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Title: Help with woodies
Post by: peroneus on August 20, 2012, 01:06:00 AM
Hello,
I am going to start using wood arrows for the first time and need some input.
I ll order Surewood shafts test packs (4 different spine weights) but not sure at which spine (lowest one) should i start. I am shooting Tomahawk longbow 50# at 28, pull 28 inch and my arrow will be cut at 29 inch with 220 broadhead weight. Thanks,
Petar.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: Gator1 on August 20, 2012, 07:13:00 AM
I think you are on the right right, with that many different spines, you should find the right one. I'd guess with the 220 Grain point, youll have to be up in the 70-75 lb Spine range.

There are more knowledgeable folks on here than I however...
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: Bud B. on August 20, 2012, 07:41:00 AM
If I had your situation I'd start at 55-60 and see what happens.

Are you cutting your test arrows to 29"bop? Don't bare shaft a broadhead. If you have some 190gr glue on field points then shoot your test shafts with them and get them to show slightly stiff and then try the 220gr BH. If your setup shows weak with the BH then build out the side plate.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: Bud B. on August 20, 2012, 07:43:00 AM
To add... the closer the Tomahawk is to center-cut the higher I'd go in initial spine.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: snag on August 20, 2012, 10:48:00 AM
If you have a 3 piece Tomahawk it has a shelf that is cut 1/8" past center. If you have the Hunter it is cut to +1/16". This does make a difference. Which model do you have?
 David
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: peroneus on August 20, 2012, 11:31:00 AM
I have diamond hunter which is cut +1/16".
I do know how to do bareshaft test, just wasn`t sure which spine range to order at start.
Thankes for advices
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: PERUN on August 20, 2012, 11:35:00 AM
For a start I will teach you how to shoot     :archer2:    
And then later you maybe    :dunno:   help with these wooden arrows
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: darin putman on August 20, 2012, 04:07:00 PM
I'm no expert but I like to have my bow set as close as I can before I bareshaft my woodies and surewood is what I shoot, great product very durable almost no straightening involved.I have just found that if I use an aluminum arrow to set nocks thats one less thing I have to worry about wood tends to break on me if shot into target and they hit at a great angle, douglas fir and POC both would snap.Almost made me turn back, then I realized my aluminum shafts bend when bareshafting them also. I go as far as to have a 2018 bareshaft with a 175  grain head cut to 30" on hand when checking bareshaft  tuning, it bareshaft straight I know my surewoods at 60 -65 spine 30 to bop 125 grain up front will check fine also but I still check them, I had a rough time when I first went to woodies bareshafting but thanks to folks on this site and a lot of trial and error surewoods are my shaft of choice.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: Sticks2117 on August 20, 2012, 06:33:00 PM
I shoot 53# at 27.5", with 160 grain head I use 60-65 spine. I'm thinking with your 1.5" longer and the 40 grains heavier head, I would start somewhere around 60 spine at my lowest and go up from there. I think you'll end up around 70-75 somewhere around 29" but not exactly.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: macbow on August 20, 2012, 06:49:00 PM
I have the same bow with one inchmshorter draw. Mine,liked 55 to 60. With a inch longer draw and heavy broadhead I'd start at,60 to 65 .
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: gringol on August 20, 2012, 08:32:00 PM
I like to pick a point weight and an arrow length, then get a test pack and set those up to length and with the points I've chosen.  Then I go to work to find the right shaft.  I think you'll find that Gator1 is right and you'll need a pretty heavy spine.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: snag on August 20, 2012, 09:52:00 PM
I think you're right Gator1. The 70/75's ought to be good for that much tip weight.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: AWPForester on August 20, 2012, 10:35:00 PM
If you are 1/16th plus on riser cut the 70-75 will work with the 220 head more than likely but I think you need to start your spine pack 60-65.  I would opt for the 4 different spines with 3 arrows apiece.  60-64, 65-69, 70-74, 75-80 are the ticket.

It will also depend on your string material to0.  If it is ff, start there, if B50, drop 5 to start.

+5-10 for arrow lenght depending on string material, + 5 for ff string, + 10 for heavy point.  You are in that 70-74 pound range.  God Bless
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: Zradix on August 21, 2012, 04:39:00 PM
QuoteOriginally posted by snag:
I think you're right Gator1. The 70/75's ought to be good for that much tip weight.
X2...I'll bet the lower side though...
I'd dare say if you ordered 70/75's full length you'll end up leaving most of them a bit longer than you stated you wanted....
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: peroneus on August 22, 2012, 12:29:00 AM
Thankes guys. I just ordered test package -  4 different spine weight with 3 arrow each. I started from 60-65. Going to have some fun making my first woodies.
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: Bud B. on August 22, 2012, 08:37:00 AM
Let us know how it goes  :)
Title: Re: Help with woodies
Post by: PERUN on August 22, 2012, 12:02:00 PM
Some are fun and some hunt