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when you do a 3d course whats your average score

man you 240+ people are amazing or your shoots are easier then mine lol

The only 3D course where I shoot for score is a 40 shot course...

Eric,

This poll is meaningless.  It's rare for any two courses to be scored the same.  I've seen the heart area scored 8, 10, 20 or 30.  I've seen the lung area scored 5, 8, 10, 20 and the bodies from zero to 10.  All depends on the course.  Go to Cloverdale and there is only one score - 5 and everything else is a zero.

QuoteOriginally posted by Pete McMiller:
Eric,

This poll is meaningless.  It's rare for any two courses to be scored the same.  I've seen the heart area scored 8, 10, 20 or 30.  I've seen the lung area scored 5, 8, 10, 20 and the bodies from zero to 10.  All depends on the course.  Go to Cloverdale and there is only one score - 5 and everything else is a zero.

I think 5, 8, 10, 12 is pretty standard. I've shot in dozens of 3D shoots all over the south, and I don't think I've shot in one that WASN'T scored this way. Granted, that was compounds, and it's been a few years, but I can't imagine it's changed much. Obviously the level of difficulty can change from one shoot to the next, but he asked for an average.

3D courses are all different, the only scores that would mean anything are scores shot the same day on the same course.  If you want to compare your ability, shoot an indoor 300 or 600, an outdoor 900, or a field course.

I only score the number of laughs we have on a 3-D course. It's usually somewhere around 100!

In 20 years, I have never once kept score.  I always tell myself kill or miss.  Heart/lung area=kill, anything else is a miss.  So I put down a zero.

I agree with Mike, don't see the point of scoring,  kill or miss.

I have been doing this a long time......I know a few guys that can shoot 240+ a lot. I think think a few must be counting by some different method to get that many with that high of score.......lol!

After this week's 3-d shoot I finally realize that I need to start shooting 3-d targets instead of dots!  We don't score the 12 ring when we shoot, 10,8,5 or 0.

I keep score. Now, I don't compare one course with another, as there are a few I can shoot each month.

What I do compare is how well do I shoot compared to my two buddies. One is a good shot, the other is a Championship Level shooter and a avid Hunter, all over the world.

I simply keep score to see if I am catching up in my skills or falling behind. I don't ever beat them, but can I close the gap?

Keep in mind, this is all in fun. Not a competition. So, I am light hearted about the whole thing. But, keeping score, with my better archer buddies, gives me a bit of a bell weather on how rusty or clean my shooting is.

Best example of my thinking is: shoot a few rounds with Rod Jenkins or Rick Welch. Not gonna beat them, but can I be in the ball park with them on the first round and then close the distance in future rounds.

Matt

Been shooting 3D for over 17 years now.  After each shoot I jot down my score based on the 10-8-5 standard regardless of what the club used.

Then I figure my percentage.  Good way to track progress, or back sliding.

i have been shooting 3d all my life.  always score myseld as the standard 11-10-8-5 scoring system.  i am very competitive but also like to track my progress or degress.  i am very disappointed if i shoot under an average of 9pts per target but as a whole i average an honest 8.5 per target.  its great practice and with a goal of perfection (unrealistic though!)  most importantly, have fun during this journey.  being competitive doea not mean you don't enjoy yourself even on the bad days.

The poll results do not match up with what I have seen in the 3-D shoots I have been in. I suppose that could be because the better shooters are more likely to respond to the poll.
Or it may be that the type of shots are different. Either that or you folks are just a bunch better than all of the people I have shot with over the years. I have been to some bigger shoots like the Coon Rapids shoot in Minneapolis and I just have never seen any one shoot those type scores. I am sure that a few can do so but almost 20%? Like I said many reasons the poll could be that way. For those of you who shoot 240+ on a regular basis I would like to know what percentage of the targets you are shooting are further than 35 or 40 yards.

We have a trad only weekend shoot at the T.H.E. Club that has some novelty targets on the course that don't score the "standard" 12,10,8,5. Makes it more fun and enjoyable for the shooters.
Keeping score just gives you a reason to badger your buddies...  :D

I enjoy shooting 3D. I know that everyone is different and shoot for different reasons and expectations.
I do keep score and turn my card in at every shoot regardless of how poorly I score. I see many fellas that will turn in a good score card but throw a bad one away.
I don't use binos to check out the target but have no problem with those that do. I shoot for where I think the score is and as we all know that may or may not be the best shot on a real animal but this is not an animal, it's a target. If I can pick a spot and hit it, I'm a happy boy.
I see 3D as good practice for hunting even though I shoot for score. Like some of the above posters, I use it as a guage to see how I'm doing.

