks and strings instead of buying them.
Maybe we should all get together and start a non-profit traditional archery entertainment foundation.
Cave drawings - the original outdoor channel.
Walk into any sporting goods store or pick up a catalog and what do you see? Kind of tells you where the majority of $ are being spent. Shows will follow the $. My Charter TV/internet/phone bill got so out of sight I drastically pruned it. Kept the basic and extended basic package so my wife could watch her "reality" shows, but lost my military channel, history channel and all my outdoors channels. Don't really miss them. I was getting a bit tired of seeing nothing but 150+ bucks getting shot and 5 minutes of hand pumping and whispering.
Take the dogs for a walk through our local cemetery/woods trail and see how many deer I can get withing longbow/recurve range of. Far more satisfying. There are lots of good Trad Hunting DVDs out there if it's pouring and I don't feel like getting soaked that morning.
Sour grapes? Maybe.
I did love Tred Barta's show - it is one of the things that got me interested in traditional. He is sometimes over the top, but he knows it and revels in it. It was so different to see an entire episode devoted to shooting at sandhill cranes and not killing any, but Tred didn't care, he obviously enjoyed the journey. It was sad to see illness strike the man.
I also agree, that it is all explained by the $$$. I've read in a couple places that some of the older well known hunters would rather be shooting traditional, but they get paid a lot to shoot the latest compounds (with a full compliment of accessories).
I think it's a coming thing... There is a show on the outdoor channel called "Hunting with Sasquatch" that is pretty cool. it's not all trad bow hunting, but it's not your typical hunting show either. I built a long bow for this huge mountain man and he's already taken a mountain lion with it and a huge bison. and is giving up the compound bow completely this coming year and plans on taking elk, and white tail with the long bow this season.
The Bison hunt will be airing in late August.
http://laramymiller.com/
Scott Anderson from backlandTV just contacted me last week and wants to use one of my long bows this coming season too.... So i think it's getting more popular, and we'll see more this coming year.... Kirk
http://www.backlandtv.com/about-the-show/
theres a show on the pursuit channel called "backland experience". the guy on there uses a longbow with flint arrow tips.
Bjorn said it all. More M-O-N-E-Y in the Wheelies, and More Compounds OUT there than "Tradish".??? :confused: Is this the New Slang for "Traditional"?? Cocktail Slang, "Oh yes... I Shoot Tradish." :biglaugh:
Admittedly, it's been a number of years since I paid any attention to hunting show. But with the exception of Eichler's show, I used to cringe when the preview of any show involved someone with a stickbow. Nearly without fail, the hunter would be some overly-opinionated individual who couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. If that's what another traditional bowhunting show would involve, I'll take a pass.
This guy is a trad archer
http://www.ultimateoutdoorstv.com/outdoors.php?page=listings
and you can watch his shows here
http://www.myoutdoortv.com/shows/ultimate-outdoors-with-eddie-brochin
I agree with the fact that we don't have enough to sell.
But, I think that done "in good taste" it would be more acceptable to mainstream folks...
Fat chance for a show like that though... but hey, just in case, I'm available, LOL!
I know the answer...lol
God bless,Mudd
The best "hunting show" is the one starring you and your favorite bow in your favorite spot to hunt. There is nothing that can replace it. Trust me when you're older what will you want to daydream about and fondly remember? Some guy hawking more stuff on TV or You and your friends woodland exploits?!
I would not care for the glitter and bright lights of show biz. I prefer the low key, somewhat introverted approach to hunting that many trad guys have. Leave the spotlight to somebody else. Commercially, you guys are right when you say there is just not enough money in it to interest most large companies.
Personally I don't see a need for it. Most of these TV hunts are just advertising campaigns. I like the fact that we try and remain pure to our sport.
Lets start one!!! Who needs TV. We can submit hunts and produce videos to sell online. Everyone can video their kills and we can compile them all. All we need is someone to put it all together for us.
Forget the sponsors getting air time. Ads only. Buyers of our video don't want to see that anyway. How to pay for it? It will cost the hunt submitter $50 per hunt submission (or whatever it is). Nothing but hunting. It would go from hunt to hunt.
Most, if not all, of those bow hunting shows are just advertising events with a little close up footage of game and a lot of fist pumping, chest pounding and high-fiving thrown in to celebrate the products that are being endorsed. I wouldn't be at all surprised either if those "hunts" are filmed on game ranches or in areas that are cultivated solely for the purpose of the advertising.
That silliness is ok if you like that kind of thing but I don't hunt or act like that. I pass.
A trad hunting show plays in my dreams and daydreams every day this close to the season. I'm a star and no commercials.
I wouldn't watch another hunting show on TV if it was free.....
I'm subscribed to a youtube channel that has a lot of very entertaining traditional bowhunts.
Leatherwoodoutdoors
I especially like their deer drive hunts...couple of 3-5yd kill shots on the ground...good stuff. They have a few wheelie hunts in there as well but I think they're all moving to trad gear. They're getting much better in their production quality as well...good kill shots with solid impacts. I like watching them because they're more in my age group (mid 20's) but are very mature. I like the way they handle themselves on film.
QuoteOriginally posted by KentuckyTJ:
Lets start one!!! Who needs TV. We can submit hunts and produce videos to sell online. Everyone can video their kills and we can compile them all. All we need is someone to put it all together for us.
Forget the sponsors getting air time. Ads only. Buyers of our video don't want to see that anyway. How to pay for it? It will cost the hunt submitter $50 per hunt submission (or whatever it is). Nothing but hunting. It would go from hunt to hunt.
I am not to good at self videoing but it woudl be cool.
I think Terry, Denny, Ron and the rest of the original TradGang should make one. I think they make this sport look as fun and exciting as any other outdoors activity.
