Well,
I am always telling people that deer do not mind human urine at all. In fact I urinate right off of my stand during the season and have had several deer lick the actually urine underneath me. I think somehow our kidneys filter it and it is just urine, not human urine to them.
Anyhow, I know a lot of people make mock scrapes, and now is a good time to start making them as deer utilize them year round.
This study found the following: (Excerpt from the article.)
"Now before I go any further, how many of you carry a bottle with you to your deer stands and I don't mean a whiskey bottle either. I mean an empty bottle to use because you feel the smell of human urine might scare deer away form the area. Well, human urine was one of our treatments in the second study. Because the first study showed better success combining scrapes with scents, I dispensed with using scents alone.
Treatments for this study included mock scrapes with rutting buck scent, mock scrapes with estrous doe scent, and mock scrapes with human urine. Interestingly, I photographed just as many bucks on mock scrapes with human urine as I did on mock scrapes with store bought deer urine. Also, the age and antler quality of bucks was no different between the scents.
There was no indication at all that human urine in the scrapes scared anything away. So much for that old wive's tale, huh? We are currently researching other scents to determine their attractiveness to deer. In the meantime, I still contend commercial deer scents are not arousing the animals and luring them from unknown places. I believe it is more of a curiosity behavior of the animals investigating andy strange and non-threatening smell that occurs in their environment. While deer scents may not work in the way we want to believe, they can attract animals that come within range of the scent."
The rest of this article can be found at:
http://www2.huntinglease.com/f/Article/ladArticletArticlec0/5
If you are interested.
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Thanks for posting this. I have long been a supporter of 'pee where and when you want' but sometimes I have had to do otherwise just to keep the peace.
i do too, unless a deer seen you pee and walked directly over and smelled it to associate it with a human would they know that it was human urine. id be more concerned of the scent i left behind from my boots than the urine.
I don't think it bothers them either..may start peein on my boots before I go in.
I have had deer show up right after relieving my self like anyone else but I have done some experimenting and w/o a doubt have determined deer do smell human urine and will leave the area when they smell it. Briefly, I have on several occasions poured a bottle of fresh urine out with large groups (10-20) of deer 150-200 yards away with an ever so slight breeze to carry the scent of the urine to them. Once I poured the urine out there was a 15-20 second delay and all the deer happily feeding w/o a care in the world would all look up in my general direction very concerned and w/I seconds would all leave the area in a quick orderly fashion (no flagging of the tail or snorting). So don't kid yourself if you think deer don't mind the smell of human urine. Deer have great noses but sometimes they screw up. I have 2 top bird dogs and sometimes they walk right by a bird and never pick up on the scent. so just because you just peed at the bottom of you blind and shot your trophy minutes later doesn't mean deer like human pee. It means you didn't get caught.
One beauty of using urine that hasn't been mentioned yet is that you have a constant, year round supply of it - a high quality, nitrogen-with-trace elements. Store bought diluted deer products and more so the concentrated ones, are very expensive and have a shelf life. But your urine you can count on getting pretty much effortlessly every day of the year. Doesn't matter whether you live in the city or in the country either. If you are taking medication, however, that is passed through also, therefore, that might have a different taste or smell that might be offensive to the wildlife?
I have tested my own also in similar fashion as mention before and had deer smell and even scape on top their own (or freshen-up my mock scape).
JL :archer2:
I use to try to hold it until I was away from my stand and then one day I thought to myself, "Hey, I'm out here to enjoy it and I can't enjoy it with a full bladder." Unzipped and let 'er rip and don't think twice about it now. My only thought now is please don't let a buck come by while I'm in a compromised position.
QuoteOriginally posted by Brazos:
Briefly, I have on several occasions poured a bottle of fresh urine out with large groups (10-20) of deer 150-200 yards away with an ever so slight breeze to carry the scent of the urine to them. Once I poured the urine out there was a 15-20 second delay and all the deer happily feeding w/o a care in the world would all look up in my general direction very concerned and w/I seconds would all leave the area in a quick orderly fashion (no flagging of the tail or snorting). So don't kid yourself if you think deer don't mind the smell of human urine.
I respect your observation. However, it may be an incorrect perception. You stated that you poured urine out 150 yards away from a group of deer with the wind BLOWING TOWARD THE DEER to carry the scent.
Your observation is that it is the smell of the URINE that scared the deer.
I would perceive that it was the smell of YOU downwind of an entire herd of deer that got you busted.