bohuntr,
I've only shot 3D in my home state but know that the courses, yardages and scoring vary even in my small area.
Our max for trad is 30 yards but some clubs will be pushing 40 from time to time. Most of the clubs I shoot at set 30 targets but some shoots are 28.
I've shot 11,10,8 and 5, 10,8s and 5 and 20 and 10. I've shot any body hit is a 5 and I've shot below the belly line is a 0. I don't think this poll will be that accurate because of these differences.

with a fast flight recurve and carbon arrows and shooting instinctively I'm averaging 200-225 on a 30 target course locally thats setup by compound shooters so my shots are all at least 20yds to 25yds average which are not my prefered shot distance  sometimes depending on the animal they used but oh well..  when I go to trad only shoots I find them to be easier even at 15yds...

even the harder stakes are easier or average to me and I'm hitting around 230 to 250 (on a good day of course)  trad only shoots I like to use a selfbow because the shots to me are more realistic with my selfbow with the selfbow you can easily take 40points off whatever I would of done with the recurve so 170 to 200 is a good day with the selfbow here locally mostly because I don't shoot them as much as I should.

I shot alot of 3-D competions all through the '90's up until about 2002. I shot in CT,NY,Mass,Penn and NH. Every one was scored 5,8,10. You can't compre scores unless they are from the same shoot.Never made sense to me when guys said "It's a kill or miss" It's a foam target and a game. You're trying to hit the ten ring.

Most folks who are new to shooting 3d want to know where they are shooting compared to the rest of folks.  When I used to care more about such things I took all the shoot scores from TBOF events and came up with mean, median and mode figures for people to look at and gauge their performance.  

What I discovered after three or four years is that there is a bottom 15% that enjoys looking for arrows in the woods.  These people are probably great at easter egg hunts.  There is another 10% above that that show promise of being average.  There is 50% in the middle that is where most recreational shooters fall.  The next 15% of shooters are usually pretty dedicated archers and/or serious hunter.  The top 10% win every time and are the reason why shooting for money payback has gone out of vogue.  

Something that I have never understood is that despite the fact that only the top 10-25% of shooters have any legitimate chance to win, show or place in a given event it is the middle 50% that is generally the most vocal about the shoot format.    :smileystooges:  

The best way to use shoot scores in a practical sense is as a gauge for improvement.  Right about now, a 3D round should be telling you what you need to do to get ready for hunting season.  For me, that means shooting a lot more than I have been from a variety of ranges and angles.

Forgive me as I know I have strayed from the topic...  :D

Bowhuntr:  My observations jibe with yours.  I think there may be a little  magic penciling, selective memory and or wishful thinking going on. I've been shooting trad shoots for a long time. Usually as many has half the shooters don't turn in a score.  Some because they're just not interested, and others because their scores are very low. Not more than 10% of those who do turn in their cards score much above 220.  There is an occasional score in the 230s-240s, but it's a rarity.  So, to have 40% indicate they shoot 220 or above.    :dunno:

Interesting takes on different scoring systems.

Texas Longbow Championships and Oklahoma Longbow Championships both use 5-2-0 scoring and you better be able to thread the arrow through some serious trash especially if the target is under 30 yards.

My traditional scores are about 70% of the available points. I've found that if your a senior shooter, in the 85%+ range, you have a chance to be in the money/awards, etc. My bud,"Ric O'Shay" on TG, will consistently score in the 85%+ range. I usually find myself helping him carry his awards to the truck after a shoot. Can't afford to have him hurt himself before hunting season. I just might need him to help drag out my deer or hog. Have fun and "Keep'Um Sharp".   :thumbsup:

With a selfbow and wood arrows, 25 target course; 210 on a really good day, 160 on a really bad day and 185-195 most of the time.

Then there are those days when I got "FOAM PHOBIA", well, don't want to talk about those scores.

I won't post my scores here but will say this. If I'm competing to win against certain individuals in competition form, I will draw and hold as long as needed to get off the winning shots. I will use my 3D bow (target weight) and often am in top three. Its a whole different beast than shooting for hunting practice, which we also do.
My hunting bows are a lot of fun too, we shoot closer and often move into brush off the stake to mimic a hunting blind. We dont hold over three seconds to mimic a moving animal. So the scores dont count anyway.
For me, sometimes 3D is all about the enjoyment of shooting the bow and hunting with friends. Other times its about a personal rivalry that I sometimes win and sometimes lose.

QuoteOriginally posted by gregg dudley:

What I discovered after three or four years is that there is a bottom 15% that enjoys looking for arrows in the woods.  These people are probably great at easter egg hunts.    :D  

Gregg, well you may as well called me out by name.....  :goldtooth:

Most of our 3d shoots are 15-25 yard shots.  Some score the 12 most do not. I always believe if you average an 8 per target on a 10/8/5 scoring system you are doing well. So for 28 targets I should at least break a 224. That is how I judge my shooting now.  When I started I just wanted to not loose/break an arrow then I moved on to trying to hit every target. As long as I make the goal I set for my self I am happy with my shooting no matter what the score is.