I wouldn't mind seeing The Bowhunters of Tradgang become a dvd series.
Out of 36,000+ people, there's gotta be some decent footage.
Years ago, C&W singer, Gary Morris had a hunting show, frequently using selfbows made by a friend of his named Brad Smith, if memory serves. It was really a great traditional value show, but, like so many other great shows, it was cancelled.
It is true it cost a ton of money for a show. I liked Tred even though he was over the top, he would show him missing and not always going after a "world record", more of hunting as it is. Mr. Ferguson had I though a great show years ago, where he would show how to do things like arrows, bow making etc.. I thought it was great but cancelled. The only way I can see a traditional show making it on the "big" channels, is to have something like america's funniest video's, where a host introduce's a few video clips of the week. I think Mr. Langer does a great job too, but I think Telvision land just wants too much money, and there isn't enough sponsors to keep it alive. I think Tradgang TV would rule!!! A channel where it would encompass, tradtional, 3d, hunting, building, survival, history, lessons. Just remember, even if we all came up with the money the network, director, writer, producer will have there say and muck it up. Go hunt, shoot or fish, video it. Then come home and do all the editing, then dub and add music and look how much time and money it took, it isn't cheap or easy.
I am going to make something online, for us trad bowhunters.
Actually saw a recurve hunter in a Primos Truth vid hunting elk. He passed on a MONSTER Bull Elk at 37 yards I think it was.
I saw that one I think....apparently the bull was 15 yards from him in brush and he could not see it for a clear shot even though the camera man could from his angle.... he had one an annual hunt drawing if not mistaken...was a good show.
hunting shows are only popular if they show LOTS of kills ?
Getting kills on film is tenfold more difficult with trad tools .
QuoteOriginally posted by Rick Perry:
hunting shows are only popular if they show LOTS of kills ?
Getting kills on film is tenfold more difficult with trad tools .
I think that our community has a deeper appreciation for the journey, as well as the destination.
I know that I truly enjoy seeing a guy with trad gear sharing all aspects of the hunting experience. I think there are others who feel the same way.
I built a place for us on line, it will be all trad videos 24/7/365.
I built a place for us on line, it will be all trad videos 24/7/365. [/QB][/QUOTE]
great!...where?...how do we get there?
can we post videos on it?
this might be pretty dang cool! :thumbsup:
Thats awesome Kirk!
where?
I had proposed on another site that we have more than enough talent and video footage if we could get a couple sponsors and support from bowyers and some industry leaders and clubs.....and start with just one of our better known personalities talking about traditional bowhunting (self, long, and recurve)...and then introducing a video to show.
Between Wensels, Mittens, Stony Wolf, Cascade, Black Widow, 3Rivers, etc we have enough to do a couple years...... They could also include a youth segment or one that talks about ethics, challenge of the hunt, honoring our prey, seeing how CLOSE you can get rather than how far away you can take a shot....building your own gear (strings, arrows, bows) sharpening broadheads...have a history segment with a 60 sec spot on a historical figure or info from TBB or North American Indian bows and arrows or Sand County Almanac, etc.
Anyhow...other than getting the funding and a slot on DISH....getting permission from the video owners to allow their DVDs to be shown once per season at most. Think of exposing current and future traditionalist to the DVDs of Fred Bear, Paul Brunners Archery Elk:Dream Hunt, or Bowhunting October Whitetails with Wensels, or Primal Dreams, or Up Close and Personal, or Mike Lapinksi, Denny Sturgis, Bob Swineheart, Monty Browning, E.D. Thomas(no that is no erectile dysfunction LOL), Fred Anderson, John Strunk, Mike Mitten, Paul Brunner, Ron LaClair, Dean Torges, Tom Parsons, G. Fred Asbell and a host of our more experienced members from PBS, Comptons, etc...
I see a couple shows that cant be more than home grown setups in a garage that are on television...so getting someone to give you a chance has to be the hardest part. Maybe Fred Eichler would help get things rolling...who knows.
Wishful thinking on my part but we could definitely have something with all the footage we have at our disposal with just a few producers in agreement.
It's the difficulty level. I asked my buddies who film hunts "wiredarrow outdoors" why they don't just make the switch to trade. Seeing the success of Wild Traditions and Letting Loose, I figured they could actually get some capital doing a trad video.
"It's hard enough to get kills with compounds". That's who they sum it up...and it's hard to argue with that logic.
We can do it ourselves, I have already taken action to facilitate this endeavor. If anyone is interested just email me. dakotabowinwv@gmail.com
Dave you know I want in on this If I can help in any way let me know Thanks Mike
It's coming back, it always does. I see the look in people's faces when I show them any little trad video I've done. Heck, I shot a fox with my GoPro on the other day and the guys at work loved it. Wouldn't have believed it unless I showed them.
Eventually, whether other hunters admit it or not, they want to watch someone else do it better. There lies the niche.
Here is a video a friend and I put together of a recent hunt.
http://youtu.be/BXlLwwKulqg
Like others have said before I think the biggest problem with getting a show on network TV is overcoming the cost.
There are more and more people converting to traditional archery everyday, if that trend continues it's only a matter of time.
One of the best shows I have seen has a guy (not the star but, a camera man I think) build a self bow, river cane arrows and go to Mexico and shoot a nice whitetail buck at about 7 yards from the ground. No fist bump or you gotta buy these socks to do it. I would like to see that again but, I can't remember the name of it.
I think a "trad show" would make it. It's a nich that hasn't been filled. I think a great sell is from the extreme point of view. This is extreem adventure! This is extreme hunting! Not over the top fist pumping but, this is difficult high adventure.