I would be more inclined to trust the observations of a study where only the human urine vs. synthetic/deer urine was used vs. having a human variable present, such as in your case.
I won't disagree that standing 150 yards away from a herd of deer with wind blowing toward them is going to scare them away.
Try it with a cup of water next time and see what happens...
Just a thought... :)
I have peed in active scrapes before and covered with leaves and EVERY time the scrapes were cleaned out and refreshened.....did it spook those bucks ??????? :dunno:
QuoteOriginally posted by Hoyt:
I don't think it bothers them either..may start peein on my boots before I go in.
I was thinking, now I have an excuse to pee on my hunting buddy's boot. :bigsmyl:
I've been on te fence about it for years but last year set it in stone that they don't mind it.
Ive been playing with scrapes and human urin for the last 3 years and find better success with me peeing in it than the bottled stuff.
I shot a 150" 8pt last year on an active scrape I peed in several times including the knight before. He came in killing the area to refreshen it and tore the area up. I'm a believer and will no longer use a pee bottle.
I read a study where all urin will smell the same not long after excreted from the body due to the neutralizing of bacteria meaning they begin to smell identicle on a molecular level to deer.
I wonder how they would react to cougar or wolf urine? I still say human urine MAY be useful but a lot depends on diet, medication, and health.I will continue to make my lures from combinations of scents, with DEER urine being the base for those scents.
I don't believe it bothers them at all. You want some action, have your favorite female pee in a jar that time of the month. That makes a difference.
DoubleB20.....I like your way of thinkin', :bigsmyl:
I truly don't have the time or energy to explain all my human urine experiments in detail. It one of those things you would have to have been there as to try to type my different observations in detail would be hours of typing. Quite honestly I know how these types of threads ultimately turn out where everyone believes they are right and the other guy is a fool. Personally I don't care as I don't hunt with any of you. If you want to pee on yourself, blind, scrapes it really makes me no difference.
Pee is pee, whether it's coon, human, or Sasquatch. I don't think that deer can tell the difference
Have made mock scrapes with human urine (mine) for years and they have been "hit". Last two deer I have killed have walked right thru where I had just deposited my morning coffee.
As far as I know, if it's healthy, it's all sterile.
i had a buck walkin on me a few years ago directly down wind of me while i was peeing out of the tree, i was more concerned with the sound of it hitting the leaves than i was with sent,
i also peed in a scrape and climbed up a tree, 20 minutes later 2 bucks came in and worked the scrape like nothing was any different..
human urine contains no pheramones, so its just pee! your body odor is the offender!!
I know human urine works in mock scrapes, i tried it for the first time last year. My mock scrapes were reworked every time i checked them and i have trail cam pics to prove that.I killed my biggest buck yet the fist season i tried it and i watched him rework two of my scrapes before i shot him.I already have my mock scrapes open and can't wait to see what this season will bring. Human urine works!!! :thumbsup:
I'm headed to the nursing home and collect all the Depends I can! Watch out Pope and Young! :D
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
I'm headed to the nursing home and collect all the Depends I can! Watch out Pope and Young! :D
:biglaugh:
Just hang them from trees like scent wicks.
Owlbait, not a bad idea. Hang a rag soaked with human urine from a tree limb over a mock scrape and let the wind carry the scent.I'm gonna try that and see what happens.
That "mature" scent from the "home" should bring in bigger bucks, eh?
I never thought about the female better half cooperating on this one?
Aye! JoeKeith, is this your idea of getting women into the sport of hunting? :biglaugh:
Just kidding...no harm was intended!!! Its just this post really made me laugh!
JL :archer2:
I pee on coyote scratches and they get rehit. Have one right now Im after that scratches over my tracks.They don't care where it came from its just another trespasser. We make animals way smater than they are. And my sucses with deer proves they are way smarter than me. :banghead:
I have been peeing for ever off stands and in scrapes as well and they tear things up. I peed on does and they just watched me and turned and licked it so yes its an old wives tail been saying for years myself.
I actually think my pee is a big time attractant because of the sugar in my urine spilling over.
Also same with blood I found I cut myself and was leaking all down the tree and the does walked right in and licked the tree and looked up they didn't see me I didn't move.
What the deer supposidly can tell is the fat content I have read thats how they deterime dominance I also read. That would mean I must me the dominent Buck because again I have to have a lot of fat content also.
I won't dump unless I have to get out of the tree or blind and go away from where I am positioned.
QuoteOriginally posted by joekeith:
I don't believe it bothers them at all. You want some action, have your favorite female pee in a jar that time of the month. That makes a difference.
:bigsmyl:
That will definitely attract more bears and cougars. :thumbsup:
Keith some practices could be detrimental to marriages...lol
I know someone(un-named) who used to get his wife to freeze her used feminine products then just as the rut was beginning to start would thaw then hang them about deer nose level.
That seemed to draw curious critters of several kinds including deer.
I know for a fact that the man was threatened by the wife about what would happen if he ever "let the cat" that she had anything to do with said feminine goods....lol
I sometimes marvel at the lengths some hunters will go to.....in the name of research and for a successful hunt...lol
God bless,Mudd
PS: If asked "any" questions about this, I will flash my divorce papers and plead the 5th...lol
God bless,Mudd
Keith, my own experiments in that vein yielded no positive results. But again, that might be an old wife's tale. :saywhat:
There is no blood associated with cervid estrous urine.
Killdeer
QuoteOriginally posted by USN_Sam1385:
QuoteOriginally posted by Brazos:
Briefly, I have on several occasions poured a bottle of fresh urine out with large groups (10-20) of deer 150-200 yards away with an ever so slight breeze to carry the scent of the urine to them. Once I poured the urine out there was a 15-20 second delay and all the deer happily feeding w/o a care in the world would all look up in my general direction very concerned and w/I seconds would all leave the area in a quick orderly fashion (no flagging of the tail or snorting). So don't kid yourself if you think deer don't mind the smell of human urine.
I respect your observation. However, it may be an incorrect perception. You stated that you poured urine out 150 yards away from a group of deer with the wind BLOWING TOWARD THE DEER to carry the scent.
Your observation is that it is the smell of the URINE that scared the deer.
I would perceive that it was the smell of YOU downwind of an entire herd of deer that got you busted.
I would be more inclined to trust the observations of a study where only the human urine vs. synthetic/deer urine was used vs. having a human variable present, such as in your case.
I won't disagree that standing 150 yards away from a herd of deer with wind blowing toward them is going to scare them away.
Try it with a cup of water next time and see what happens...
Just a thought... :) [/b]
I was thinking the same thing. If the deer can smell the pee because the wind in blowing toward them. They can smell you standing there pouring the urine with the wind blowing your scent toward them at the same time.
God bless,
Charlie
X2 what USN Sam1385 said.
Kris
X3, as USN_Sam1385 said, try the same with a glass of water for a control.
For the life of me I can't understand why anyone advocates depositing such a strong human scent in a scrape or area where one hopes to find a deer. We work so hard to put stands in the proper places and to leave as little odor as possible in order to defeat the deer's first line of defense (his nose) and then to contradict all this effort by deliberately urinating in the very area where you want the deer to appear for a shot---makes no sense to me at all.
I take a plastic jug which I painted in camo fashion about three or 4 years ago now---weighs maybe a couple of ounces or so, and is absolutely no trouble to tote along. I have never seen a big buck do anything even remotely foolish like rushing up in reponse to human scents of any kind so I try not to leave any behind. However, do what makes you happy and good luck to you.
PENN STATE did a research study about 10 years ago and found deer could NOT tell the differences between urine species. Numerous types of urine from several species, predators included, AND HUMAN were used. The deer recognized them as urine ( how the hell they did that i'm not sure ) but could not tell the difference !
LOL, well I will certainly not claim to be an expert on the subject. I actually killed a nice 7 point white tail one time while I was peeing. The buck walked within 15 yards of me while I was in mid stream. Managed to get the flow shut down and then did not bother trying to put things away before shooting the deer. I dont think it bothers them at all.
Ha!
I think you bothered that buck a little!
Killdeer
I often pee down my legs while on the stand.
This way no other hunters take my spot:)
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
I wonder how they would react to cougar or wolf urine? I still say human urine MAY be useful but a lot depends on diet, medication, and health.I will continue to make my lures from combinations of scents, with DEER urine being the base for those scents.
I dont know about wolof urine but I once watched a coyote take a pee and within 15 minutes a doe came along stuck her nose in the coyote pee and then began trailing the coyote . It sure wasnt alarmed !
That was about 30 years ago and I have been experimenting with human urine ever since . I dont believe a deer knows the difference between any urine . To a deer urine is urine .
BTW ............ I also dont believe all the urine sold as deer urine is really deer urine .