QuoteOriginally posted by Goshawkin:
Never made sense to me when guys said "It's a kill or miss" It's a foam target and a game. You're trying to hit the ten ring.

I practice for hunting situations.  Say a quartering away target is in front of you.  You shoot the "10 ring", you are either going to get an arrow bouncing off the front shoulder, or at best a single lung hit.  Slip one more towards the rear angling forward into the boiler room, you have a dead animal.  

 You say "game", I say practice for reality.  To each their own.

I quit shooting 3d a long time ago when people started scoring numbered rings set by manufacturers.
I've never shot anything other than a trad bow in 52 years of shooting. The numbered rings are for target shooters, and compound shooters that think there is nothing more important than hitting that 12 ring. Honestly I couldn't tell you where it is or even care. And on most targets I've seen it isn't even near the area for an ideal shot.

Started shooting 3d again after attending my first TBOF shoot. They have it right, 10 for a kill shot, 5 for a hit, and 0 for a miss. This is at least reflective of real hunting.
I attend the shoots but rarely turn score cards in. I only care to see how I do in the various shots which are laid out. Get much more enjoyment watching my grandsons smile when he just hits the target.
If I was to attend a shoot that scored other than kill, wound, or miss, guess I'd be asking to "Play Through". Have no intentions of waiting for folks to try and decide where the 12 ring is located. It doesn't really matter now does it?

I love 3D. I don't shoot them much anymore but I still try to go at least 2-3 times a year. I like to have fun shooting with my kids and/or buds but I still like to have a good score, although it's hard sometimes to do that with as much BS that goes on! Still though, I wouldn't have it any other way!

My goal is to average 8 points per target(scoring 10-8-5 format) which is a "lung" shot. I do okay on the deer size targets but the smaller targets(raccoon, beaver, bobcat, coyote, etc.) are what keep me from obtaining the 8 pt. per target average that I so desire. So, I generally average 7.5 pts. per target at the end of the day on most courses.

To answer your question, I voted my average score of 200-210, when shooting 28 targets.

QuoteOriginally posted by bawana bowman:
I quit shooting 3d a long time ago when people started scoring numbered rings set by manufacturers.
I've never shot anything other than a trad bow in 52 years of shooting. The numbered rings are for target shooters, and compound shooters that think there is nothing more important than hitting that 12 ring. Honestly I couldn't tell you where it is or even care. And on most targets I've seen it isn't even near the area for an ideal shot.
It doesn't really matter now does it?

Just curious as to why you even posted here since you don't really even seem to care about scoring 3D anyway. I thought this thread was about people's average 3D score instead of how little they care about scoring 3D.

And you say, "And on most targets I've seen it isn't even near the area for an ideal shot".

I would have to disagree with you on that. The general 10 ring is usually centered in the center of the lungs, a perfect aiming spot on just about every game animal I've ever seen. You put a sharp broadhead in there and you should have a short blood trail most every time. I know I have.

QuoteOriginally posted by Mike Vines:
 

QuoteOriginally posted by Goshawkin:
Never made sense to me when guys said "It's a kill or miss" It's a foam target and a game. You're trying to hit the ten ring.

I practice for hunting situations.  Say a quartering away target is in front of you.  You shoot the "10 ring", you are either going to get an arrow bouncing off the front shoulder, or at best a single lung hit.  Slip one more towards the rear angling forward into the boiler room, you have a dead animal.  

 You say "game", I say practice for reality.  To each their own. [/b]

Hi Mike,My post wasn't a dig at you,hope you didn't take it that way.I agree with practicing that way,I do the same. But to me the day of the shoot is a fun competition,you're shooting for the 10 ring.I'm not trying to angle a quartered shot into the heart,I'm trying to hit that little circle that just happens to be on a foam deer,bear,etc.If I do hit a little off I'm not going to have a wounded animal,just a 5 on my scorecard.Heck a couple of the shoots I was at had dinosaur targets,I won't be hunting them for real.
But like you said "To each their own" No hard feelings here.

No hard feelings at all.  I just thought this was a trad bowhunting website.  That is why I frequent it.  Since my days in the military, I practice for reality in everything I do.  

As one of my Drill Sergeants once mentioned, "You better love the practice, cause the game is all to short".  That saying has rung in my ears more than I can ever remember, and is so true on many different levels.

Mike, this IS a trad bowhunting website. It also says in the rules here that 3D archery is an acceptable subject for discussion.

I just don't understand why all the negativity concerning 3D archery.    :archer2:

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Originally posted by ishoot4thrills:
Mike, this IS a trad bowhunting website. It also says in the rules here that 3D archery is an acceptable subject for discussion.

I just don't understand why all the negativity concerning 3D archery.      :scared: