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Title: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: tippit on August 03, 2007, 09:55:00 AM
The caper is my every day knife whether goin' to the store or field.  It's small enough not to even notice it on your belt but capable of skinnin' & dressin' out a deer or bear.  Equally at home for cuttin' the cheese & crackers with a nice glass of wine   :goldtooth:  

Since the bear hunt knife trials, I know I don't need to fuss with changin' the design of the caper.  My Question now is:

Will it preform better as a hollow ground blade or a flat ground blade   :confused:    Only one way to find out...made up one of each with spalted oak courtesy of 4runr.  Top flat ground, bottom hollow ground...Doc

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/tippit/Knives/CaperHollowFlat003.jpg)

 (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/tippit/Knives/CaperHollowFlat007.jpg)
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: JC on August 03, 2007, 09:57:00 AM
OOOOOOOHHHHHH....the agony! Jeff....jest downright painful to look at knives that purdy.  :banghead:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: vermonster13 on August 03, 2007, 09:58:00 AM
You have my address Doc.    :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: robtattoo on August 03, 2007, 10:00:00 AM
Flat grind, for definate! Have you tried one with a Scandi grind?
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: 4runr on August 03, 2007, 10:01:00 AM
Emma, Connie and I like the hollow grind best. Adam's too busy playin this mornin to care!!
 :clapper:    :clapper:    :clapper:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Nakohe on August 03, 2007, 10:05:00 AM
Doc, I like the Flat grind. If you want a field test, send it to me and I'll test her on Caribou for ya.  :bigsmyl:    :biglaugh:  

Donald
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: BigRonHuntAlot on August 03, 2007, 10:07:00 AM
Beautiful Doc  :thumbsup:   Tough decision to make... LOL
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: tippit on August 03, 2007, 10:13:00 AM
Rob,  What is a Scandi grind  :confused:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Over&Under on August 03, 2007, 10:33:00 AM
What JC said - it HURTS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Jeremy on August 03, 2007, 10:39:00 AM
Kind of depends on how thinly the edge is ground prior to sharpening IMO.

If the edge is ground extremely thin (ie the sharpened bevel is actually just a barely visible micro bevel) the hollow ground edge will cut better, but not hold up as well to heavier use.  Great as a skinner, but for other chores... ?

If the edge is left thicker and the sharpened bevel is more pronounced (like in your knives above) there is little difference IMO.

For skinning and cutting up work, I doubt there'll be a difference in the two knives above.  Slicing cheese would be a different story  ;)
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: tippit on August 03, 2007, 11:43:00 AM
Jeremy,  
I have been playing around with how thin I can hollow grind and still keep a durable blade.  Here's a skinner that I finished ground before heat treating...oops got a little warping  :eek:  It still sharpened well just won't be able to sell it  ;)   It should be a great skinner that I don't have to make pretty...Doc

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v110/tippit/Knives/Skinner005.jpg)

PS:  Are you a Daddy yet?
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: robtattoo on August 03, 2007, 02:06:00 PM
Here's a Scandi ground blade (& a shameless plug!)

(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y110/robtattoo/PSK006.jpg)

It's basically a 20-25degree grind, running 1/4 to 1/3 of the way up the blade. Very durable, very easy to re-sharpen & makes for a very strong blade because you're leaving a lot more material on the back. It can be a bit of swine to get straight & looking right though, but that's just practice! If you can hollow grind (& by gum, you really can!) a scandi ought to be a breeze!
It's named for the Scandinavian style of working knife (Puukko) it originated from.
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: the Ferret on August 03, 2007, 03:26:00 PM
Dayum those are pretty Doc   :notworthy:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Stripstrike1 on August 03, 2007, 03:36:00 PM
How can I get one of those?
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: tippit on August 03, 2007, 04:18:00 PM
Stripstrike,  I guess you have to sign up for the 2nd Annual Quebec Bear Quest and shoot the biggest bear!  One will be in the pot...Doc
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: tippit on August 03, 2007, 04:21:00 PM
Rob,  What I've seen of those blades is they are pretty uniform steel...ie not forge tapered?
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Shakes.602 on August 03, 2007, 04:41:00 PM
All of those Have Beautiful Wood for Handles!  :saywhat:  Especially the 2 in the Start of the Thread!!
  WOW!!   :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: sticshooter on August 03, 2007, 08:26:00 PM
Flat looks great. But I like them both.<><
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: robtattoo on August 03, 2007, 08:54:00 PM
Jeff, no there's no distal taper to the blade. I forge & grind them flat before I do the edge grind. Although, saying that, I've made plenty with a forged taper & a scandi grind.
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: IB on August 03, 2007, 09:01:00 PM
:help:    :help:  

I wanna be Jeff's stable boy and Rob's ticket to FEEDOM  :goldtooth:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: d. ward on August 04, 2007, 08:36:00 AM
Outstanding work as always Doc.Both equil in beauty.I may have to hold off letting the arrow go until the last day next spring and try to win one of them beaut's.bd
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: DarkeGreen on August 04, 2007, 09:00:00 AM
With the right blade material and heat treat you're just not going to be able to beat a good hollow ground blade. To have one that looks like these...I thought you had to wait until you went to the happy hunting grounds.  :)

Very nice!
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: LeeNY on August 04, 2007, 10:19:00 AM
Doc,
Send them both to me! I'll do one of those scientific FDA type tests on both Knifes. You know those FDA trails on drugs are long and envolved so don't expect any results soon, these knife tests could take years!

BTW You do have my address don't you!!!!!!  :pray:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: sticshooter on August 04, 2007, 10:38:00 AM
Get in line IRON BULL!  :saywhat:    :biglaugh:  <><
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Ian johnson on August 04, 2007, 11:18:00 AM
I like the hollow ground blades, thinner is better, less resistance while skinning, I'll take the hollow ground one, do take orders?
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: Curveman on August 04, 2007, 12:38:00 PM
2nd Annual Quebec Bear Quest: I'M getting the biggest bear and a Tippit knife next year! The voices keep telling me so!    :biglaugh:
Title: Re: Caper---Hollow or Flat
Post by: tradtusker on August 04, 2007, 03:17:00 PM
outstanding blades there!