Wonder what the people who read this stuff 1000 years from now will think about us
I tried to get a small spike away from the bottom of my tree by unzipping and letting go on top of his pointy little head, he jumped back about 10 ft on impact then stood and watched were the stream was hitting the leaves. He was on alert for about 5 mins then went back to feeding ......right under my tree.......... I've been doing the mock scrape thing for about ten years and it seems to work for me..........
QuoteOriginally posted by bama:
Wonder what the people who read this stuff 1000 years from now will think about us
That it has Shakesperean overtones - "To pee or not to pee." :dunno:
I've pee'd in MANY mock scrapes and attracted deer.
Seems to work best after drinking a ton of coffee???? :readit:
A few years ago my daughter was hunting with me near a swamp. She needed to water the tree's so I turned my back and let her do her thing.
Next thing we know, this 10pt buck comes FLYING out of the cattails and towards her! I literally had to jump between the buck and her and yell to chase him away. TRUE STORY!! :eek:
Needless to say, she won't tinkle in the woods now without back-up. :bigsmyl:
When i pee in the woods, i worry more about the sound of splatter than the smell of it.
Yep that dribble,dribble, stream,pause dribble, stream, dribble dribble,pause, drip puts them on alert that a MATURE hunter is nearby! :bigsmyl:
QuoteOriginally posted by Bjorn:
Thanks for posting this. I have long been a supporter of 'pee where and when you want' but sometimes I have had to do otherwise just to keep the peace.
I am like Bjorn.
Sometimes I pee; sometimes I keep the Peace :biglaugh:
I have hunted as a guest with people that go way to far to hide their waste.
If someone has been spending $25 a pop on a synthetic liquid that works no better than their own urine, it might make them feel a bit duped.
They are inclined to consider the free option careless in order to justify the depleted funds.
But who knows... All I can go off of is what I have observed. I have spooked a many deer.
It was always from either my scent or movement. And most of the time MOVEMENT. Amazing how often deer show up when you fall asleep and sit completely still
A full bladder makes a man rather squirmy. ;)
This horse has had more lives than a cat and keeps rising from its ashes like the Phoenix. To each his(her) own, tote what you like, but this notion was dispelled years ago. I'm "old school" enough that I was a slow convert, but I haven't carried a jug for along time and I've killed deer standing directly below me in my wet leaves. I've also seen them come unglued from the same place, but never when the time of day had the thermals in my favor! I would not debate that there may be things you eat that make your urine smell funky. (asparagus comes to mind) I like to "camoflage" mine with hint of leftover Budweiser to trick them into thinking I'm an "easy mark"! LOL
I.P. Freely
I used to take a camo thermos of coffee out to my stick blind every morning, I use to have a cleared spot so I would not crunch leafs and stick to go head the call that was about six feet from my blind. From that I have learned two things, 1. Always take your bow with you to go pee and 2.It is real tough to shoot a deer that is coming straight at you.
This is awesome, I've sat in my climber wishing I hadn't forgotten my pee bottle more than once! I'm just going to let it rip in October! Nothing quite so satisfying as peeing from height, sorry ladies!
I have a buddy who's a biologist and a avid bowhunter and he gave me the technical explaination once - but in short - he's goes right from his stand. Something about when the oxygen hits the urine, it's all good.
He did say its worse to go in a bottle then when you open it - he said you can smell the difference.....
So I'm in the I go where I got to go club. And I also go in scrapes.
QuoteOriginally posted by Downwind Lefty:
I have a buddy who's a biologist and a avid bowhunter and he gave me the technical explaination once - but in short - he's goes right from his stand. Something about when the oxygen hits the urine, it's all good.
He did say its worse to go in a bottle then when you open it - he said you can smell the difference.....
So I'm in the I go where I got to go club. And I also go in scrapes.
Never knew that it changed scent in bottle. Might explain the previous members observation when he poured urine out of bottle.
years ago the host of a show called Michigan Outdoors filled a quart jar with his own pee and then poured it out in a field that deer were known to frequent. Not only wew they unafraid, several of them rolled in it like a dog. this was on film, not heresay. The bad part was he was sued by a deer scent company for some statments he made about them based on his observations. he lost.
Yep, Fred Trost (R.I.P.) sued by the scent company. Also did a test with straight ammonia. Guess we all have to make our own call on when or how to answer nature's call.
QuoteOriginally posted by owlbait:
Yep that dribble,dribble, stream,pause dribble, stream, dribble dribble,pause, drip puts them on alert that a MATURE hunter is nearby! :bigsmyl:
And here I thought it was the smell of asparagus this whole time!